[TPR] Tires for Asa's Cat
B Hower
b.hower3400 at yahoo.com
Mon Jun 18 12:39:49 PDT 2012
>From when I was hunting tires to please Eric:
So I have 225/50x15 Toyo Proxes 4 on front. The plan now is to go with 225/60x16 Toyo Proxes TPT on the rear, diameter of 26.6 -- 9 overall width ( to be mounted on 6 to 8 width wheel, optimum 6.5,--mine 8". If Eric doesn't like that my next chose is 245/50x16 Toyo Proxes 4, diameter 25.6 --- 9.8 overall width ( same as front except size ) (to be mounted on 7 to 8.5 width wheel, optimum 7.5 -- mine 8".
Eric said no to the Proxes 4 and Proxes TPT -- he wants same tire composition both front and rear. So I went with the 245/50x16 rear.
I don't see a problem with tire size difference on same with wheel ------- as long as the wheel width is recommended by tire manufacturer for tire used.
Bud #3400 ( looking forward to SORC )
--- On Mon, 6/18/12, asajay at asajay.com <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
From: asajay at asajay.com <asajay at asajay.com>
Subject: Re: [TPR] Tires for Asa's Cat
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Date: Monday, June 18, 2012, 1:20 PM
I sent an email to Eric yesterday and I'm waiting on a reply.
If he's partial to Michelin Pilots, then maybe I'll go with the
Michelin Pilot Super Sport:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Pilot+Super+Sport&partnum=245YR7PSSXL&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes
Next question, would it be a problem to run different size front/rear
if the rims are the same width?
I'm looking at 245/40/17 for the Front
and 245/45/17 for the Rear, just to get a little more height. Even
then it's nearly two inches shorter than stock.
Asa Jay
Quoting Steven Donegan <steve at donegan.org>:
> Twere it me, and I actually owned a Pantera instead of a ricer, I
> would change rims to something modern so tire choices would be
> available. I think that is what Asa Jay is doing (smart move). For
> SSCC you just need to have tires with equal to or better than
stock
> in load and speed rating - if you can make the mustang rims work
> then go for Y rated and a load factor better than stock and you're
> good.
>
> My 370Z has ~8000 miles on it, I may replace the tires before the
> next race for safety reasons, Michelin Pilot series is what Eric
> recommended and what I will buy. And hey - that means I can turn
off
> the traction control and burn the bridgestones :-) (the car has
been
> slightly modified and has ~450 HP - not bad for an NA 6) :-)
>
>
> ____________
> Steven Donegan
> SSCC/NORC Life Member, Car #86
> www.sscc.us
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: John Bentley <gndplne at yahoo.com>
> To: Teampantera <teampantera at yahoo.com>; Steven Donegan
> <steve at donegan.org>; Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>; "
> tpr at teampanteraracing.com" <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 10:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [TPR] Tires for Asa's Cat
>
>
> you got that right. I see sooo many Pantera owners that won't
think twice about cruising down a 2-lane country road with a latte in
one hand while talking on the phone and driving at 100 MPH, but they
think running an ORR at 95 is just too risky. Crazy mofo's. There is
no getting around the fact that ORR's are dangerous, but so is
spinning off the road into the weeds while screwing around. There
have been more than one "listers" in the last 10 years do just
that......makes me chuckle a bit. :). If you approach ORR's with a
healthy helping of caution, it is a lot of fun! You just have to get
out there and actually find out what your can and cannot do. Get the
best safety stuff you can afford and go out and practice on a track.
>
>
> The Michelin Pilot MXX3's were the best ORR tire, but they are not
made any more. I have some Dunlops on my car now, but I don't think
there are any available ORR tires made in both 335/35/17's and
245/45/16's that fit my campy clones. I'll have to buy new wheels
when these wear out or get too old. Probably have to go with those
giant tractor tires like the DaWg next go round. Those are from John
Deere, right? Nothing runs like a Deere :)
>
>
> JB
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Teampantera <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> To: Steven Donegan <steve at donegan.org>; Asa Jay Laughton
> <asajay at asajay.com>; " tpr at teampanteraracing.com"
> <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 9:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [TPR] Tires for Asa's Cat
>
>
> As JB says open road racing ain't for everyone.
> Yea high speed blow outs are butt ugly.
> Michelin are good and so are others but go with the best if you
are
> ever gonna push the limit. Consider even asking Eric as he has
> collected some data on what tires perform well and which ones have
> not....and the results might surprise ya.....He's more opinionated
> then Durango Dave but don't be afraid to ask....
> I've been Lucky with ORR tires but I've replaced them often and
only run high speed Y (186 mph) rated high performance tires......no
race tires and no shaved tires...then I ain't going as fast as Irish
Donegan or Durango Dave either!
> Having said that Tire Tech do a good job of checking tires at
pre-grid where they inspect all tires of all entries and every year
they find at least one tire one car with a piece of debris/bolt/etc.
And thats before you even leave the starting line. But then you know
all that already.
> Once you START your on your own....you might be thinking, "hey did
I
> REMEMBER to add a couple extra pounds of air before I got down to
> pregrid at 6am"....
> And then did I remember again to check air pressure and bleed off
any excess air before I got strapped in the car....and then remember
sometimes we have had snow and ice on the cars at SS in September
temps at 6 am leaving Ely can be 30 degrees warmer by the time you get
to Lund and Pre-grid.
> I don't ever forget the accidents I've seen in orr competition in
> Nevada, Nebraska, Texas and Mexico. So I always check my tires
3-4-5
> times....you scared yet? GOOD! ;-)>
> I am SCAREDeverytime...Headed home next week..remind me to check
my
> tires! Hell remind me to check those Boeng 777 tires.
> YEEEEEEHHHHHHAAAAA
> PS Watch those speeds over the mogels
> Steven Donegan <steve at donegan.org> wrote:
>> For autocross if a tire fails likely you'll just eat a cone or
hay
>> bail. At SSCC if one blows you could lose your life...so run
cheap
>> (I use the term loosely) ones for AC and get some real serious
ones
>> for SSCC - run flats if you can... My next set will likely be
>> Michelin pilot series...
>>
>>
>> ____________
>> Steven Donegan
>> SSCC/NORC Life Member, Car #86
>> www.sscc.us
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
>> To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 9:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: [TPR] Tires for Asa's Cat
>>
>> That actually sounds like decent advice doc. :)
>> Spend a little now, find out how well the car drives and then get
real
>> spendy tires.
>>
>> I see what others have to say as well.
>> Thanks,
>> Asa Jay
>>
>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>> & Shelley Marie
>> Spokane, WA
>> ******************************
>> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>>
>>
>> On 6/17/2012 5:30 AM, Charles Engles wrote:
>>> Dear Asa,
>>>
>>>
>>> That might have been me. I put some Sumitomos
HTZ on the
>>> more genteel Pantera about eight years (?) ago. They were
inexpensive and
>>> I think that they're a good value. The tires you're looking at
are HTZ II.
>>> I certainly can't tell you about the latest iteration nor about
how well
>>> they would tolerate and perform under autocross conditions.
IMHO, "they
>>> are good tires, but certainly not great tires". Another way to
think
>>> about them: if they're in your budget and you've upgraded the
suspension,
>>> then buy'em and flog'em. With the new set up, you'll still be
ahead of the
>>> stock set up and once you've taken the measure of the new set up
and worn
>>> out the Sumis, then you can plan for something else.....
>>>
>>>
>>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
>>> [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Asa Jay
Laughton
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:48 PM
>>> To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>>> Subject: [TPR] Tires for Asa's Cat
>>>
>>> I'm now looking for good tires to put on the Pantera. I'm
looking for
>>> something both street and race. I could go with another set of
Toyo Proxes
>>> 888, but I don't really think I need to do that. Especially when
they are
>>> over $200 each and I'm 'trying to save some money here.
>>>
>>> In fact, I'd like to keep it all under $150 each if I could. I
know the
>>> better tires are probably going to be near $200, and if I need
to, I'll go
>>> there. Before I do though, I'd like to get some tire opinions.
>>>
>>> Specifically I'm looking at a name I've not seen before,
Sumitomo:
>>>
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Sumitomo&tireModel=HTR+Z+II
>>> &partnum=44WR7HTRZ2V2&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes
>>>
>>> I thought I'd heard someone else say something about them so they
caught my
>>> eye.
>>>
>>> I used to be a big fan of Pirelli, then I was a loyal Goodyear
customer for
>>> years.
>>> The Pirelli's are a bit steep.
>>> If I go with Goodyear, it would most likely be the Eagle F1
Asymmetric or
>>> the Eagle GT.
>>>
>>> Well, if nothing else.... 17" wheels have given me a whole lot
more choices
>>> for rubber.
>>> Asa Jay
>>>
>>> --
>>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>>> & Shelley Marie
>>> Spokane, WA
>>> ******************************
>>> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>>> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>>> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>>>
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>
> For autocross if a tire fails likely you'll just eat a cone or hay
> bail. At SSCC if one blows you could lose your life...so run cheap
> (I use the term loosely) ones for AC and get some real serious
ones
> for SSCC - run flats if you can... My next set will likely be
> Michelin pilot series...
>
> ____________
> Steven Donegan
> SSCC/NORC Life Member, Car #86
> www.sscc.us
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 9:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [TPR] Tires for Asa's Cat
>
> That actually sounds like decent advice doc. :)
> Spend a little now, find out how well the car drives and then get
real
> spendy tires.
>
> I see what others have to say as well.
> Thanks,
> Asa Jay
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
>
> On 6/17/2012 5:30 AM, Charles Engles wrote:
>> Dear Asa,
>>
>>
>> That might have been me. I put some Sumitomos
HTZ on the
>> more genteel Pantera about eight years (?) ago. They were
inexpensive and
>> I think that they're a good value. The tires you're looking at
are HTZ II.
>> I certainly can't tell you about the latest iteration nor about
how well
>> they would tolerate and
> perform under autocross conditions. IMHO, "they
>> are good tires, but certainly not great tires". Another way to
think
>> about them: if they're in your budget and you've upgraded the
suspension,
>> then buy'em and flog'em. With the new set up, you'll still be
ahead of the
>> stock set up and once you've taken the measure of the new set up
and worn
>> out the Sumis, then you can plan for something else.....
>>
>>
>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
>> [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Asa Jay
Laughton
>> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:48 PM
>> To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>> Subject: [TPR] Tires for Asa's Cat
>>
>> I'm now looking for good tires to put on the Pantera. I'm looking
for
>> something both street and race. I could go with another set of
Toyo Proxes
>> 888, but I don't really think I need to do that. Especially when
they are
>> over $200 each and I'm 'trying to save some money here.
>>
>> In fact, I'd like to keep it all under $150 each if I could. I
know the
>> better tires are probably going to be near $200, and if I need to,
I'll go
>> there. Before I do though, I'd like to get some tire
> opinions.
>>
>> Specifically I'm looking at a
> name I've not seen before, Sumitomo:
>>
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Sumitomo&tireModel=HTR+Z+II
>> &partnum=44WR7HTRZ2V2&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes
>>
>> I thought I'd heard someone else say something about them so they
caught my
>> eye.
>>
>> I used to be a big fan of Pirelli, then I was a loyal Goodyear
customer for
>> years.
>> The Pirelli's are a bit steep.
>> If I go with Goodyear, it would most likely be the Eagle F1
Asymmetric or
>> the Eagle GT.
>>
>> Well, if nothing else.... 17" wheels have given me a whole lot
more choices
>> for rubber.
>> Asa Jay
>>
>> --
>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>> & Shelley Marie
>> Spokane, WA
>> ******************************
>> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>>
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