[TPR] Oil Analysis:
TeamPantera
TeamPantera at yahoo.com
Sat Aug 31 07:34:03 PDT 2013
Ok Grumpy, this may be a good time to rescue you and complete deprogramming. You been in California too long.
John Bentley <gndplne at yahoo.com> wrote:
>Well back in the 1800's we used to pump oil out of the... Then the Feds got involved, well, Nevermind. I have always run a radiator out of a 74 nova without power steering and one cup-holder and always averaged 150 or more. Wait, that was out the back of a C-130. What were we talking about?
>
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>On Aug 30, 2013, at 9:18 PM, TeamPantera <TeamPantera at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I dont know about the Forum postings because I havent read any of the experts posts for 3 years ;-)
>>
>> In 1997 I averaged 140 at the NORC with stock gears..and 6 months later with no changes I averaged 145 mph at SS. Oil temp at those speeds with stock gears was +/- 280-300+.....water 220+...maybe more ;-)
>> Power was a Mike Cook 377 little stroker...made about 400 Rwhp.
>>
>> The engine radiator I used was the Hall brass Phoenix..bittg succa but it worked great except I went through 3 of them...as they leaked....might have had ..For oil cooling I used the Fluidyne air to oil cooler that Hall sold which was mounted in right rear wheel well. Halls kit came with a louvered right rear splash shield and this setup worked great up to a 145 average. Bobby Byers said it was what they were using on Burgandy Express but of course the Burgundy express was a dedicated race car with a dry sump oiling.
>>
>> Even with taller gears in 2001 I found out that the basic fluidyne radiator most vendors sell which I added just would not push enough water and water temps...subsequently I went with the Ron Davis cup radiator and the fluidyne heat exchanger bread box and only thing holding that pantera up from going faster is me..and I am slowing down ao I can see 66 next year.
>>
>> Mike Anderson did allot of engine oil cooling testing adding a dedicated fan to his oil cooler...went to a larger cooler and even ducted air directly to oil cooler...and vented air back to cooler...he said NONE of those changes made any change to oil temps. Think he even used his plane for red neck wind tunnel testing.
>>
>> At Erik Belters suggestion one year after my 1st Fluidyne heat exchanger failed he plumbed in a cop cooler....it stopped working at anything above 125-130 mph.
>>
>> Now something I dont remember anyone trying (??) was installing the cooler in front of the radiator...maybe there it would push enough air over oil cooler to work assuming you didnt want to average more the 140 without adding either a taller 5th....
>>
>> Junior was convinced everything failed running sustained speeds above 6000 which would explain why he went to way tall on, 3:2 ring gear.
>>
>> Then again if you just buy a new Vette you dont have any of these challenges ;-))
>>
>>
>> David in Durango <adin at frontier.net> wrote:
>>
>>> All good things to know . . . .but I wish we'd have some oil temp data! It
>>> would be good to have good data rather than all the stories that get posted
>>> . . . .
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Asa Jay Laughton" <asajay at asajay.com>
>>> To: <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 8:46 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [TPR] Oil Analysis:
>>>
>>>
>>>> ... or two steps behind. I still don't have an oil temp gauge installed
>>>> and the roll cage is still out being powder coated. <sigh>
>>>>
>>>> On the bright side, the right rear splash shield is now properly
>>>> installed to the fender now that the bracket is once again welded in
>>>> it's proper place. New Decals have been applied to the fender and it
>>>> looks like it was never hit.
>>>>
>>>> I installed a VSS speed sensor to the ZF after some modification to the
>>>> speed sensor. I don't think I have a proper Pantera model ZF right
>>>> angle adapter on my car. That's a subject for a different email
>>>> though. Maybe I'll write that up later this weekend. :)
>>>>
>>>> Oh, and for those who hadn't noticed, it looks like the POCA server has
>>>> been hacked and serving up malware. It's been reported to Google
>>>> several times and they issued an advisory, so most browsers no longer
>>>> load the site. This probably also explains why the Mailman email forum
>>>> has been acting so stupid the past few days.
>>>>
>>>> No email from POCA, no POCA web site. And based on the Google report,
>>>> I'd advise you -not- to go there until it's fixed. I have no idea who
>>>> might be doing that by the way.
>>>> Asa Jay
>>>>
>>>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>>>> & Shelley Marie
>>>> Spokane, WA
>>>> ******************************
>>>> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>>>> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>>>> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/30/2013 7:38 PM, David in Durango wrote:
>>>>> Yeah, that's our boy! I quit making suggestions because Asa is always
>>>>> three steps ahead . . . . .
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: " Charles Engles" <cengles at cox.net>
>>>>> To: "'Asa Jay Laughton'" <asajay at asajay.com>; <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 8:32 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [TPR] Oil Analysis:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Asa,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmm, baseline sample. Then abuse the oil and retest. You
>>>>>> might gain the moniker of TPR Mad Scientist. Well done, Mr. Science!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: TPR [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Asa
>>>>>> Jay
>>>>>> Laughton
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 9:11 PM
>>>>>> To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>>>>>> Subject: [TPR] Oil Analysis: Virgin Sample of Amsoil 15W-50 Dominator
>>>>>> Racing
>>>>>> Oil
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For those who might be interested in how the oil I am using stacks up.
>>>>>> When I changed oil in the Pantera, I sent a sample of virgin oil
>>>>>> right out
>>>>>> of the bottle to the oil lab. Their analysis is attached. This
>>>>>> gives me
>>>>>> the baseline and any analysis after this will stack up against it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Asa Jay
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>>>>>> & Shelley Marie
>>>>>> Spokane, WA
>>>>>> ******************************
>>>>>> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>>>>>> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>>>>>> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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