[TPR] What we are about . . . .

Sat Dec 3 17:53:19 PST 2011

Young AJ,
Have to side w/ JB - scattering a motor at the event is probably no fun AND added expense.
Also, Chuck is right - choose your slope to match your SWMBO [1] and budget.

The $$$ thing that must be done is the clutch.  We have jets for the holley . . .   As I remember you do NEED the wheels/tires for the event, correct?  (Don't let the wheel cost keep you home. I'm sure the Pope could be encouraged to cut you some slack if needed.)  Seems like the other stuff could be added as funds become available.

Unless some of the museum pieces sell, I'll just be decorating the neighborhood for a while.  It sure would be nice to get the yellow car (Pantera) back in action . . . . .

Sleep on it. (here's a lullaby for you) mwahahahahaMWAHAHAHAHHAhem.
http://www.youtube.com/user/IckyOldMan#p/a/u/0/rsGxgysQxSM

I understand your angst (is that a word?), I often have suffer some sort of parallel sexual excitement when I hear a good motor or the Summit catalog arrives . . . . 

All the best to you and yours,

David

[1] She Who Must Be Obeyed
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Asa Jay Laughton 
  To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 4:51 PM
  Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

  You're excellency,

  There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a refrigerator specifically designated for beer.  Although it's not normally stocked, it miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay.  And one of the natives has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.

  I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something, which I sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and drive away.  So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the other... how cool would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was made?  ...   WOW!

  The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in -over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.

  The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly 80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could use for new rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again, the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.

  If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would most likely happen in January and would look something like this:

  - Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
  - Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
      - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
      - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
      - Remove fan belts and fan
      - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if necessary)
      - Remove alternator
      - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
      - Remove carb, tape over intake
      - Remove distributor
      - Unbolt headers at head
      - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
      - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
      - Put the engine on a stand
  - Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
  - Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
      - Remove the decklid
      - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt radiator)
      - Drain engine oil
      - Drain ZF gear oil
      - Unhook fuel line and cork
      - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
      - Unhook all wiring, set aside
      - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
      - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
      - Remove A/C Condensor
      - Unhook headers
      - Unhook transmission linkage
      - Unhook transmission wiring
      - Unhook half-shafts
      - Remove clutch slave, set aside
      - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
  - Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
      - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
      - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
      - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine, otherwise.... more money)
  - Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

  But then.....
  - I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB on there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach I engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
  - I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
  - If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting doughnuts. (more money)
  - If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system, ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in the engine bay)
  - Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.

  So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get that darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and "practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

  Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and coveted my neighbors ponies.

  Asa Jay    

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  On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
    So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).

    Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor, use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped something big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels, too.

    Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 

    Morally unemployed,
    David in Durango

    [1] next winter = appropriate economic time
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Asa Jay Laughton 
      To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
      Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM
      Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

      AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

      The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
      The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
      nnnnnnngh......
      I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
      rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
      It's winter........
      I'm not driving the car......
      mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
      Must.... resist.... temptation.

      If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the car and I can't have that.

      must.... resist....

      Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
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      On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related

        just in case you've forgotten.

        Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!

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