[TPR] Tires for Asa's Cat

Teampantera teampantera at yahoo.com
Mon Jun 18 18:22:01 PDT 2012 

Of course Eric is right...always right...you did right asking him.

As VR rated 15" rubber got rare  we all started showing up with aftermarket 16 & 17 or 17 & 18 wheel/tire combinations....Elliot Kushner ran 19" all the way before he sold his group 5 flared pantera couple years ago.
And I think.Crazy Dan ran 20's on rear with 17 fronts and the tech debatesDan & Tech have had over what or who is 'right' are legendry.

Let us know what he says. Be your usual nice-guy self.

asajay at asajay.com wrote:

>I got a preliminary email back from Eric.  He asked if all the rims  
>were the same size, stating as he recalls... the wheels on a Pantera  
>aren't all the same size.  Egad I hope he's not going to have a  
>problem with the same size wheel on all four corners.  (I don't think  
>he should, but it's now worrying me).
>
>In the same email he asked what size tire I was intending to run.  I  
>told him the tires sizes I was aiming for (all in the same tire line)  
>so we'll see what he comes back with in the way of a yea or nay.
>
>As Bud points out, I have no intention of mixing tire lines even if  
>I'd like to run different widths front/rear.
>
>Asa Jay
>
>Quoting B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>:
>
>> From when I was hunting tires to please Eric:
>>  
>>  
>> So I have 225/50x15 Toyo Proxes 4 on front. The plan now is to go  
>> with 225/60x16 Toyo Proxes TPT on the rear, diameter of 26.6  --  9  
>> overall width ( to be mounted on 6 to 8 width wheel, optimum  
>> 6.5,--mine 8". If Eric doesn't like that my next chose is 245/50x16  
>> Toyo Proxes 4, diameter 25.6 --- 9.8 overall width ( same as front  
>> except size ) (to be mounted on 7 to 8.5 width wheel, optimum 7.5 --  
>> mine 8".
>>  
>> Eric said no to the Proxes 4 and Proxes TPT -- he wants same tire   
>> composition both front and rear. So I went with the 245/50x16 rear.
>>  
>> I don't see a problem with tire size difference on same with wheel   
>> ------- as long as the wheel width is recommended by tire   
>> manufacturer for tire used.
>>  
>> Bud #3400 ( looking forward to SORC )
>>  
>>  
>>
>> --- On Mon, 6/18/12, asajay at asajay.com <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: asajay at asajay.com <asajay at asajay.com>
>> Subject: Re: [TPR] Tires for Asa's Cat
>> To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>> Date: Monday, June 18, 2012, 1:20 PM
>>
>>
>> I sent an email to Eric yesterday and I'm waiting on a reply.
>>
>> If he's partial to Michelin Pilots, then maybe I'll go with the
>> Michelin Pilot Super Sport:
>> http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Pilot+Super+Sport&partnum=245YR7PSSXL&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes
>>
>> Next question, would it be a problem to run different size front/rear 
>> if the rims are the same width?
>>
>> I'm looking at 245/40/17 for the Front
>> and 245/45/17 for the Rear, just to get a little more height.  Even 
>> then it's nearly two inches shorter than stock.
>>
>> Asa Jay
>>
>> Quoting Steven Donegan <steve at donegan.org>:
>>
>>> Twere it me, and I actually owned a Pantera instead of a ricer, I  
>>> would change rims to something modern so tire choices would be  
>>> available. I think that is what Asa Jay is doing (smart move). For 
>>
>>> SSCC you just need to have tires with equal to or better than
>> stock 
>>> in load and speed rating - if you can make the mustang rims work  
>>> then go for Y rated and a load factor better than stock and you're 
>>
>>> good.
>>>
>>> My 370Z has ~8000 miles on it, I may replace the tires before the  
>>> next race for safety reasons, Michelin Pilot series is what Eric  
>>> recommended and what I will buy. And hey - that means I can turn
>> off 
>>> the traction control and burn the bridgestones :-) (the car has
>> been 
>>> slightly modified and has ~450 HP - not bad for an NA 6) :-)
>>>
>>>  
>>> ____________
>>> Steven Donegan
>>> SSCC/NORC Life Member, Car #86
>>> www.sscc.us
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>   From: John Bentley <gndplne at yahoo.com>
>>> To: Teampantera <teampantera at yahoo.com>; Steven Donegan  
>>> <steve at donegan.org>; Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>; "  
>>> tpr at teampanteraracing.com" <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 10:14 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [TPR] Tires for Asa's Cat
>>>
>>>
>>> you got that right.  I see sooo many Pantera owners that won't
>> think twice about cruising down a 2-lane country road with a latte in
>> one hand while talking on the phone and driving at 100 MPH, but they
>> think running an ORR at 95 is just too risky.  Crazy mofo's.  There is
>> no getting around the fact that ORR's are dangerous, but so is
>> spinning off the road into the weeds while screwing around.  There
>> have been more than one "listers" in the last 10 years do just
>> that......makes me chuckle a bit. :).  If you approach ORR's with a
>> healthy helping of caution, it is a lot of fun!  You just have to get
>> out there and actually find out what your can and cannot do.  Get the
>> best safety stuff you can afford and go out and practice on a track.
>>>
>>>
>>> The Michelin Pilot MXX3's were the best ORR tire, but they are not
>> made any more.  I have some Dunlops on my car now, but I don't think
>> there are any available ORR tires made in both 335/35/17's and
>> 245/45/16's that fit my campy clones.  I'll have to buy new wheels
>> when these wear out or get too old.  Probably have to go with those
>> giant tractor tires like the DaWg next go round.  Those are from John
>> Deere, right?  Nothing runs like a Deere :)
>>>
>>>
>>> JB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>   From: Teampantera <teampantera at yahoo.com>
>>> To: Steven Donegan <steve at donegan.org>; Asa Jay Laughton  
>>> <asajay at asajay.com>; " tpr at teampanteraracing.com"  
>>> <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 9:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [TPR] Tires for Asa's Cat
>>>
>>>
>>> As JB says open road racing ain't for everyone.
>>> Yea high speed blow outs are butt ugly.
>>> Michelin are good and so are others but go with the best if you
>> are 
>>> ever gonna push the limit. Consider even asking Eric as he has  
>>> collected some data on what tires perform well and which ones have 
>>
>>> not....and the results might surprise ya.....He's more opinionated 
>>
>>> then Durango Dave but don't be afraid to ask....
>>> I've been Lucky with ORR  tires but I've replaced them often and
>> only run high speed Y (186 mph) rated high performance tires......no
>> race tires and no shaved tires...then I ain't going as fast as Irish
>> Donegan or Durango Dave either!
>>> Having said that Tire Tech do a good job of checking tires at
>> pre-grid where they inspect all tires of all entries and every year
>> they find at least one tire one car with a piece of debris/bolt/etc.
>> And thats before you even leave the starting line.  But then you know
>> all that already.
>>> Once you START your on your own....you might be thinking, "hey did
>> I 
>>> REMEMBER to add a couple extra pounds of air before I got down to  
>>> pregrid at 6am"....
>>> And then did I remember again to check air pressure and bleed off
>> any excess air before I got strapped in the car....and then  remember
>> sometimes we have had snow and ice on the cars at SS in September
>> temps at 6 am leaving Ely can be 30 degrees warmer by the time you get
>> to Lund and Pre-grid.
>>> I don't ever forget the accidents I've seen in orr competition in  
>>> Nevada, Nebraska, Texas and Mexico. So I always check my tires
>> 3-4-5 
>>> times....you scared yet? GOOD! ;-)>
>>> I am SCAREDeverytime...Headed home next week..remind me to check
>> my 
>>> tires! Hell remind me to check those Boeng 777 tires.
>>> YEEEEEEHHHHHHAAAAA
>>> PS Watch those speeds over the mogels
>>> Steven Donegan <steve at donegan.org> wrote:
>>>> For autocross if a tire fails likely you'll just eat a cone or
>> hay 
>>>> bail. At SSCC if one blows you could lose your life...so run
>> cheap 
>>>> (I use the term loosely) ones for AC and get some real serious
>> ones 
>>>> for SSCC - run flats if you can... My next set will likely be  
>>>> Michelin pilot series...
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>> ____________
>>>> Steven Donegan
>>>> SSCC/NORC Life Member, Car #86
>>>> www.sscc.us
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
>>>> To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 9:13 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [TPR] Tires for Asa's Cat
>>>>
>>>> That actually sounds like decent advice doc.  :)
>>>> Spend a little now, find out how well the car drives and then get
>> real
>>>> spendy tires.
>>>>
>>>> I see what others have to say as well.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Asa Jay
>>>>
>>>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>>>> &  Shelley Marie
>>>> Spokane, WA
>>>> ******************************
>>>> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>>>> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>>>> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6/17/2012 5:30 AM,  Charles Engles wrote:
>>>>> Dear Asa,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                  That might have been me.   I put some Sumitomos
>> HTZ on the
>>>>> more genteel Pantera about eight years (?) ago.   They were
>> inexpensive and
>>>>> I think that they're a good value.  The tires you're looking at
>> are HTZ II.
>>>>> I certainly can't tell you about the latest iteration nor about
>> how well
>>>>> they would tolerate and perform under autocross conditions. 
>> IMHO,  "they
>>>>> are good tires, but certainly not great tires".    Another way to
>> think
>>>>> about them: if they're in your budget and you've upgraded the
>> suspension,
>>>>> then buy'em and flog'em.   With the new set up, you'll still be
>> ahead of the
>>>>> stock set up and once you've taken the measure of the new set up
>> and worn
>>>>> out the Sumis, then you can plan for something else.....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                             Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
>>>>> [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Asa Jay
>> Laughton
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:48 PM
>>>>> To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>>>>> Subject: [TPR] Tires for Asa's Cat
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm now looking for good tires to put on the Pantera.  I'm
>> looking for
>>>>> something both street and race.  I could go with another set of
>> Toyo Proxes
>>>>> 888, but I don't really think I need to do that.  Especially when
>> they are
>>>>> over $200 each and I'm 'trying to save some money here.
>>>>>
>>>>> In fact, I'd like to keep it all under $150 each if I could.  I
>> know the
>>>>> better tires are probably going to be near $200, and if I need
>> to, I'll go
>>>>> there.  Before I do though, I'd like to get some tire opinions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Specifically I'm looking at a name I've not seen before,
>> Sumitomo:
>>>>>
>> http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Sumitomo&tireModel=HTR+Z+II
>>>>> &partnum=44WR7HTRZ2V2&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought I'd heard someone else say something about them so they
>> caught my
>>>>> eye.
>>>>>
>>>>> I used to be a big fan of Pirelli, then I was a loyal Goodyear
>> customer for
>>>>> years.
>>>>> The Pirelli's are a bit steep.
>>>>> If I go with Goodyear, it would most likely be the Eagle F1
>> Asymmetric or
>>>>> the Eagle GT.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, if nothing else.... 17" wheels have given me a whole lot
>> more choices
>>>>> for rubber.
>>>>> Asa Jay
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>>>>> &   Shelley Marie
>>>>> Spokane, WA
>>>>> ******************************
>>>>> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>>>>> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>>>>> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>>>>>
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>>> For autocross if a tire fails likely you'll just eat a cone or hay 
>>
>>> bail. At SSCC if one blows you could lose your life...so run cheap 
>>
>>> (I use the term loosely) ones for AC and get some real serious
>> ones 
>>> for SSCC - run flats if you can... My next set will likely be  
>>> Michelin pilot series...
>>>  
>>> ____________
>>> Steven Donegan
>>> SSCC/NORC Life Member, Car #86
>>> www.sscc.us
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>   From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
>>> To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 9:13 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [TPR] Tires for Asa's Cat
>>>
>>> That actually sounds like decent advice doc.  :)
>>> Spend a little now, find out how well the car drives and then get
>> real
>>> spendy tires.
>>>
>>> I see what others have to say as well.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Asa Jay
>>>
>>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>>> &  Shelley Marie
>>> Spokane, WA
>>> ******************************
>>> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>>> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>>> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/17/2012 5:30 AM,  Charles Engles wrote:
>>>> Dear Asa,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                  That might have been me.   I put some Sumitomos
>> HTZ on the
>>>> more genteel Pantera about eight years (?) ago.   They were
>> inexpensive and
>>>> I think that they're a good value.  The tires you're looking at
>> are HTZ II.
>>>> I certainly can't tell you about the latest iteration nor about
>> how well
>>>> they would tolerate and
>>>   perform under autocross conditions.  IMHO,  "they
>>>> are good tires, but certainly not great tires".    Another way to
>> think
>>>> about them: if they're in your budget and you've upgraded the
>> suspension,
>>>> then buy'em and flog'em.   With the new set up, you'll still be
>> ahead of the
>>>> stock set up and once you've taken the measure of the new set up
>> and worn
>>>> out the Sumis, then you can plan for something else.....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                             Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
>>>> [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Asa Jay
>> Laughton
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:48 PM
>>>> To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>>>> Subject: [TPR] Tires for Asa's Cat
>>>>
>>>> I'm now looking for good tires to put on the Pantera.  I'm looking
>> for
>>>> something both street and race.  I could go with another set of
>> Toyo Proxes
>>>> 888, but I don't really think I need to do that.  Especially when
>> they are
>>>> over $200 each and I'm 'trying to save some money here.
>>>>
>>>> In fact, I'd like to keep it all under $150 each if I could.  I
>> know the
>>>> better tires are probably going to be near $200, and if I need to,
>> I'll go
>>>> there.  Before I do though, I'd like to get some tire
>>>   opinions.
>>>>
>>>> Specifically I'm looking at a
>>>   name I've not seen before, Sumitomo:
>>>>
>> http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Sumitomo&tireModel=HTR+Z+II
>>>> &partnum=44WR7HTRZ2V2&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes
>>>>
>>>> I thought I'd heard someone else say something about them so they
>> caught my
>>>> eye.
>>>>
>>>> I used to be a big fan of Pirelli, then I was a loyal Goodyear
>> customer for
>>>> years.
>>>> The Pirelli's are a bit steep.
>>>> If I go with Goodyear, it would most likely be the Eagle F1
>> Asymmetric or
>>>> the Eagle GT.
>>>>
>>>> Well, if nothing else.... 17" wheels have given me a whole lot
>> more choices
>>>> for rubber.
>>>> Asa Jay
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>>>> &   Shelley Marie
>>>> Spokane, WA
>>>> ******************************
>>>> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>>>> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>>>> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>>>>
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