[TPR] Fw: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 83, Issue 15
David in Durango
adin at frontier.net
Wed Jun 15 06:48:14 PDT 2011
radiator crap.
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> 1. Re: Single or Dual Pass Radiators? (B. Seib)
> 2. Re: Wipers (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
> 3. Re: Single or Dual Pass Radiators? (JJD1010 at aol.com)
> 4. Re: Single or Dual Pass Radiators? (Ken Green)
> 5. Glass and Fiber Decklids (Cullen McCann)
> 6. Re: Glass and Fiber Decklids (Ken Green)
> 7. Re: Glass and Fiber Decklids (Julian Kift)
> 8. Re: Glass and Fiber Decklids (gow2 at rc-tech.net)
> 9. Re: Glass and Fiber Decklids (boyd casey)
> 10. Re: Glass and Fiber Decklids (Kirk Evans)
> 11. Re: Glass and Fiber Decklids (Cullen McCann)
> 12. Re: Glass and Fiber Decklids (Cullen McCann)
> 13. Re: Glass and Fiber Decklids (Ken Green)
> 14. Re: Glass and Fiber Decklids (Cullen McCann)
> 15. superchargers (John Bentley)
> 16. Re: Glass and Fiber Decklids (gow2 at rc-tech.net)
> 17. Re: Glass and Fiber Decklids (Cullen McCann)
> 18. Re: Glass and Fiber Decklids (gow2 at rc-tech.net)
> 19. Re: steering rack....Again??!!Bump steer and noises
> (clay willmott)
> 20. Re: Glass and Fiber Decklids ( J?rn C. Olsen )
> 21. Re: Glass and Fiber Decklids (Cullen McCann)
> 22. Re: Glass and Fiber Decklids (Julian Kift)
> 23. superchargers (Larry Finch)
> 24. Re: Glass and Fiber Decklids (Ken Green)
> 25. Re: Glass and Fiber Decklids (JDeRyke at aol.com)
> 26. Re: Don Peak Service Award (Mike Thomas)
> 27. Re: Window motor (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
> 28. Re: Cast your vote for a Pantera (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 08:16:11 -0500
> From: "B. Seib" <oldwheel at shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Single or Dual Pass Radiators?
> To: "Bill Gaino" <gaino at earthlink.net>, "Ken Green"
> <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, "Charles Engles" <cengles at cox.net>, "mark
> skwarek" <ehpantera at yahoo.com>
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <KFEFLEOLLPODDEBIPGDFIEFDDEAA.oldwheel at shaw.ca>
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> Theory aside, it does seem that either single pass or double pass types
> can
> be made to work acceptably in a Pantera as long as the rest of the system
> is
> in good shape and compliments the choice of radiator. I suspect the double
> pass system may reach its limitation sooner in racing situations and high
> HP
> at high temps.
> Barry
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mark skwarek [mailto:ehpantera at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 11:47 PM
> To: 'B. Seib'; Charles Engles
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Single or Dual Pass Radiators?
>
>
> I have a Griffin radiator with two rows of 1.5" cores. 3" thick
> total. Griffin has this type of radiator rated for 600 to 1000HP. It is a
> single pass type and I have never had any problems with over heating. I
> am
> using a 190 degree thermostat.
>
> Mark
>
> --- On Mon, 6/13/11, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Single or Dual Pass Radiators?
> To: "'B. Seib'" <oldwheel at shaw.ca>
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Monday, June 13, 2011, 11:31 PM
>
>
> Dear Barry,
>
>
> Even after going through over 900 track photos, your
> succinct
> summary of coolant basics makes sense and explains why the dual
> and triple
> pass radiators don't seem to work in Panteras as well as they are
> expected.
>
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> Behalf Of B. Seib
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 6:44 PM
> To: DetomasoList; Ken Green
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Single or Dual Pass Radiators?
>
> Ken
> This has been discussed to death several times before and
> agreement of all
> parties was never achieved.
> My opinion based on an analysis of The views I trusted most was
> that a dual
> pass may have some small advantage in an idling/ traffic
> situation
> and the
> single pass was better at high speed/load/HP. If you believe the
> "more flow
> is better" theory, it's single pass. If you buy the theory that
> coolant
> needs to spend a long time in the rad to shed more heat, maybe
> dual or
> triple pass is for you.
> Barry
>
>
> Stewart Components and Evans Coolant are "more flow is better"
> advocates:
>
> http://www.stewartcomponents.com/tech_tips/Tech_Tips_5.htm
>
> http://www.stewartcomponents.com/tech_tips/Tech_Tips_3.htm
>
> quoting Stewart>>>>
>
>
> Double pass radiators require 16x more pressure to flow the same
> volume of
> coolant through them, as compared to a single pass radiator.
> Triple pass
> radiators require 64x more pressure to maintain the same volume.
> Automotive
> water pumps are a centrifugal design, not positive displacement,
> so with a
> double pass radiator, the pressure is doubled and flow is reduced
> by
> approximately 33%. Modern radiator designs, using wide/thin cross
> sections
> tubes, seldom benefit from multiple pass configurations. The
> decrease in
> flow caused by multiple passes offsets any benefits of a
> high-flow
> water
> pump.
>
>
> A common misconception is that if coolant flows too quickly
> through the
> system, that it will not have time to cool properly. However the
> cooling
> system is a closed loop, so if you are keeping the coolant in the
> radiator
> longer to allow it to cool, you are also allowing it to stay in
> the engine
> longer, which increases coolant temperatures. Coolant in the
> engine will
> actually boil away from critical heat areas within the cooling
> system if not
> forced through the cooling system at a sufficiently high
> velocity.
> This
> situation is a common cause of so-called "hot spots", which can
> lead to
> failures.
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:35:56 EDT
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wipers
> To: CoatesR8 at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
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> In a message dated 6/14/11 1 52 24, CoatesR8 at aol.com writes:
>
>
>> My wipers have loads of play in the linkages as well as needing hand?
>> assistance, can anyone tell me what the wheelboxes wre sourced from ? it
>> looks?
>> like the Rack is a standard Lucas item as used by old Mini's etc. and
>> just
>> cut? down to size.
>>
>
> All those components come from Jolly Old England. :>)
>
> http://www.s-v-c.co.uk/ is the UK source for Lucas windshield wiper
> motors, components, and technical info. You can buy the entire system
> brand-new from them should you so choose.
>
> Here's the specific page from their website.
>
> http://www.s-v-c.co.uk/category/wiper-systems-and-parts/
>
> Cheers!
>
> Mike (wading through over 1000 back e-mails after returning from Reno....)
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:44:01 EDT
> From: JJD1010 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Single or Dual Pass Radiators?
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <50993.609e7ce1.3b28dbc1 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Okay, so who makes a good single pass radiator that drops into our cars?
>
> Jeff
> 6559
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> On
> Behalf Of B. Seib
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 6:44 PM
> To: DetomasoList; Ken Green
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Single or Dual Pass Radiators?
>
> Ken
> This has been discussed to death several times before and agreement of
> all
> parties was never achieved.
> My opinion based on an analysis of The views I trusted most was that a
> dual
> pass may have some small advantage in an idling/ traffic situation and
> the
> single pass was better at high speed/load/HP. If you believe the "more
> flow
> is better" theory, it's single pass. If you buy the theory that coolant
> needs to spend a long time in the rad to shed more heat, maybe dual or
> triple pass is for you.
> Barry
>
>
> Stewart Components and Evans Coolant are "more flow is better"
> advocates:
>
> http://www.stewartcomponents.com/tech_tips/Tech_Tips_5.htm
>
> http://www.stewartcomponents.com/tech_tips/Tech_Tips_3.htm
>
> quoting Stewart>>>>
>
>
> Double pass radiators require 16x more pressure to flow the same volume
> of
> coolant through them, as compared to a single pass radiator. Triple pass
> radiators require 64x more pressure to maintain the same volume.
> Automotive
> water pumps are a centrifugal design, not positive displacement, so with
> a
> double pass radiator, the pressure is doubled and flow is reduced by
> approximately 33%. Modern radiator designs, using wide/thin cross
> sections
> tubes, seldom benefit from multiple pass configurations. The decrease in
> flow caused by multiple passes offsets any benefits of a high-flow water
> pump.
>
>
> A common misconception is that if coolant flows too quickly through the
> system, that it will not have time to cool properly. However the cooling
> system is a closed loop, so if you are keeping the coolant in the
> radiator
> longer to allow it to cool, you are also allowing it to stay in the
> engine
> longer, which increases coolant temperatures. Coolant in the engine will
> actually boil away from critical heat areas within the cooling system if
> not
> forced through the cooling system at a sufficiently high velocity. This
> situation is a common cause of so-called "hot spots", which can lead to
> failures.
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 08:54:52 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Single or Dual Pass Radiators?
> To: Bill Gaino <gaino at earthlink.net>, Charles Engles
> <cengles at cox.net>, mark skwarek <ehpantera at yahoo.com>, "B. Seib"
> <oldwheel at shaw.ca>
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <128482.53322.qm at web30807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>
> Someone mentioned more dwell time in a 2 pass radiator, but if the
> radiators are the same size (i.e., volume), the only way the dwell time
> increases is if the flow rate drops.? The increased restriction in a two
> pass would reduce flow rate (I have no idea how much) so dwell time would
> increase, but based on comments from Stewart Pumps and others, it's never
> good to drop flow rate, but there probably is a minimum flow speed where
> the slower coolant flow speed through a single pass is no longer
> turbulant, and heat transfer is reduced.
> ?
> The 16 times the pressure?number from Stewart doesn't make sense to me?? I
> can imagine that with turbulant flow and twice the path length, the
> pressure drop across the radiator might be a lot greater, and maybe 16
> times, greater, but the overall effect would depend on the pressure drop
> in the radiator compared to the overall system.
> ?
> The Stewart Tech article that Barry posted explains more of this:
> ?
> http://www.stewartcomponents.com/tech_tips/Tech_Tips_5.htm
> ?
> All in all, the scales are tipping towards single pass if it used modern
> tubes etc.
> ?
> Ken
>
> --- On Tue, 6/14/11, B. Seib <oldwheel at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>
> From: B. Seib <oldwheel at shaw.ca>
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Single or Dual Pass Radiators?
> To: "Bill Gaino" <gaino at earthlink.net>, "Ken Green"
> <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, "Charles Engles" <cengles at cox.net>, "mark skwarek"
> <ehpantera at yahoo.com>
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 6:16 AM
>
>
>
> Theory aside, it does seem that either single pass or double pass types
> can be made to work acceptably in a Pantera as long as the rest of the
> system is in good shape and compliments the choice of radiator. I suspect
> the double pass system?may reach its limitation sooner in racing
> situations and high HP at high?temps.
> Barry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mark skwarek [mailto:ehpantera at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 11:47 PM
> To: 'B. Seib'; Charles Engles
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Single or Dual Pass Radiators?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I have a Griffin radiator with two rows of 1.5" cores. 3" thick total.
> Griffin?has this type of?radiator rated for 600 to 1000HP.?It is a single
> pass type and I have never had any problems with over heating. ?I am using
> a 190 degree thermostat.
> ?
> Mark
>
> --- On Mon, 6/13/11, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Single or Dual Pass Radiators?
> To: "'B. Seib'" <oldwheel at shaw.ca>
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Monday, June 13, 2011, 11:31 PM
>
>
> Dear Barry,
>
>
> ? ? ? ? ???Even after going through over 900 track photos, your succinct
> summary of coolant basics makes sense and explains why the dual and triple
> pass radiators don't seem to work in Panteras as well as they are
> expected.
>
>
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???Warmest regards,? Chuck Engles
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> On
> Behalf Of B. Seib
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 6:44 PM
> To: DetomasoList; Ken Green
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Single or Dual Pass Radiators?
>
> Ken
> This has been discussed to death several times before and agreement of all
> parties was never achieved.
> My opinion based on an analysis of The views I trusted most was that a
> dual
> pass may have some small advantage in an idling/ traffic situation and the
> single pass was better at high speed/load/HP. If you believe the "more
> flow
> is better" theory, it's single pass. If you buy the theory that coolant
> needs to spend a long time in the rad to shed more heat, maybe dual or
> triple pass is for you.
> Barry
>
>
> Stewart Components and Evans Coolant are? "more flow is better" advocates:
>
> http://www.stewartcomponents.com/tech_tips/Tech_Tips_5.htm
>
> http://www.stewartcomponents.com/tech_tips/Tech_Tips_3.htm
>
> quoting Stewart>>>>
>
>
> Double pass radiators require 16x more pressure to flow the same volume of
> coolant through them, as compared to a single pass radiator. Triple pass
> radiators require 64x more pressure to maintain the same volume.
> Automotive
> water pumps are a centrifugal design, not positive displacement, so with a
> double pass radiator, the pressure is doubled and flow is reduced by
> approximately 33%. Modern radiator designs, using wide/thin cross sections
> tubes, seldom benefit from multiple pass configurations. The decrease in
> flow caused by multiple passes offsets any benefits of a high-flow water
> pump.
>
>
> A common misconception is that if coolant flows too quickly through the
> system, that it will not have time to cool properly. However the cooling
> system is a closed loop, so if you are keeping the coolant in the radiator
> longer to allow it to cool, you are also allowing it to stay in the engine
> longer, which increases coolant temperatures. Coolant in the engine will
> actually boil away from critical heat areas within the cooling system if
> not
> forced through the cooling system at a sufficiently high velocity. This
> situation is a common cause of so-called "hot spots", which can lead to
> failures.
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:34:10 -0500
> From: "Cullen McCann" <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <006301cc2ab0$e4677d60$ad367820$@com>
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>
> Hello friends,
>
>
>
> There is a carbon fiber decklid on ebay at the moment. Seller claims its
> used but does appear to be in good shape. Price is 2500 bucks. I don't
> think
> I'm buying a 2500 decklid right now but who of our vendors sells them so I
> can budget and price compare against my options.new to used, etc? As well
> as
> fiberglass?
>
>
>
> I have rust ( of course) in the leading edge of my deck lid. I CAN repair
> it.but it will be a painstaking process to do correctly, and keep heat
> distortion minimized across the expansive diaphragm like character of that
> decklid. Like anything else im weighing my options for repairing the lid I
> have, vs. good replacement steel deck lid with no cancer, a fiberglass lid
> (
> will mostly likely need hours upon hours of fitment work) or a carbon
> fiber
> lid. I assume they need to be fitted too.but I don't know how to work
> carbon
> fiber, if it can even be done? I can trim a panel like anyone, but if you
> had to fill a carbon fiber panel to bring it into true.I honestly wouldn't
> know where to start.
>
>
>
> Keep in mind that labor doesn't particularly scare me, and the best
> solution
> for me is not usually to buy the version that solves my problems the
> fastest
> and easiest. I'm just thinking about practicality and logic..well and the
> sexiness of a carbon fiber lid too.. ;)
>
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
> Thank you all for your thoughts.
>
>
>
> Cullen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:22:41 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
> To: detomaso at realbig.com, Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
> Message-ID: <120980.47610.qm at web30802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Cullen,
> ?
> ??? I have a 20 pound deck made of Barotex (http://barotextechnology.com/)
> which was made from a mold of my early 72 deck.? It fits the 72 really
> well, but is a poor fit to a 73 and would require serious mods.? Others
> have also said there are differences, but I'm not sure if they are early
> to late cars, or each car is different.
> ?
> Ken
>
> --- On Tue, 6/14/11, Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 9:34 AM
>
>
> Hello friends,
>
>
>
> There is a carbon fiber decklid on ebay at the moment. Seller claims its
> used but does appear to be in good shape. Price is 2500 bucks. I don't
> think
> I'm buying a 2500 decklid right now but who of our vendors sells them so I
> can budget and price compare against my options.new to used, etc? As well
> as
> fiberglass?
>
>
>
> I have rust ( of course) in the leading edge of my deck lid. I CAN repair
> it.but it will be a painstaking process to do correctly, and keep heat
> distortion minimized across the expansive diaphragm like character of that
> decklid. Like anything else im weighing my options for repairing the lid I
> have, vs. good replacement steel deck lid with no cancer, a fiberglass lid
> (
> will mostly likely need hours upon hours of fitment work) or a carbon
> fiber
> lid. I assume they need to be fitted too.but I don't know how to work
> carbon
> fiber, if it can even be done? I can trim a panel like anyone, but if you
> had to fill a carbon fiber panel to bring it into true.I honestly wouldn't
> know where to start.
>
>
>
> Keep in mind that labor doesn't particularly scare me, and the best
> solution
> for me is not usually to buy the version that solves my problems the
> fastest
> and easiest. I'm just thinking about practicality and logic..well and the
> sexiness of a carbon fiber lid too..? ;)
>
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
> Thank you all for your thoughts.
>
>
>
> Cullen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:35:05 -0700
> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
> To: <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, De Tomaso List <detomaso at realbig.com>,
> <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
> Message-ID: <SNT116-W2038A0122C7FE12A53746F95680 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> Yeah you can't exactly trim a CF decklid if you want to retain the carbon
> look, whereas with a glass one you can modify as required. Be aware that
> nearly all the CF decklids for sale in the US are a Carbon overlay
> (aesthetic only) of a fiberglass decklid and just as heavy if not heavier.
> There's one company I'm aware of in Europe producing true Carbon units.
>
> Julian
>
>> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:22:41 -0700
>> From: kenn_green at yahoo.com
>> To: detomaso at realbig.com; cmccann1972 at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
>>
>> Cullen,
>>
>> I have a 20 pound deck made of Barotex
>> (http://barotextechnology.com/) which was made from a mold of my early 72
>> deck. It fits the 72 really well, but is a poor fit to a 73 and would
>> require serious mods. Others have also said there are differences, but
>> I'm not sure if they are early to late cars, or each car is different.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> --- On Tue, 6/14/11, Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 9:34 AM
>>
>>
>> Hello friends,
>>
>>
>>
>> There is a carbon fiber decklid on ebay at the moment. Seller claims its
>> used but does appear to be in good shape. Price is 2500 bucks. I don't
>> think
>> I'm buying a 2500 decklid right now but who of our vendors sells them so
>> I
>> can budget and price compare against my options.new to used, etc? As well
>> as
>> fiberglass?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have rust ( of course) in the leading edge of my deck lid. I CAN repair
>> it.but it will be a painstaking process to do correctly, and keep heat
>> distortion minimized across the expansive diaphragm like character of
>> that
>> decklid. Like anything else im weighing my options for repairing the lid
>> I
>> have, vs. good replacement steel deck lid with no cancer, a fiberglass
>> lid (
>> will mostly likely need hours upon hours of fitment work) or a carbon
>> fiber
>> lid. I assume they need to be fitted too.but I don't know how to work
>> carbon
>> fiber, if it can even be done? I can trim a panel like anyone, but if you
>> had to fill a carbon fiber panel to bring it into true.I honestly
>> wouldn't
>> know where to start.
>>
>>
>>
>> Keep in mind that labor doesn't particularly scare me, and the best
>> solution
>> for me is not usually to buy the version that solves my problems the
>> fastest
>> and easiest. I'm just thinking about practicality and logic..well and the
>> sexiness of a carbon fiber lid too.. ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you all for your thoughts.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cullen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 12:36:00 -0500
> From: gow2 at rc-tech.net
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
> To: "Cullen McCann" <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID:
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>
> If you want a carbon fiber look (which I think is quite neat) then a
> carbon fiber deck lid is great. If you intend on painting it, I don's see
> enough difference in strength or weight to mater between CF and
> fiberglass.
>
> I chose Fiberglass because the fit is a crap shoot car to car. Some say
> they fit well, some say they fit poorly. Some care more about gaps, and
> some just get lucky. Every car is different enough I think it is a gamble
> with carbon fiber. If you live close to a vendor where you can check the
> fit before purchase that would personally be the only way I would buy one.
>
>
> his is the work I did to get the fiberglass lid to fit my car properly:
>
> http://www.rc-tech.net/pantera1/decklid/dl.htm
>
> How much work is that compared to repairing your steel decklid?
>
> Gary
>
>
>> Hello friends,
>>
>>
>>
>> There is a carbon fiber decklid on ebay at the moment. Seller claims its
>> used but does appear to be in good shape. Price is 2500 bucks. I don't
>> think
>> I'm buying a 2500 decklid right now but who of our vendors sells them so
>> I
>> can budget and price compare against my options.new to used, etc? As well
>> as
>> fiberglass?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have rust ( of course) in the leading edge of my deck lid. I CAN repair
>> it.but it will be a painstaking process to do correctly, and keep heat
>> distortion minimized across the expansive diaphragm like character of
>> that
>> decklid. Like anything else im weighing my options for repairing the lid
>> I
>> have, vs. good replacement steel deck lid with no cancer, a fiberglass
>> lid
>> (
>> will mostly likely need hours upon hours of fitment work) or a carbon
>> fiber
>> lid. I assume they need to be fitted too.but I don't know how to work
>> carbon
>> fiber, if it can even be done? I can trim a panel like anyone, but if you
>> had to fill a carbon fiber panel to bring it into true.I honestly
>> wouldn't
>> know where to start.
>>
>>
>>
>> Keep in mind that labor doesn't particularly scare me, and the best
>> solution
>> for me is not usually to buy the version that solves my problems the
>> fastest
>> and easiest. I'm just thinking about practicality and logic..well and the
>> sexiness of a carbon fiber lid too.. ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you all for your thoughts.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cullen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:44:13 -0400
> From: boyd casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
> To: gow2 at rc-tech.net
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <BANLkTinziPQiOg6oWRgdYSn_28nU+oUmhQ at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> I have an early steel decklid ( the one with the raised strip down the
> center) that I would sell for what I think is a fair price ($1500.00) It
> is
> in excellent condition. It is in primer with No Rust , No dents, solid as
> the rock of Gibraltar. Let me know if you are interested and I will send
> you
> some pictures.
> Boyd
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 1:36 PM, <gow2 at rc-tech.net> wrote:
>
>> If you want a carbon fiber look (which I think is quite neat) then a
>> carbon fiber deck lid is great. If you intend on painting it, I don's see
>> enough difference in strength or weight to mater between CF and
>> fiberglass.
>>
>> I chose Fiberglass because the fit is a crap shoot car to car. Some say
>> they fit well, some say they fit poorly. Some care more about gaps, and
>> some just get lucky. Every car is different enough I think it is a gamble
>> with carbon fiber. If you live close to a vendor where you can check the
>> fit before purchase that would personally be the only way I would buy
>> one.
>>
>>
>> his is the work I did to get the fiberglass lid to fit my car properly:
>>
>> http://www.rc-tech.net/pantera1/decklid/dl.htm
>>
>> How much work is that compared to repairing your steel decklid?
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> > Hello friends,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > There is a carbon fiber decklid on ebay at the moment. Seller claims
>> > its
>> > used but does appear to be in good shape. Price is 2500 bucks. I don't
>> > think
>> > I'm buying a 2500 decklid right now but who of our vendors sells them
>> > so
>> I
>> > can budget and price compare against my options.new to used, etc? As
>> > well
>> > as
>> > fiberglass?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I have rust ( of course) in the leading edge of my deck lid. I CAN
>> > repair
>> > it.but it will be a painstaking process to do correctly, and keep heat
>> > distortion minimized across the expansive diaphragm like character of
>> that
>> > decklid. Like anything else im weighing my options for repairing the
>> > lid
>> I
>> > have, vs. good replacement steel deck lid with no cancer, a fiberglass
>> lid
>> > (
>> > will mostly likely need hours upon hours of fitment work) or a carbon
>> > fiber
>> > lid. I assume they need to be fitted too.but I don't know how to work
>> > carbon
>> > fiber, if it can even be done? I can trim a panel like anyone, but if
>> > you
>> > had to fill a carbon fiber panel to bring it into true.I honestly
>> wouldn't
>> > know where to start.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Keep in mind that labor doesn't particularly scare me, and the best
>> > solution
>> > for me is not usually to buy the version that solves my problems the
>> > fastest
>> > and easiest. I'm just thinking about practicality and logic..well and
>> > the
>> > sexiness of a carbon fiber lid too.. ;)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thoughts?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thank you all for your thoughts.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Cullen
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 14:04:56 -0400
> From: "Kirk Evans" <kre at adelphia.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
> To: "Cullen McCann" <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <02b701cc2abd$92183fb0$0201a8c0 at dell18df054112>
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> reply-type=original
>
> Cullen,
>
> I am going to address this soon by building a deck and hood with fit
> adjustability. Mine will fit all the cars---hang in there.
>
> Kirk
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cullen McCann" <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 12:34 PM
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
>
>
>> Hello friends,
>>
>>
>>
>> There is a carbon fiber decklid on ebay at the moment. Seller claims its
>> used but does appear to be in good shape. Price is 2500 bucks. I don't
>> think
>> I'm buying a 2500 decklid right now but who of our vendors sells them so
>> I
>> can budget and price compare against my options.new to used, etc? As well
>> as
>> fiberglass?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have rust ( of course) in the leading edge of my deck lid. I CAN repair
>> it.but it will be a painstaking process to do correctly, and keep heat
>> distortion minimized across the expansive diaphragm like character of
>> that
>> decklid. Like anything else im weighing my options for repairing the lid
>> I
>> have, vs. good replacement steel deck lid with no cancer, a fiberglass
>> lid
>> (
>> will mostly likely need hours upon hours of fitment work) or a carbon
>> fiber
>> lid. I assume they need to be fitted too.but I don't know how to work
>> carbon
>> fiber, if it can even be done? I can trim a panel like anyone, but if you
>> had to fill a carbon fiber panel to bring it into true.I honestly
>> wouldn't
>> know where to start.
>>
>>
>>
>> Keep in mind that labor doesn't particularly scare me, and the best
>> solution
>> for me is not usually to buy the version that solves my problems the
>> fastest
>> and easiest. I'm just thinking about practicality and logic..well and the
>> sexiness of a carbon fiber lid too.. ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you all for your thoughts.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cullen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:19:18 -0500
> From: "Cullen McCann" <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
> To: "'Julian Kift'" <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, <kenn_green at yahoo.com>,
> "'De Tomaso List'" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <007401cc2abf$9437d970$bca78c50$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Wow.I get back from lunch and already have informative reading. Thanks
> Julian for this info on the overlays.I didn't know that at all.that does
> change my perspective. I definitely am not paying 2500 bucks or more for
> an
> imitation decklid.even though the fiber is fiberlous..
>
>
>
> From: Julian Kift [mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 12:35 PM
> To: kenn_green at yahoo.com; De Tomaso List; cmccann1972 at gmail.com
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
>
>
>
> Yeah you can't exactly trim a CF decklid if you want to retain the carbon
> look, whereas with a glass one you can modify as required. Be aware that
> nearly all the CF decklids for sale in the US are a Carbon overlay
> (aesthetic only) of a fiberglass decklid and just as heavy if not heavier.
> There's one company I'm aware of in Europe producing true Carbon units.
>
> Julian
>
>> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:22:41 -0700
>> From: kenn_green at yahoo.com
>> To: detomaso at realbig.com; cmccann1972 at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
>>
>> Cullen,
>>
>> I have a 20 pound deck made of Barotex
>> (http://barotextechnology.com/)
> which was made from a mold of my early 72 deck. It fits the 72 really
> well,
> but is a poor fit to a 73 and would require serious mods. Others have
> also
> said there are differences, but I'm not sure if they are early to late
> cars,
> or each car is different.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> --- On Tue, 6/14/11, Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 9:34 AM
>>
>>
>> Hello friends,
>>
>>
>>
>> There is a carbon fiber decklid on ebay at the moment. Seller claims its
>> used but does appear to be in good shape. Price is 2500 bucks. I don't
> think
>> I'm buying a 2500 decklid right now but who of our vendors sells them so
>> I
>> can budget and price compare against my options.new to used, etc? As well
> as
>> fiberglass?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have rust ( of course) in the leading edge of my deck lid. I CAN repair
>> it.but it will be a painstaking process to do correctly, and keep heat
>> distortion minimized across the expansive diaphragm like character of
>> that
>> decklid. Like anything else im weighing my options for repairing the lid
>> I
>> have, vs. good replacement steel deck lid with no cancer, a fiberglass
>> lid
> (
>> will mostly likely need hours upon hours of fitment work) or a carbon
> fiber
>> lid. I assume they need to be fitted too.but I don't know how to work
> carbon
>> fiber, if it can even be done? I can trim a panel like anyone, but if you
>> had to fill a carbon fiber panel to bring it into true.I honestly
>> wouldn't
>> know where to start.
>>
>>
>>
>> Keep in mind that labor doesn't particularly scare me, and the best
> solution
>> for me is not usually to buy the version that solves my problems the
> fastest
>> and easiest. I'm just thinking about practicality and logic..well and the
>> sexiness of a carbon fiber lid too.. ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you all for your thoughts.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cullen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:22:42 -0500
> From: "Cullen McCann" <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
> To: "'Kirk Evans'" <kre at adelphia.net>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <007901cc2ac0$0e00c280$2a024780$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Kirk, you are the man...when we last discussed this condition in person
> you
> suggested you wanted to develop a solution...I look forward to seeing it.
>
> Cullen
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kirk Evans [mailto:kre at adelphia.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 1:05 PM
> To: Cullen McCann; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
>
> Cullen,
>
> I am going to address this soon by building a deck and hood with fit
> adjustability. Mine will fit all the cars---hang in there.
>
> Kirk
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cullen McCann" <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 12:34 PM
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
>
>
>> Hello friends,
>>
>>
>>
>> There is a carbon fiber decklid on ebay at the moment. Seller claims its
>> used but does appear to be in good shape. Price is 2500 bucks. I don't
>> think
>> I'm buying a 2500 decklid right now but who of our vendors sells them so
>> I
>> can budget and price compare against my options.new to used, etc? As well
>> as
>> fiberglass?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have rust ( of course) in the leading edge of my deck lid. I CAN repair
>> it.but it will be a painstaking process to do correctly, and keep heat
>> distortion minimized across the expansive diaphragm like character of
>> that
>> decklid. Like anything else im weighing my options for repairing the lid
>> I
>> have, vs. good replacement steel deck lid with no cancer, a fiberglass
>> lid
>
>> (
>> will mostly likely need hours upon hours of fitment work) or a carbon
>> fiber
>> lid. I assume they need to be fitted too.but I don't know how to work
>> carbon
>> fiber, if it can even be done? I can trim a panel like anyone, but if you
>> had to fill a carbon fiber panel to bring it into true.I honestly
>> wouldn't
>> know where to start.
>>
>>
>>
>> Keep in mind that labor doesn't particularly scare me, and the best
>> solution
>> for me is not usually to buy the version that solves my problems the
>> fastest
>> and easiest. I'm just thinking about practicality and logic..well and the
>> sexiness of a carbon fiber lid too.. ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you all for your thoughts.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cullen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:24:11 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
> To: 'Julian Kift' <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, 'De Tomaso List'
> <detomaso at realbig.com>, Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
> Message-ID: <611010.45001.qm at web30801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> I emailed the seller and he said it is something less than 20 pounds,?if
> that is accurate,?it is probably all carbon fiber.
> ?
> Ken
>
> --- On Tue, 6/14/11, Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
> To: "'Julian Kift'" <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, kenn_green at yahoo.com, "'De
> Tomaso List'" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 11:19 AM
>
>
> Wow.I get back from lunch and already have informative reading. Thanks
> Julian for this info on the overlays.I didn't know that at all.that does
> change my perspective. I definitely am not paying 2500 bucks or more for
> an
> imitation decklid.even though the fiber is fiberlous..
>
>
>
> From: Julian Kift [mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 12:35 PM
> To: kenn_green at yahoo.com; De Tomaso List; cmccann1972 at gmail.com
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
>
>
>
> Yeah you can't exactly trim a CF decklid if you want to retain the carbon
> look, whereas with a glass one you can modify as required. Be aware that
> nearly all the CF decklids for sale in the US are a Carbon overlay
> (aesthetic only) of a fiberglass decklid and just as heavy if not heavier.
> There's one company I'm aware of in Europe producing true Carbon units.
>
> Julian
>
>> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:22:41 -0700
>> From: kenn_green at yahoo.com
>> To: detomaso at realbig.com; cmccann1972 at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
>>
>> Cullen,
>>?
>>? ???I have a 20 pound deck made of Barotex
>>(http://barotextechnology.com/)
> which was made from a mold of my early 72 deck.? It fits the 72 really
> well,
> but is a poor fit to a 73 and would require serious mods.? Others have
> also
> said there are differences, but I'm not sure if they are early to late
> cars,
> or each car is different.
>>?
>> Ken
>>
>> --- On Tue, 6/14/11, Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 9:34 AM
>>
>>
>> Hello friends,
>>
>>
>>
>> There is a carbon fiber decklid on ebay at the moment. Seller claims its
>> used but does appear to be in good shape. Price is 2500 bucks. I don't
> think
>> I'm buying a 2500 decklid right now but who of our vendors sells them so
>> I
>> can budget and price compare against my options.new to used, etc? As well
> as
>> fiberglass?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have rust ( of course) in the leading edge of my deck lid. I CAN repair
>> it.but it will be a painstaking process to do correctly, and keep heat
>> distortion minimized across the expansive diaphragm like character of
>> that
>> decklid. Like anything else im weighing my options for repairing the lid
>> I
>> have, vs. good replacement steel deck lid with no cancer, a fiberglass
>> lid
> (
>> will mostly likely need hours upon hours of fitment work) or a carbon
> fiber
>> lid. I assume they need to be fitted too.but I don't know how to work
> carbon
>> fiber, if it can even be done? I can trim a panel like anyone, but if you
>> had to fill a carbon fiber panel to bring it into true.I honestly
>> wouldn't
>> know where to start.
>>
>>
>>
>> Keep in mind that labor doesn't particularly scare me, and the best
> solution
>> for me is not usually to buy the version that solves my problems the
> fastest
>> and easiest. I'm just thinking about practicality and logic..well and the
>> sexiness of a carbon fiber lid too..? ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you all for your thoughts.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cullen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:27:33 -0500
> From: "Cullen McCann" <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
> To: <gow2 at rc-tech.net>
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
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> Thank you Gary, as always..for your wisdom and documentation. My deck lid
> is
> damage and hail free...good everywhere EXCEPT for the back vertical
> leading
> edge which is riddled with holes. The holes go through only the outer
> skin,
> not into the structural brace ...I could have a completely new face welded
> in if it weren't for the risk of turning the entire decklid into a taco.
> Kirk did advise me on hammer welding to reverse the affects of heat
> distortion when we discussed it...and Ive also had reputable advice that
> if
> you weld it slow enough...( like over the course of many days) a person
> could weld it up without moving much.
>
> To answer your question...im probably more comfortable with working the
> fiberglass...but I think the metal can be saved if I took my time. I'll
> shoot you a photo offline.
>
> Cullen
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gow2 at rc-tech.net [mailto:gow2 at rc-tech.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 12:36 PM
> To: Cullen McCann
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
>
> If you want a carbon fiber look (which I think is quite neat) then a
> carbon fiber deck lid is great. If you intend on painting it, I don's see
> enough difference in strength or weight to mater between CF and
> fiberglass.
>
> I chose Fiberglass because the fit is a crap shoot car to car. Some say
> they fit well, some say they fit poorly. Some care more about gaps, and
> some just get lucky. Every car is different enough I think it is a gamble
> with carbon fiber. If you live close to a vendor where you can check the
> fit before purchase that would personally be the only way I would buy one.
>
>
> his is the work I did to get the fiberglass lid to fit my car properly:
>
> http://www.rc-tech.net/pantera1/decklid/dl.htm
>
> How much work is that compared to repairing your steel decklid?
>
> Gary
>
>
>> Hello friends,
>>
>>
>>
>> There is a carbon fiber decklid on ebay at the moment. Seller claims its
>> used but does appear to be in good shape. Price is 2500 bucks. I don't
>> think
>> I'm buying a 2500 decklid right now but who of our vendors sells them so
>> I
>> can budget and price compare against my options.new to used, etc? As well
>> as
>> fiberglass?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have rust ( of course) in the leading edge of my deck lid. I CAN repair
>> it.but it will be a painstaking process to do correctly, and keep heat
>> distortion minimized across the expansive diaphragm like character of
>> that
>> decklid. Like anything else im weighing my options for repairing the lid
>> I
>> have, vs. good replacement steel deck lid with no cancer, a fiberglass
>> lid
>> (
>> will mostly likely need hours upon hours of fitment work) or a carbon
>> fiber
>> lid. I assume they need to be fitted too.but I don't know how to work
>> carbon
>> fiber, if it can even be done? I can trim a panel like anyone, but if you
>> had to fill a carbon fiber panel to bring it into true.I honestly
>> wouldn't
>> know where to start.
>>
>>
>>
>> Keep in mind that labor doesn't particularly scare me, and the best
>> solution
>> for me is not usually to buy the version that solves my problems the
>> fastest
>> and easiest. I'm just thinking about practicality and logic..well and the
>> sexiness of a carbon fiber lid too.. ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you all for your thoughts.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cullen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:33:12 -0700 (PDT)
> From: John Bentley <gndplne at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] superchargers
> To: Pantera List <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <503072.96143.qm at web125404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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>
> I saw Paul Bowden's car in Reno and love the solution. ?Paul, are you out
> there and do you have a parts list? ?I'd like to find out if all the parts
> are still available or if anyone has already collected some and wants to
> sell. ?I think the supercharged/carburated solution would be perfect for
> me.
> Thanks,
> John
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:35:22 -0500
> From: gow2 at rc-tech.net
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
> To: "Cullen McCann" <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID:
> <2d26b2e17362f1e9bf28a4750ec00a79.squirrel at sm.webmail.pair.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>
> That can be welded with MIG and no heat distortion (with lots of
> patience). What part of the country do you live in?
>
>
>> Thank you Gary, as always..for your wisdom and documentation. My deck lid
>> is
>> damage and hail free...good everywhere EXCEPT for the back vertical
>> leading
>> edge which is riddled with holes. The holes go through only the outer
>> skin,
>> not into the structural brace ...I could have a completely new face
>> welded
>> in if it weren't for the risk of turning the entire decklid into a taco.
>> Kirk did advise me on hammer welding to reverse the affects of heat
>> distortion when we discussed it...and Ive also had reputable advice that
>> if
>> you weld it slow enough...( like over the course of many days) a person
>> could weld it up without moving much.
>>
>> To answer your question...im probably more comfortable with working the
>> fiberglass...but I think the metal can be saved if I took my time. I'll
>> shoot you a photo offline.
>>
>> Cullen
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gow2 at rc-tech.net [mailto:gow2 at rc-tech.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 12:36 PM
>> To: Cullen McCann
>> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
>>
>> If you want a carbon fiber look (which I think is quite neat) then a
>> carbon fiber deck lid is great. If you intend on painting it, I don's see
>> enough difference in strength or weight to mater between CF and
>> fiberglass.
>>
>> I chose Fiberglass because the fit is a crap shoot car to car. Some say
>> they fit well, some say they fit poorly. Some care more about gaps, and
>> some just get lucky. Every car is different enough I think it is a gamble
>> with carbon fiber. If you live close to a vendor where you can check the
>> fit before purchase that would personally be the only way I would buy
>> one.
>>
>>
>> his is the work I did to get the fiberglass lid to fit my car properly:
>>
>> http://www.rc-tech.net/pantera1/decklid/dl.htm
>>
>> How much work is that compared to repairing your steel decklid?
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>>> Hello friends,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There is a carbon fiber decklid on ebay at the moment. Seller claims its
>>> used but does appear to be in good shape. Price is 2500 bucks. I don't
>>> think
>>> I'm buying a 2500 decklid right now but who of our vendors sells them so
>>> I
>>> can budget and price compare against my options.new to used, etc? As
>>> well
>>> as
>>> fiberglass?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have rust ( of course) in the leading edge of my deck lid. I CAN
>>> repair
>>> it.but it will be a painstaking process to do correctly, and keep heat
>>> distortion minimized across the expansive diaphragm like character of
>>> that
>>> decklid. Like anything else im weighing my options for repairing the lid
>>> I
>>> have, vs. good replacement steel deck lid with no cancer, a fiberglass
>>> lid
>>> (
>>> will mostly likely need hours upon hours of fitment work) or a carbon
>>> fiber
>>> lid. I assume they need to be fitted too.but I don't know how to work
>>> carbon
>>> fiber, if it can even be done? I can trim a panel like anyone, but if
>>> you
>>> had to fill a carbon fiber panel to bring it into true.I honestly
>>> wouldn't
>>> know where to start.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Keep in mind that labor doesn't particularly scare me, and the best
>>> solution
>>> for me is not usually to buy the version that solves my problems the
>>> fastest
>>> and easiest. I'm just thinking about practicality and logic..well and
>>> the
>>> sexiness of a carbon fiber lid too.. ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you all for your thoughts.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cullen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:38:52 -0500
> From: "Cullen McCann" <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
> To: <gow2 at rc-tech.net>
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <00a601cc2ac2$4ff6fb30$efe4f190$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Good news....
>
> Central Oklahoma....
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gow2 at rc-tech.net [mailto:gow2 at rc-tech.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 1:35 PM
> To: Cullen McCann
> Cc: gow2 at rc-tech.net; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
>
> That can be welded with MIG and no heat distortion (with lots of
> patience). What part of the country do you live in?
>
>
>> Thank you Gary, as always..for your wisdom and documentation. My deck lid
>> is
>> damage and hail free...good everywhere EXCEPT for the back vertical
>> leading
>> edge which is riddled with holes. The holes go through only the outer
>> skin,
>> not into the structural brace ...I could have a completely new face
>> welded
>> in if it weren't for the risk of turning the entire decklid into a taco.
>> Kirk did advise me on hammer welding to reverse the affects of heat
>> distortion when we discussed it...and Ive also had reputable advice that
>> if
>> you weld it slow enough...( like over the course of many days) a person
>> could weld it up without moving much.
>>
>> To answer your question...im probably more comfortable with working the
>> fiberglass...but I think the metal can be saved if I took my time. I'll
>> shoot you a photo offline.
>>
>> Cullen
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gow2 at rc-tech.net [mailto:gow2 at rc-tech.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 12:36 PM
>> To: Cullen McCann
>> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
>>
>> If you want a carbon fiber look (which I think is quite neat) then a
>> carbon fiber deck lid is great. If you intend on painting it, I don's see
>> enough difference in strength or weight to mater between CF and
>> fiberglass.
>>
>> I chose Fiberglass because the fit is a crap shoot car to car. Some say
>> they fit well, some say they fit poorly. Some care more about gaps, and
>> some just get lucky. Every car is different enough I think it is a gamble
>> with carbon fiber. If you live close to a vendor where you can check the
>> fit before purchase that would personally be the only way I would buy
>> one.
>>
>>
>> his is the work I did to get the fiberglass lid to fit my car properly:
>>
>> http://www.rc-tech.net/pantera1/decklid/dl.htm
>>
>> How much work is that compared to repairing your steel decklid?
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>>> Hello friends,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There is a carbon fiber decklid on ebay at the moment. Seller claims its
>>> used but does appear to be in good shape. Price is 2500 bucks. I don't
>>> think
>>> I'm buying a 2500 decklid right now but who of our vendors sells them so
>>> I
>>> can budget and price compare against my options.new to used, etc? As
>>> well
>>> as
>>> fiberglass?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have rust ( of course) in the leading edge of my deck lid. I CAN
>>> repair
>>> it.but it will be a painstaking process to do correctly, and keep heat
>>> distortion minimized across the expansive diaphragm like character of
>>> that
>>> decklid. Like anything else im weighing my options for repairing the lid
>>> I
>>> have, vs. good replacement steel deck lid with no cancer, a fiberglass
>>> lid
>>> (
>>> will mostly likely need hours upon hours of fitment work) or a carbon
>>> fiber
>>> lid. I assume they need to be fitted too.but I don't know how to work
>>> carbon
>>> fiber, if it can even be done? I can trim a panel like anyone, but if
>>> you
>>> had to fill a carbon fiber panel to bring it into true.I honestly
>>> wouldn't
>>> know where to start.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Keep in mind that labor doesn't particularly scare me, and the best
>>> solution
>>> for me is not usually to buy the version that solves my problems the
>>> fastest
>>> and easiest. I'm just thinking about practicality and logic..well and
>>> the
>>> sexiness of a carbon fiber lid too.. ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you all for your thoughts.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cullen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:40:01 -0500
> From: gow2 at rc-tech.net
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
> To: "Cullen McCann" <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID:
> <f2e668e2cb24db6a18f9204a1d198f26.squirrel at sm.webmail.pair.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>
> LOL, want to bring it to southern Indiana?
>
>
>> Good news....
>>
>> Central Oklahoma....
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gow2 at rc-tech.net [mailto:gow2 at rc-tech.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 1:35 PM
>> To: Cullen McCann
>> Cc: gow2 at rc-tech.net; detomaso at realbig.com
>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
>>
>> That can be welded with MIG and no heat distortion (with lots of
>> patience). What part of the country do you live in?
>>
>>
>>> Thank you Gary, as always..for your wisdom and documentation. My deck
>>> lid
>>> is
>>> damage and hail free...good everywhere EXCEPT for the back vertical
>>> leading
>>> edge which is riddled with holes. The holes go through only the outer
>>> skin,
>>> not into the structural brace ...I could have a completely new face
>>> welded
>>> in if it weren't for the risk of turning the entire decklid into a taco.
>>> Kirk did advise me on hammer welding to reverse the affects of heat
>>> distortion when we discussed it...and Ive also had reputable advice that
>>> if
>>> you weld it slow enough...( like over the course of many days) a person
>>> could weld it up without moving much.
>>>
>>> To answer your question...im probably more comfortable with working the
>>> fiberglass...but I think the metal can be saved if I took my time. I'll
>>> shoot you a photo offline.
>>>
>>> Cullen
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: gow2 at rc-tech.net [mailto:gow2 at rc-tech.net]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 12:36 PM
>>> To: Cullen McCann
>>> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
>>>
>>> If you want a carbon fiber look (which I think is quite neat) then a
>>> carbon fiber deck lid is great. If you intend on painting it, I don's
>>> see
>>> enough difference in strength or weight to mater between CF and
>>> fiberglass.
>>>
>>> I chose Fiberglass because the fit is a crap shoot car to car. Some say
>>> they fit well, some say they fit poorly. Some care more about gaps, and
>>> some just get lucky. Every car is different enough I think it is a
>>> gamble
>>> with carbon fiber. If you live close to a vendor where you can check the
>>> fit before purchase that would personally be the only way I would buy
>>> one.
>>>
>>>
>>> his is the work I did to get the fiberglass lid to fit my car properly:
>>>
>>> http://www.rc-tech.net/pantera1/decklid/dl.htm
>>>
>>> How much work is that compared to repairing your steel decklid?
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello friends,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There is a carbon fiber decklid on ebay at the moment. Seller claims
>>>> its
>>>> used but does appear to be in good shape. Price is 2500 bucks. I don't
>>>> think
>>>> I'm buying a 2500 decklid right now but who of our vendors sells them
>>>> so
>>>> I
>>>> can budget and price compare against my options.new to used, etc? As
>>>> well
>>>> as
>>>> fiberglass?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have rust ( of course) in the leading edge of my deck lid. I CAN
>>>> repair
>>>> it.but it will be a painstaking process to do correctly, and keep heat
>>>> distortion minimized across the expansive diaphragm like character of
>>>> that
>>>> decklid. Like anything else im weighing my options for repairing the
>>>> lid
>>>> I
>>>> have, vs. good replacement steel deck lid with no cancer, a fiberglass
>>>> lid
>>>> (
>>>> will mostly likely need hours upon hours of fitment work) or a carbon
>>>> fiber
>>>> lid. I assume they need to be fitted too.but I don't know how to work
>>>> carbon
>>>> fiber, if it can even be done? I can trim a panel like anyone, but if
>>>> you
>>>> had to fill a carbon fiber panel to bring it into true.I honestly
>>>> wouldn't
>>>> know where to start.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Keep in mind that labor doesn't particularly scare me, and the best
>>>> solution
>>>> for me is not usually to buy the version that solves my problems the
>>>> fastest
>>>> and easiest. I'm just thinking about practicality and logic..well and
>>>> the
>>>> sexiness of a carbon fiber lid too.. ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you all for your thoughts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cullen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>
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>>
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 14:42:02 -0400
> From: clay willmott <claywillmott at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering rack....Again??!!Bump steer and
> noises
> To: Will Kooiman <wkooiman at earthlink.net>, Pantera Forum
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <SNT130-w57DA9D055E8D159B034472C4680 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
>
> Wheel bearings are tight, just checked them. They are the new kit from
> Quella and I drilled spindles and locked when i did it.Pads are new and
> brakes re built and all are tight and brakes work well.
> Rotors are turned and tight.The sway bar bushings look dry and old but
> doubt they could make that much noise? the brackets are not cracked
> anywhere.the A Arms bushing I did not replace, they were zerked and I
> grease them every now and then.
> The zerks on the lower a arms though wont accept grease so maybe the
> fittings are clogged.Can the bushings make that much noise?
> as for rack it turns freely while jacked up with no noise or clunks.It
> does feel a little like a ratchet or mild cogwheeling if that thats a
> decent description. Is that normal while car is up in the air?
> Cars feels tight and drive well under a load this is much more noticeable
> when driving slow of in parking lot or neighborhood.
> I checked all attachments A arms, brakes, shocks (new coil overs) and
> other than the bushings looking a little old on bottom a arms and front
> sway its all good.Other than maybe taking the spindle locks off and
> re-torqe in inch pounds (anyone remember specs so bearings dont overheat)
> and maybe replacing bushings on a arms im not so sure its the rack now??
> the steering column spindles are all tight and proper. sitting in car with
> it jacked up the steering feels very nice from the wheel.If it doesnt
> clunk at all is there any reason to pull it? also if I dont remove the new
> ball joints can the a arms bushings be replaced without re alignment?which
> bushings are good performance without excessive noise?
> thanksClay
>> From: wkooiman at earthlink.net
>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 23:27:04 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering rack....Again??!!Bump steer and noises
>>
>> Rattles, creaks, and groans?
>>
>> What about the wheel bearings?
>>
>> What about the rotors and pads?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Julian Kift
>> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 4:58 PM
>> To: doug351c at gmail.com; claywillmott at hotmail.com; De Tomaso List
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering rack....Again??!!Bump steer and noises
>>
>>
>> Personally I would suspect a suspension problem. Mechanical feeling can
>> easily be transmitted back through the tie rods, rack and be felt through
>> the steering wheel. Did your suspension rebuild change anything geometry
>> wise, is something binding when the suspension is unloaded now the rack
>> is
>> lower? Did you check the sway bar mounts during the rebuild process they
>> are
>> known to crack in two allowing the sway bar to move. As Doug says trying
>> moving it all around, maybe also try that in different unload positions
>> i.e.
>> wheels free from the ground, on ground suspension partially unloaded to
>> see
>> if you can detect/reproduce the problem.
>>
>> Good luck,
>> Julian
>>
>> > From: doug351c at gmail.com
>> > To: claywillmott at hotmail.com; detomaso at realbig.com
>> > Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:09:30 -0700
>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering rack....Again??!!Bump steer and noises
>> >
>> > Jack up one front corner at a time, grasp the tire at 3 and 9 o'clock,
>> > and
>> > rock the tire back and forth vigorously by hand. Hopefully you'll
>> hear/feel
>> > a clunk. If so, have someone else look for the source of the clunk
>> > while
>> > you rock the tire/wheel. Do this check on both sides.
>> >
>> > Doug Braun
>> > blue 73L #5505
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
>> > [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On Behalf Of clay willmott
>> > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 6:31 AM
>> > To: Pantera Forum
>> > Subject: [DeTomaso] steering rack....Again??!!Bump steer and noises
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I rebuilt the entire front suspension and then had the expert in
>> Cincinnati
>> > align and double check everything and 4 corner weight balance etc. he
>> > does
>> > the other panteras and is a suspension guy mainly and does some of the
>> > Lemans teams and said everything looked great.WHile doing this I used
>> > all
>> > the best parts and the car appears structurally sound at a arm sites of
>> > attachment.
>> > I had the rack out of the car and its an early 71 pushbutton car.I had
>> > the
>> > suspension guy inspect the rack, it had a bronze bushing and the set
>> > screw
>> > is intact. I told him rebuild he said didnt need it and he took it
>> > apart
>> (i
>> > think).I also purchased the bump steer kit from a Poca member and
>> > mounted
>> > all that before final alignment.
>> > The car while driving 5 mph on even a decent road has a lot of noise
>> > such
>> as
>> > rattles creaks and groans coming from the rack and I can feel it
>> transmitted
>> > to hands from steering wheel. Its even more noisy with any small bumps
>> into
>> > driveway or just the tiny bumps in road of neighborhood while driving
>> > very
>> > slow and not turning the wheel. These are seams in the road and cannot
>> > be
>> > felt or heard in any normal car fyi. Sounds like something is loose or
>> > wants to fall apart. When turning wheel right to left its also noisy
>> > but
>> > even before the guy "re built or inspected the rack", whatever he did
>> > to
>> it,
>> > it never had the big single clunk everyone talks about.
>> > Is the rack bad? I was told it wasnt bad when i had it out?also, I did
>> find
>> > it difficult to mount the bump steer kit but the bolts are tight.
>> > Nothing
>> > appears loose. However it seems the tie rods are angled a bit due to
>> > the
>> > bump steer kit?
>> > I guess my three questions are:
>> > 1. Is the Bump steer kit making matters worse?2. Is the rack bad?3. If
>> > I
>> > remove the bump steer and remount old way I doubt that would fix
>> > problem
>> but
>> > would alignment change? Hoping to fix all this without big money
>> > alignment
>> > again.
>> > thankswanna get this fixed, again!
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> Message: 20
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 20:51:32 +0200
> From: " J?rn C. Olsen " <joernco at online.no>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
> To: "'Julian Kift'" <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, <kenn_green at yahoo.com>,
> "'De Tomaso List'" <detomaso at realbig.com>, <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
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> ...the real thing!!!!!
> http://www.jpc.se/a/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&categor
> y_id=6&Itemid=1&vmcchk=1&Itemid=1
>
>
> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
> Fra: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] P?
> vegne av Julian Kift
> Sendt: 14. juni 2011 19:35
> Til: kenn_green at yahoo.com; De Tomaso List; cmccann1972 at gmail.com
> Emne: Re: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
>
>
> Yeah you can't exactly trim a CF decklid if you want to retain the carbon
> look, whereas with a glass one you can modify as required. Be aware that
> nearly all the CF decklids for sale in the US are a Carbon overlay
> (aesthetic only) of a fiberglass decklid and just as heavy if not heavier.
> There's one company I'm aware of in Europe producing true Carbon units.
>
> Julian
>
>> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:22:41 -0700
>> From: kenn_green at yahoo.com
>> To: detomaso at realbig.com; cmccann1972 at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
>>
>> Cullen,
>>
>> I have a 20 pound deck made of Barotex
>> (http://barotextechnology.com/)
> which was made from a mold of my early 72 deck. It fits the 72 really
> well,
> but is a poor fit to a 73 and would require serious mods. Others have
> also
> said there are differences, but I'm not sure if they are early to late
> cars,
> or each car is different.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> --- On Tue, 6/14/11, Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 9:34 AM
>>
>>
>> Hello friends,
>>
>>
>>
>> There is a carbon fiber decklid on ebay at the moment. Seller claims
>> its used but does appear to be in good shape. Price is 2500 bucks. I
>> don't think I'm buying a 2500 decklid right now but who of our vendors
>> sells them so I can budget and price compare against my options.new to
>> used, etc? As well as fiberglass?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have rust ( of course) in the leading edge of my deck lid. I CAN
>> repair it.but it will be a painstaking process to do correctly, and
>> keep heat distortion minimized across the expansive diaphragm like
>> character of that decklid. Like anything else im weighing my options
>> for repairing the lid I have, vs. good replacement steel deck lid with
>> no cancer, a fiberglass lid ( will mostly likely need hours upon hours
>> of fitment work) or a carbon fiber lid. I assume they need to be
>> fitted too.but I don't know how to work carbon fiber, if it can even
>> be done? I can trim a panel like anyone, but if you had to fill a
>> carbon fiber panel to bring it into true.I honestly wouldn't know where
>> to
> start.
>>
>>
>>
>> Keep in mind that labor doesn't particularly scare me, and the best
>> solution for me is not usually to buy the version that solves my
>> problems the fastest and easiest. I'm just thinking about practicality
>> and logic..well and the sexiness of a carbon fiber lid too.. ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you all for your thoughts.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cullen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 21
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:52:28 -0500
> From: "Cullen McCann" <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
> To: <gow2 at rc-tech.net>
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
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>
> Haha.....If you accept visitors, I would love to come to Indiana just to
> hang around your project for a few weeks and slow you down with questions
> and prodding, raid your fridge, sleep on the couch....but alas....I won't
> do
> that to you. Your website is honestly very helpful as it is.
>
> Thank you for all your help Gary. When I get ready to get in
> deconstructive
> mode, I appreciate the offer, I might have to bend your ear a little...
>
> Cullen
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gow2 at rc-tech.net [mailto:gow2 at rc-tech.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 1:40 PM
> To: Cullen McCann
> Cc: gow2 at rc-tech.net; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
>
> LOL, want to bring it to southern Indiana?
>
>
>> Good news....
>>
>> Central Oklahoma....
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gow2 at rc-tech.net [mailto:gow2 at rc-tech.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 1:35 PM
>> To: Cullen McCann
>> Cc: gow2 at rc-tech.net; detomaso at realbig.com
>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
>>
>> That can be welded with MIG and no heat distortion (with lots of
>> patience). What part of the country do you live in?
>>
>>
>>> Thank you Gary, as always..for your wisdom and documentation. My deck
>>> lid
>>> is
>>> damage and hail free...good everywhere EXCEPT for the back vertical
>>> leading
>>> edge which is riddled with holes. The holes go through only the outer
>>> skin,
>>> not into the structural brace ...I could have a completely new face
>>> welded
>>> in if it weren't for the risk of turning the entire decklid into a taco.
>>> Kirk did advise me on hammer welding to reverse the affects of heat
>>> distortion when we discussed it...and Ive also had reputable advice that
>>> if
>>> you weld it slow enough...( like over the course of many days) a person
>>> could weld it up without moving much.
>>>
>>> To answer your question...im probably more comfortable with working the
>>> fiberglass...but I think the metal can be saved if I took my time. I'll
>>> shoot you a photo offline.
>>>
>>> Cullen
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: gow2 at rc-tech.net [mailto:gow2 at rc-tech.net]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 12:36 PM
>>> To: Cullen McCann
>>> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
>>>
>>> If you want a carbon fiber look (which I think is quite neat) then a
>>> carbon fiber deck lid is great. If you intend on painting it, I don's
>>> see
>>> enough difference in strength or weight to mater between CF and
>>> fiberglass.
>>>
>>> I chose Fiberglass because the fit is a crap shoot car to car. Some say
>>> they fit well, some say they fit poorly. Some care more about gaps, and
>>> some just get lucky. Every car is different enough I think it is a
>>> gamble
>>> with carbon fiber. If you live close to a vendor where you can check the
>>> fit before purchase that would personally be the only way I would buy
>>> one.
>>>
>>>
>>> his is the work I did to get the fiberglass lid to fit my car properly:
>>>
>>> http://www.rc-tech.net/pantera1/decklid/dl.htm
>>>
>>> How much work is that compared to repairing your steel decklid?
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello friends,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There is a carbon fiber decklid on ebay at the moment. Seller claims
>>>> its
>>>> used but does appear to be in good shape. Price is 2500 bucks. I don't
>>>> think
>>>> I'm buying a 2500 decklid right now but who of our vendors sells them
>>>> so
>>>> I
>>>> can budget and price compare against my options.new to used, etc? As
>>>> well
>>>> as
>>>> fiberglass?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have rust ( of course) in the leading edge of my deck lid. I CAN
>>>> repair
>>>> it.but it will be a painstaking process to do correctly, and keep heat
>>>> distortion minimized across the expansive diaphragm like character of
>>>> that
>>>> decklid. Like anything else im weighing my options for repairing the
>>>> lid
>>>> I
>>>> have, vs. good replacement steel deck lid with no cancer, a fiberglass
>>>> lid
>>>> (
>>>> will mostly likely need hours upon hours of fitment work) or a carbon
>>>> fiber
>>>> lid. I assume they need to be fitted too.but I don't know how to work
>>>> carbon
>>>> fiber, if it can even be done? I can trim a panel like anyone, but if
>>>> you
>>>> had to fill a carbon fiber panel to bring it into true.I honestly
>>>> wouldn't
>>>> know where to start.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Keep in mind that labor doesn't particularly scare me, and the best
>>>> solution
>>>> for me is not usually to buy the version that solves my problems the
>>>> fastest
>>>> and easiest. I'm just thinking about practicality and logic..well and
>>>> the
>>>> sexiness of a carbon fiber lid too.. ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you all for your thoughts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cullen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>>
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> Message: 22
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:54:22 -0700
> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
> To: <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, De Tomaso List <detomaso at realbig.com>,
> <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
> Message-ID: <SNT116-W575A3879139CD070B7BBAB95680 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> Personally I'd want more than just that weight number to be sure, the Euro
> true CF's are like 3kg (~6lb), my glass fiber one is less than 20lb, so
> until confirmed otherwise I'd assume it's an overlay, mostly because I
> know of no one in the US producing true CF units. Of course even if it
> does turn out to be an all CF unit it depends if it was hand laid (still
> mostly aesthetic) versus vacuum formed and autoclaved for strength and
> lightness.
>
> Here's a link to the European decklids (they had doors at one point too),
> prices are in Swedish Krona and a rear decklid works out at a little over
> $3K, which compared to the almost equivalent price of a carbon overlay
> unit here in the US is a great deal IMO. You'd need a group buy to warrant
> bulk shipping though.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3oft6zv
>
> Julian
>
>
>
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:24:11 -0700
> From: kenn_green at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
> To: julian_kift at hotmail.com; detomaso at realbig.com; cmccann1972 at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I emailed the seller and he said it is something less than 20 pounds, if
> that is accurate, it is probably all carbon fiber.
>
> Ken
>
> --- On Tue, 6/14/11, Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
> To: "'Julian Kift'" <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, kenn_green at yahoo.com, "'De
> Tomaso List'" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 11:19 AM
>
>
> Wow.I get back from lunch and already have informative reading. Thanks
> Julian for this info on the overlays.I didn't know that at all.that does
> change my perspective. I definitely am not paying 2500 bucks or more for
> an
> imitation decklid.even though the fiber is fiberlous..
>
>
>
> From: Julian Kift [mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 12:35 PM
> To: kenn_green at yahoo.com; De Tomaso List; cmccann1972 at gmail.com
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
>
>
>
> Yeah you can't exactly trim a CF decklid if you want to retain the carbon
> look, whereas with a glass one you can modify as required. Be aware that
> nearly all the CF decklids for sale in the US are a Carbon overlay
> (aesthetic only) of a fiberglass decklid and just as heavy if not heavier.
> There's one company I'm aware of in Europe producing true Carbon units.
>
> Julian
>
>> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:22:41 -0700
>> From: kenn_green at yahoo.com
>> To: detomaso at realbig.com; cmccann1972 at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
>>
>> Cullen,
>>
>> I have a 20 pound deck made of Barotex
>> (http://barotextechnology.com/)
> which was made from a mold of my early 72 deck. It fits the 72 really
> well,
> but is a poor fit to a 73 and would require serious mods. Others have
> also
> said there are differences, but I'm not sure if they are early to late
> cars,
> or each car is different.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> --- On Tue, 6/14/11, Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 9:34 AM
>>
>>
>> Hello friends,
>>
>>
>>
>> There is a carbon fiber decklid on ebay at the moment. Seller claims its
>> used but does appear to be in good shape. Price is 2500 bucks. I don't
> think
>> I'm buying a 2500 decklid right now but who of our vendors sells them so
>> I
>> can budget and price compare against my options.new to used, etc? As well
> as
>> fiberglass?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have rust ( of course) in the leading edge of my deck lid. I CAN repair
>> it.but it will be a painstaking process to do correctly, and keep heat
>> distortion minimized across the expansive diaphragm like character of
>> that
>> decklid. Like anything else im weighing my options for repairing the lid
>> I
>> have, vs. good replacement steel deck lid with no cancer, a fiberglass
>> lid
> (
>> will mostly likely need hours upon hours of fitment work) or a carbon
> fiber
>> lid. I assume they need to be fitted too.but I don't know how to work
> carbon
>> fiber, if it can even be done? I can trim a panel like anyone, but if you
>> had to fill a carbon fiber panel to bring it into true.I honestly
>> wouldn't
>> know where to start.
>>
>>
>>
>> Keep in mind that labor doesn't particularly scare me, and the best
> solution
>> for me is not usually to buy the version that solves my problems the
> fastest
>> and easiest. I'm just thinking about practicality and logic..well and the
>> sexiness of a carbon fiber lid too.. ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you all for your thoughts.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cullen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 23
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:49:11 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] superchargers
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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>
>
>
> John,
>
> That conversion was done years ago by Steve Wilkinson.
>
> Paul bought that car as you saw it. It was once owned by PCNC member Rod
> Pack.
>
> Tom Padula of PCNC also has that conversion, but he converted to
> Weber-style
> throttle-bodies and fuel injection.
>
> Steve no longer supports the installation.
>
> Magnacharger no longer supports the blowers. (Of course, with money, a
> machinist can provide
> anything you ask of him).
>
> There may well be units stashed on garage shelves here and there, but as
> for just easily gathering
> the needed pieces and putting it all together, I think you are about 20-25
> years too late.
>
> Larry
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:22:07 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
> To: De Tomaso List <detomaso at realbig.com>, cmccann1972 at gmail.com,
> Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Message-ID: <618571.1207.qm at web30801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> I think the very light weight carbon fiber decks are made in an autoclave
> which is expensive but very good.? But in the past, I thought people said
> the fiberglass rear decks were about 40 pounds?
> ?
> Ken
>
> --- On Tue, 6/14/11, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
> To: kenn_green at yahoo.com, "De Tomaso List" <detomaso at realbig.com>,
> cmccann1972 at gmail.com
> Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 11:54 AM
>
>
>
> Personally I'd want more than just that weight number to be sure, the Euro
> true CF's are like 3kg (~6lb), my glass fiber one is less than 20lb, so
> until confirmed otherwise I'd assume it's an overlay, mostly because I
> know of no one in the US producing true CF units. Of course even if it
> does turn out to be an all CF unit it depends if it was hand laid (still
> mostly aesthetic) versus vacuum formed and autoclaved for strength and
> lightness.
>
> Here's a link to the European decklids (they had doors at one point too),
> prices are in Swedish Krona and a rear decklid works out at a little over
> $3K, which compared to the almost equivalent price of a carbon overlay
> unit here in the US is a great deal IMO. You'd need a group buy to warrant
> bulk shipping though.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3oft6zv
>
> Julian
>
>
>
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:24:11 -0700
> From: kenn_green at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
> To: julian_kift at hotmail.com; detomaso at realbig.com; cmccann1972 at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I emailed the seller and he said it is something less than 20 pounds, if
> that is accurate, it is probably all carbon fiber.
>
> Ken
>
> --- On Tue, 6/14/11, Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
> To: "'Julian Kift'" <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, kenn_green at yahoo.com, "'De
> Tomaso List'" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 11:19 AM
>
>
> Wow.I get back from lunch and already have informative reading. Thanks
> Julian for this info on the overlays.I didn't know that at all.that does
> change my perspective. I definitely am not paying 2500 bucks or more for
> an
> imitation decklid.even though the fiber is fiberlous..
>
>
>
> From: Julian Kift [mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 12:35 PM
> To: kenn_green at yahoo.com; De Tomaso List; cmccann1972 at gmail.com
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
>
>
>
> Yeah you can't exactly trim a CF decklid if you want to retain the carbon
> look, whereas with a glass one you can modify as required. Be aware that
> nearly all the CF decklids for sale in the US are a Carbon overlay
> (aesthetic only) of a fiberglass decklid and just as heavy if not heavier.
> There's one company I'm aware of in Europe producing true Carbon units.
>
> Julian
>
>> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:22:41 -0700
>> From: kenn_green at yahoo.com
>> To: detomaso at realbig.com; cmccann1972 at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
>>
>> Cullen,
>>?
>>? ???I have a 20 pound deck made of Barotex
>>(http://barotextechnology.com/)
> which was made from a mold of my early 72 deck.? It fits the 72 really
> well,
> but is a poor fit to a 73 and would require serious mods.? Others have
> also
> said there are differences, but I'm not sure if they are early to late
> cars,
> or each car is different.
>>?
>> Ken
>>
>> --- On Tue, 6/14/11, Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 9:34 AM
>>
>>
>> Hello friends,
>>
>>
>>
>> There is a carbon fiber decklid on ebay at the moment. Seller claims its
>> used but does appear to be in good shape. Price is 2500 bucks. I don't
> think
>> I'm buying a 2500 decklid right now but who of our vendors sells them so
>> I
>> can budget and price compare against my options.new to used, etc? As well
> as
>> fiberglass?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have rust ( of course) in the leading edge of my deck lid. I CAN repair
>> it.but it will be a painstaking process to do correctly, and keep heat
>> distortion minimized across the expansive diaphragm like character of
>> that
>> decklid. Like anything else im weighing my options for repairing the lid
>> I
>> have, vs. good replacement steel deck lid with no cancer, a fiberglass
>> lid
> (
>> will mostly likely need hours upon hours of fitment work) or a carbon
> fiber
>> lid. I assume they need to be fitted too.but I don't know how to work
> carbon
>> fiber, if it can even be done? I can trim a panel like anyone, but if you
>> had to fill a carbon fiber panel to bring it into true.I honestly
>> wouldn't
>> know where to start.
>>
>>
>>
>> Keep in mind that labor doesn't particularly scare me, and the best
> solution
>> for me is not usually to buy the version that solves my problems the
> fastest
>> and easiest. I'm just thinking about practicality and logic..well and the
>> sexiness of a carbon fiber lid too..? ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you all for your thoughts.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cullen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 25
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:46:04 EDT
> From: JDeRyke at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Glass and Fiber Decklids
> To: kenn_green at yahoo.com, detomaso at realbig.com
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> In a message dated 6/14/11 2:31:17 PM, kenn_green at yahoo.com writes:
>
>> I think the very light weight carbon fiber decks are made in an autoclave
>> which is expensive but very good.? But in the past, I thought people said
>> the fiberglass rear decks were about 40 pounds?
>>
>
> Larry Stock's fiberglas ones are around that weight (he's said his
> fabricator could also make them of carbon cloth if required- for way more
> money).
> But his street panels also contain embedded metal plates for bolting on
> your
> stock decklid hinges, your stock latch and your two lift cylinders.
> Mostly,
> carbon-fiber pieces are racing parts that are held on by simple pins, so
> I'd
> ask many questions if you want the ultimate weight loss from these
> potentially very lightweight panels. FWIW- J DeRyke
>
>
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>
> Message: 26
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:49:03 -0700
> From: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Don Peak Service Award
> To: "'Jim Cozzolino'" <cozland at cox.net>, "'DeTomaso Forum'"
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <A6759C7A6A9A4C20A143534DA72CF490 at MBET>
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>
> Coz.
>
> Boy, did I mess up. My apologies to you Coz and to Bob. You received the
> Bill Santos Memorial Award for recognition of outstanding volunteer
> service.
> Bob Reid received the Don Peak award. I couldn't recall which it was
> exactly, and when I checked the program, I missed the Bill Santos Award on
> the next page. Still a great honor to you Coz, and well deserved.
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Cozzolino [mailto:cozland at cox.net]
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 10:49 PM
> To: 'Mike Thomas'; 'DeTomaso Forum'
> Subject: Don Peak Service Award
>
> I was just informed I was awarded the Don Peak Service Award at the 2011
> POCA Fun Rally.
> It very much saddens me that I couldn't be there to accept it with the
> honor
> it deserves.
>
> I wanted to be there, not for the award, but to be able to share the time
> with so many people that I care about and love to spend time with.
>
> As many of you know, my Mom passed away June 4th and it became impossible
> for me to get away from my family responsibility and believe me, it was a
> time I really could have used the company of my Pantera family to ease the
> pain I am going through.
>
> I am truly honored to be chosen for this award knowing the meaning and
> sprit
> it is awarded for on behalf of Don Peak, it means a lot to me and I thank
> all of you with all my heart.
>
> I will treasure it always.
> Coz
>
>
>
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> Message: 27
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 23:47:12 EDT
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Window motor
> To: ehpantera at yahoo.com, detomaso at realbig.com
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>
> In a message dated 6/12/11 14 20 7, ehpantera at yahoo.com writes:
>
>
>> My pass window goes down but not up. When I push the switch to go up,
>> there is a slight buzzing (arcing)?sound in the motor.? Does it need to
>> be
>> replaced or rebuilt?
>>
>
> I would suspect the plastic gear to be the fault, unless you know for a
> fact they have been changed to brass.
>
> Get in there and take a look--disconnect the motor and see if it works
> without any load?
>
> Mike
>
>
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> Message: 28
> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:12:32 EDT
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cast your vote for a Pantera
> To: fresnofinches at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
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>
> In a message dated 6/13/11 13 16 46, fresnofinches at aol.com writes:
>
>
>> Sports Car Market magazine is running an online tallied vote to determine
>> which of four cars would be your choice to cause the biggest stir at this
>> year's
>> Concorso Italiano
>>
>> One of the cars is....a Pantera
>>
>> We DO seem to be getting more mention and respect in the recent
>> automotive
>> press.
>>
>> Of course, I know you will want to cast your vote.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/Pantera-VOTE
>>
>
> I HAD to help stack the deck and vote for the Pantera, but truthfully, the
> Lamborghini-powered Bizzarrini P538 would blow it away in terms of the WOW
> factor.
>
> Mike
>
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