[TPR] Tires for Asa's Cat

Mon Jun 18 10:25:04 PDT 2012

Twere it me, and I actually owned a Pantera instead of a ricer, I would change rims to something modern so tire choices would be available. I think that is what Asa Jay is doing (smart move). For SSCC you just need to have tires with equal to or better than stock in load and speed rating - if you can make the mustang rims work then go for Y rated and a load factor better than stock and you're good.

My 370Z has ~8000 miles on it, I may replace the tires before the next race for safety reasons, Michelin Pilot series is what Eric recommended and what I will buy. And hey - that means I can turn off the traction control and burn the bridgestones :-) (the car has been slightly modified and has ~450 HP - not bad for an NA 6) :-)

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Steven Donegan
SSCC/NORC Life Member, Car #86
www.sscc.us

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 From: John Bentley <gndplne at yahoo.com>
To: Teampantera <teampantera at yahoo.com>; Steven Donegan <steve at donegan.org>; Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>; " tpr at teampanteraracing.com" <tpr at teampanteraracing.com> 
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [TPR] Tires for Asa's Cat

you got that right.  I see sooo many Pantera owners that won't think twice about cruising down a 2-lane country road with a latte in one hand while talking on the phone and driving at 100 MPH, but they think running an ORR at 95 is just too risky.  Crazy mofo's.  There is no getting around the fact that ORR's are dangerous, but so is spinning off the road into the weeds while screwing around.  There have been more than one "listers" in the last 10 years do just that......makes me chuckle a bit. :).  If you approach ORR's with a healthy helping of caution, it is a lot of fun!  You just have to get out there and actually find out what your can and cannot do.  Get the best safety stuff you can afford and go out and practice on a track.

The Michelin Pilot MXX3's were the best ORR tire, but they are not made any more.  I have some Dunlops on my car now, but I don't think there are any available ORR tires made in both 335/35/17's and 245/45/16's that fit my campy clones.  I'll have to buy new wheels when these wear out or get too old.  Probably have to go with those giant tractor tires like the DaWg next go round.  Those are from John Deere, right?  Nothing runs like a Deere :)

JB

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 From: Teampantera <teampantera at yahoo.com>
To: Steven Donegan <steve at donegan.org>; Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>; " tpr at teampanteraracing.com" <tpr at teampanteraracing.com> 
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] Tires for Asa's Cat

As JB says open road racing ain't for everyone.
Yea high speed blow outs are butt ugly.
Michelin are good and so are others but go with the best if you are ever gonna push the limit. Consider even asking Eric as he has collected some data on what tires perform well and which ones have not....and the results might surprise ya.....He's more opinionated then Durango Dave but don't be afraid to ask....
I've been Lucky with ORR  tires but I've replaced them often and only run high speed Y (186 mph) rated high performance tires......no race tires and no shaved tires...then I ain't going as fast as Irish Donegan or Durango Dave either!
Having said that Tire Tech do a good job of checking tires at pre-grid where they inspect all tires of all entries and every year they find at least one tire one car with a piece of debris/bolt/etc. And thats before you even leave the starting line.  But then you know all that already.
Once you START your on your own....you might be thinking, "hey did I REMEMBER to add a couple extra pounds of air before I got down to pregrid at 6am"....
And then did I remember again to check air pressure and bleed off any excess air before I got strapped in the car....and then  remember sometimes we have had snow and ice on the cars at SS in September temps at 6 am leaving Ely can be 30 degrees warmer by the time you get to Lund and Pre-grid.
I don't ever forget the accidents I've seen in orr competition in Nevada, Nebraska, Texas and Mexico. So I always check my tires 3-4-5 times....you scared yet? GOOD! ;-)>
I am SCAREDeverytime...Headed home next week..remind me to check my tires! Hell remind me to check those Boeng 777 tires.
YEEEEEEHHHHHHAAAAA
PS Watch those speeds over the mogels
Steven Donegan <steve at donegan.org> wrote:
>For autocross if a tire fails likely you'll just eat a cone or hay bail. At SSCC if one blows you could lose your life...so run cheap (I use the term loosely) ones for AC and get some real serious ones for SSCC - run flats if you can... My next set will likely be Michelin pilot series...
>
> 
>____________
>Steven Donegan
>SSCC/NORC Life Member, Car #86
>www.sscc.us
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
>To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
>Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 9:13 AM
>Subject: Re: [TPR] Tires for Asa's Cat
> 
>That actually sounds like decent advice doc.  :)
>Spend a little now, find out how well the car drives and then get real 
>spendy tires.
>
>I see what others have to say as well.
>Thanks,
>Asa Jay
>
>Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>&  Shelley Marie
>Spokane, WA
>******************************
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>
>
>On 6/17/2012 5:30 AM,  Charles Engles wrote:
>> Dear Asa,
>>
>>
>>                 That might have been me.   I put some Sumitomos HTZ on the
>> more genteel Pantera about eight years (?) ago.   They were inexpensive and
>> I think that they're a good value.  The tires you're looking at are HTZ II.
>> I certainly can't tell you about the latest iteration nor about how well
>> they would tolerate and perform under autocross conditions.  IMHO,  "they
>> are good tires, but certainly not great tires".    Another way to think
>> about them: if they're in your budget and you've upgraded the suspension,
>> then buy'em and flog'em.   With the new set up, you'll still be ahead of the
>> stock set up and once you've taken the measure of the new set up and worn
>> out the Sumis, then you can plan for something else.....
>>
>>
>>                            Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
>> [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Asa Jay Laughton
>> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:48 PM
>> To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>> Subject: [TPR] Tires for Asa's Cat
>>
>> I'm now looking for good tires to put on the Pantera.  I'm looking for
>> something both street and race.  I could go with another set of Toyo Proxes
>> 888, but I don't really think I need to do that.  Especially when they are
>> over $200 each and I'm 'trying to save some money here.
>>
>> In fact, I'd like to keep it all under $150 each if I could.  I know the
>> better tires are probably going to be near $200, and if I need to, I'll go
>> there.  Before I do though, I'd like to get some tire opinions.
>>
>> Specifically I'm looking at a name I've not seen before, Sumitomo:
>> http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Sumitomo&tireModel=HTR+Z+II
>> &partnum=44WR7HTRZ2V2&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes
>>
>> I thought I'd heard someone else say something about them so they caught my
>> eye.
>>
>> I used to be a big fan of Pirelli, then I was a loyal Goodyear customer for
>> years.
>> The Pirelli's are a bit steep.
>> If I go with Goodyear, it would most likely be the Eagle F1 Asymmetric or
>> the Eagle GT.
>>
>> Well, if nothing else.... 17" wheels have given me a whole lot more choices
>> for rubber.
>> Asa Jay
>>
>> --
>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>> &   Shelley Marie
>> Spokane, WA
>> ******************************
>> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>>
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For autocross if a tire fails likely you'll just eat a cone or hay bail. At SSCC if one blows you could lose your life...so run cheap (I use the term loosely) ones for AC and get some real serious ones for SSCC - run flats if you can... My next set will likely be Michelin pilot series...

____________
Steven Donegan
SSCC/NORC Life Member, Car #86
www.sscc.us

________________________________
 From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: [TPR] Tires for Asa's Cat

That actually sounds like decent advice doc.  :)
Spend a little now, find out how well the car drives and then get real 
spendy tires.

I see what others have to say as well.
Thanks,
Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
&  Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism

On 6/17/2012 5:30 AM,  Charles Engles wrote:
> Dear Asa,
>
>
>                 That might have been me.   I put some Sumitomos HTZ on the
> more genteel Pantera about eight years (?) ago.   They were inexpensive and
> I think that they're a good value.  The tires you're looking at are HTZ II.
> I certainly can't tell you about the latest iteration nor about how well
> they would tolerate and
 perform under autocross conditions.  IMHO,  "they
> are good tires, but certainly not great tires".    Another way to think
> about them: if they're in your budget and you've upgraded the suspension,
> then buy'em and flog'em.   With the new set up, you'll still be ahead of the
> stock set up and once you've taken the measure of the new set up and worn
> out the Sumis, then you can plan for something else.....
>
>
>                            Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
> [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:48 PM
> To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> Subject: [TPR] Tires for Asa's Cat
>
> I'm now looking for good tires to put on the Pantera.  I'm looking for
> something both street and race.  I could go with another set of Toyo Proxes
> 888, but I don't really think I need to do that.  Especially when they are
> over $200 each and I'm 'trying to save some money here.
>
> In fact, I'd like to keep it all under $150 each if I could.  I know the
> better tires are probably going to be near $200, and if I need to, I'll go
> there.  Before I do though, I'd like to get some tire
 opinions.
>
> Specifically I'm looking at a
 name I've not seen before, Sumitomo:
> http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Sumitomo&tireModel=HTR+Z+II
> &partnum=44WR7HTRZ2V2&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes
>
> I thought I'd heard someone else say something about them so they caught my
> eye.
>
> I used to be a big fan of Pirelli, then I was a loyal Goodyear customer for
> years.
> The Pirelli's are a bit steep.
> If I go with Goodyear, it would most likely be the Eagle F1 Asymmetric or
> the Eagle GT.
>
> Well, if nothing else.... 17" wheels have given me a whole lot more choices
> for rubber.
> Asa Jay
>
> --
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> &   Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
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