From asajay at asajay.com  Fri Dec  2 10:07:44 2011
From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 18:07:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TPR] Asa Jay Laughton wants you to see this review at Amazon.com
Message-ID: <urn.correios.msg.201112021807440e0ce8c3b8d24470a5db1e6e4c483c53@1322849264469.rte-svc-na-i-81e1a9eb.us-east-1.amazon.com>

Amazon.com: Online Shopping for Electronics, Apparel, Computers, Books, DVDs & more 
 Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> requested that we send this e-mail. If you have questions about Amazon.com, please visit our Help Department(http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/508510/ref=cm_sw_em_r_asr_Z8FqC.1DXH9MJ_h). 

  
      Asa writes: 
  Back in 2008, TPR President Dennis "Mad Dawg" Antenucci gave me an old Garmin GPS III Plus in hopes I might put it to use myself in some upcoming ORR.  When I moved to a new Windows7 64-bit computer, I no longer had any serial ports to plug this in to do data analysis.

I know some of you have used or are still using this same kind of GPS (the older ones that work better and are more accurate).  So if you have one of these that requires a serial port, and you're running a newfangled computer -without- serial ports, check out the review I just wrote on Amazon for a product that saved the day.

Asa Jay

  
    
  
  






























  
  
      












    







    
    


    
    
    
    Resurrected my Garmin GPS III Plus, December 2, 2011
byAsa Jay Laughton

After moving to a 64-bit Windows computer running Windows 7, I no longer had serial ports to communicate with older equipment. Based on reviews of this and other cables, I decided to try this one. I'm also familiar with the FTDI driver set as we use them in some of our products. This serial to USB cable uses the well-known FTDI VCP driver set to make a USB port look just like a serial port. Although the cable...

Continue reading on Amazon.com: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/review/R2O8H2VQNPNQNG/ref=cm_sw_em_r_asr_Z8FqC.1DXH9MJ_r">

This review is from: USB to RS232 Serial DB9 Cable Adapter FTDI Chipset 10 Feet Supports Windows 7 64bit (Electronics)

    USB to RS232 Serial DB9 Cable Adapter FTDI Chipset 10 Feet Supports Windows 7 64bit 
  by Valley 
    
To view this item, go to: 
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From teampantera at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  2 11:06:27 2011
From: teampantera at yahoo.com (Mad Dog Antenucci)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 11:06:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay Laughton wants you
	to see this review at Amazon.com
In-Reply-To: <urn.correios.msg.201112021807440e0ce8c3b8d24470a5db1e6e4c483c53@1322849264469.rte-svc-na-i-81e1a9eb.us-east-1.amazon.com>
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I didn't 'give-it' to you....I DONATED it to you SLACKER..... because you said you were gonna run an open road race....that was back in 2008....that part about the YEAR you got right.?

What year is it now?
LOL.....Okay just kidding.

Merry Christmas....happy holidays to everyone including AJ ;-)>

Any of you see or read on the news about the wind storms we have here in California?
Remember that 100 foot pine tree behind my house?

The wind storm that 100' pine tree down behind my house....I felt dramatized and all most cried.....fortunately it landed on my neighbors house....okay maybe NOT his house..... but it wasn't on MY house either! ;-)>

Thanking the Pantera Gods
?
Mad "Lucky' Dawg Antenucci 
Team Pantera Racing 
The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing 
www.teampanteraracing.com


________________________________
 From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
To: "tpr at teampanteraracing.com" <tpr at teampanteraracing.com> 
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 10:07 AM
Subject: [TPR] Asa Jay Laughton wants you to see this review at Amazon.com
 

 
Asa Jay Laughton requested that we send this e-mail. If you have questions about Amazon.com, please visit our Help Department . 
? 
 Asa writes:
Back in 2008, TPR President Dennis "Mad Dawg" Antenucci gave me an old Garmin GPS III Plus in hopes I might put it to use myself in some upcoming ORR.  When I moved to a new Windows7 64-bit computer, I no longer had any serial ports to plug this in to do data analysis.

I know some of you have used or are still using this same kind of GPS (the older ones that work better and are more accurate).  So if you have one of these that requires a serial port, and you're running a newfangled computer -without- serial ports, check out the review I just wrote on Amazon for a product that saved the day.

Asa Jay
  
? 
? 
?  Resurrected my Garmin GPS III Plus, December 2, 2011 
by Asa Jay Laughton 

After moving to a 64-bit Windows computer running Windows 7, I no longer had serial ports to communicate with older equipment. Based on reviews of this and other cables, I decided to try this one. I'm also familiar with the FTDI driver set as we use them in some of our products. This serial to USB cable uses the well-known FTDI VCP driver set to make a USB port look just like a serial port. Although the cable...
Continue reading on Amazon.com  ? 
? 
This review is from: USB to RS232 Serial DB9 Cable Adapter FTDI Chipset 10 Feet Supports Windows 7 64bit (Electronics) 
? 
? 
  ? USB to RS232 Serial DB9 Cable Adapter FTDI Chipset 10 Feet Supports Windows 7 64bit 
by Valley 
?(9 customer reviews)  
Price:   ? $27.95  
In Stock
 ?  

? 
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From asajay at asajay.com  Fri Dec  2 12:24:38 2011
From: asajay at asajay.com (asajay at asajay.com)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 12:24:38 -0800
Subject: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay Laughton
	wants	you to see this review at Amazon.com
In-Reply-To: <1322852787.81283.YahooMailNeo@web121918.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <urn.correios.msg.201112021807440e0ce8c3b8d24470a5db1e6e4c483c53@1322849264469.rte-svc-na-i-81e1a9eb.us-east-1.amazon.com>
	<1322852787.81283.YahooMailNeo@web121918.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111202122438.xi82matz4wgkkgcc@webmail.asajay.com>

Quoting Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>:

> ....I felt  dramatized and all most cried.....

You my friend... are always DRAMATIZED!  :)

and yea... I'm hoping to use that donation next year if I can get  
things properly ready.

Asa Jay


From adin at frontier.net  Fri Dec  2 18:14:25 2011
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 19:14:25 -0700
Subject: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay
	Laughtonwants	you to see this review at Amazon.com
References: <urn.correios.msg.201112021807440e0ce8c3b8d24470a5db1e6e4c483c53@1322849264469.rte-svc-na-i-81e1a9eb.us-east-1.amazon.com><1322852787.81283.YahooMailNeo@web121918.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<20111202122438.xi82matz4wgkkgcc@webmail.asajay.com>
Message-ID: <06C99F922BB945DABE22B172B9A892FF@ZTxp>

Well, AJ . . .  I'm saving a set of wheels for you - hope you can make it!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <asajay at asajay.com>
To: <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay Laughtonwants 
you to see this review at Amazon.com


> Quoting Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>:
>
>> ....I felt  dramatized and all most cried.....
>
> You my friend... are always DRAMATIZED!  :)
>
> and yea... I'm hoping to use that donation next year if I can get
> things properly ready.
>
> Asa Jay
> _______________________________________________
> TPR mailing list
> TPR at teampanteraracing.com
> http://lists.teampanteraracing.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tpr
>
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>
> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
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From asajay at asajay.com  Fri Dec  2 19:47:02 2011
From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 19:47:02 -0800
Subject: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay	Laughtonwants
 you to see this review at Amazon.com
In-Reply-To: <06C99F922BB945DABE22B172B9A892FF@ZTxp>
References: <urn.correios.msg.201112021807440e0ce8c3b8d24470a5db1e6e4c483c53@1322849264469.rte-svc-na-i-81e1a9eb.us-east-1.amazon.com><1322852787.81283.YahooMailNeo@web121918.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>	<20111202122438.xi82matz4wgkkgcc@webmail.asajay.com>
	<06C99F922BB945DABE22B172B9A892FF@ZTxp>
Message-ID: <4ED99BB6.9080207@asajay.com>

I'm trying to save up for those first, I've not forgotten and hate for 
my integrity to wear thin.

Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
&  Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/2/2011 6:14 PM, David in Durango wrote:
> Well, AJ . . .  I'm saving a set of wheels for you - hope you can make it!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:<asajay at asajay.com>
> To:<tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay Laughtonwants
> you to see this review at Amazon.com
>
>
>> Quoting Mad Dog Antenucci<teampantera at yahoo.com>:
>>
>>> ....I felt  dramatized and all most cried.....
>> You my friend... are always DRAMATIZED!  :)
>>
>> and yea... I'm hoping to use that donation next year if I can get
>> things properly ready.
>>
>> Asa Jay
>> _______________________________________________
>> TPR mailing list
>> TPR at teampanteraracing.com
>> http://lists.teampanteraracing.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tpr
>>
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>> signature database 6679 (20111202) __________
>>
>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>>
>> http://www.eset.com
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>
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>
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From adin at frontier.net  Fri Dec  2 20:07:36 2011
From: adin at frontier.net (David)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 21:07:36 -0700
Subject: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay	Laughtonwants
	you to see this review at Amazon.com
In-Reply-To: <4ED99BB6.9080207@asajay.com>
References: <urn.correios.msg.201112021807440e0ce8c3b8d24470a5db1e6e4c483c53@1322849264469.rte-svc-na-i-81e1a9eb.us-east-1.amazon.com>
	<1322852787.81283.YahooMailNeo@web121918.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<20111202122438.xi82matz4wgkkgcc@webmail.asajay.com>
	<06C99F922BB945DABE22B172B9A892FF@ZTxp>
	<4ED99BB6.9080207@asajay.com>
Message-ID: <5117A4B6-7F00-4FEB-B8E4-A92F271203A6@frontier.net>

Your integrity is fine. Just checking. 

Let me know any needs/concerns/deadlines. 

On Dec 2, 2011, at 8:47 PM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:

> I'm trying to save up for those first, I've not forgotten and hate for 
> my integrity to wear thin.
> 
> Asa Jay
> 
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> &  Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
> 
> 
> On 12/2/2011 6:14 PM, David in Durango wrote:
>> Well, AJ . . .  I'm saving a set of wheels for you - hope you can make it!
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From:<asajay at asajay.com>
>> To:<tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay Laughtonwants
>> you to see this review at Amazon.com
>> 
>> 
>>> Quoting Mad Dog Antenucci<teampantera at yahoo.com>:
>>> 
>>>> ....I felt  dramatized and all most cried.....
>>> You my friend... are always DRAMATIZED!  :)
>>> 
>>> and yea... I'm hoping to use that donation next year if I can get
>>> things properly ready.
>>> 
>>> Asa Jay
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TPR mailing list
>>> TPR at teampanteraracing.com
>>> http://lists.teampanteraracing.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tpr
>>> 
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>>> signature database 6679 (20111202) __________
>>> 
>>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>>> 
>>> http://www.eset.com
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>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> http://www.eset.com
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From teampantera at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  3 08:54:25 2011
From: teampantera at yahoo.com (Mad Dog Antenucci)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 08:54:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay Laughtonwants
	you to see this review at Amazon.com
In-Reply-To: <06C99F922BB945DABE22B172B9A892FF@ZTxp>
References: <urn.correios.msg.201112021807440e0ce8c3b8d24470a5db1e6e4c483c53@1322849264469.rte-svc-na-i-81e1a9eb.us-east-1.amazon.com><1322852787.81283.YahooMailNeo@web121918.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<20111202122438.xi82matz4wgkkgcc@webmail.asajay.com>
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WTF?
The Pope is gonna be serious now? ?;-)
He must be sick.....okay I'll raise that bed and offer you my tires WHEN (not if) you run during this current decade.
Kidding again. ;-)?
?
Mad Dawg Antenucci 
Team Pantera Racing 
The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing 
www.teampanteraracing.com


________________________________
 From: David in Durango <adin at frontier.net>
To: asajay at asajay.com; tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay Laughtonwants you to see this review at Amazon.com
 
Well, AJ . . .? I'm saving a set of wheels for you - hope you can make it!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <asajay at asajay.com>
To: <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay Laughtonwants 
you to see this review at Amazon.com


> Quoting Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>:
>
>> ....I felt? dramatized and all most cried.....
>
> You my friend... are always DRAMATIZED!? :)
>
> and yea... I'm hoping to use that donation next year if I can get
> things properly ready.
>
> Asa Jay
> _______________________________________________
> TPR mailing list
> TPR at teampanteraracing.com
> http://lists.teampanteraracing.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tpr
>
> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus 
> signature database 6679 (20111202) __________
>
> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>
> http://www.eset.com
>
>
> 


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From adin at frontier.net  Sat Dec  3 12:20:45 2011
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 13:20:45 -0700
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
Message-ID: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related

just in case you've forgotten.

Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
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From asajay at asajay.com  Sat Dec  3 13:05:25 2011
From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 13:05:25 -0800
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
In-Reply-To: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>
References: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>
Message-ID: <4EDA8F15.3030607@asajay.com>

<insert manly grunts here>

I'd like my 351C to sound that good.

Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
&  Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related 
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related>
> just in case you've forgotten.
> Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TPR mailing list
> TPR at teampanteraracing.com
> http://lists.teampanteraracing.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tpr
>
>
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com>
> Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2102/4054 - Release Date: 12/03/11
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From asajay at asajay.com  Sat Dec  3 13:10:25 2011
From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 13:10:25 -0800
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
In-Reply-To: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>
References: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>
Message-ID: <4EDA9041.1070108@asajay.com>

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
nnnnnnngh......
I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
It's winter........
I'm not driving the car......
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
Must.... resist.... temptation.

If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for 
the car and I can't have that.

must.... resist....

Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
&  Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related 
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related>
> just in case you've forgotten.
> Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TPR mailing list
> TPR at teampanteraracing.com
> http://lists.teampanteraracing.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tpr
>
>
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com>
> Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2102/4054 - Release Date: 12/03/11
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From cengles at cox.net  Sat Dec  3 13:36:25 2011
From: cengles at cox.net ( Charles Engles)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 15:36:25 -0600
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
In-Reply-To: <4EDA9041.1070108@asajay.com>
References: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>
	<4EDA9041.1070108@asajay.com>
Message-ID: <005301ccb203$9c152820$d43f7860$@net>

Dear Asa,

 

 

                  Why don't you just build another engine over the winter
and pop it into the Pantera?    Or..more economically, pull the Pantera
engine and add new bearings on the lower end and bolt on some 4V heads with
port stuffers plus a Funnelweb intake and a new cam?   The Pantera is
important, but you wouldn't want to sacrifice a perfectly good Mach I for a
powerplant.

 

 

                                 Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

 

 

 

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Asa Jay Laughton
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 3:10 PM
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

 

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
nnnnnnngh......
I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
It's winter........
I'm not driving the car......
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
Must.... resist.... temptation.

If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the
car and I can't have that.

must.... resist....

Asa Jay



Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related>
&feature=related

 

just in case you've forgotten.

 

Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!

 
 
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From adin at frontier.net  Sat Dec  3 13:48:10 2011
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 14:48:10 -0700
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).

Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor, use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped something big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels, too.

Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 

Morally unemployed,
David in Durango



[1] next winter = appropriate economic time
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Asa Jay Laughton 
  To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .


  AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

  The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
  The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
  nnnnnnngh......
  I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
  rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
  It's winter........
  I'm not driving the car......
  mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
  Must.... resist.... temptation.

  If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the car and I can't have that.

  must.... resist....

  Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
  On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related

    just in case you've forgotten.

    Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!

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From asajay at asajay.com  Sat Dec  3 14:55:35 2011
From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 14:55:35 -0800
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
In-Reply-To: <005301ccb203$9c152820$d43f7860$@net>
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	<005301ccb203$9c152820$d43f7860$@net>
Message-ID: <4EDAA8E7.8070706@asajay.com>

Dr. Engles,
(Dr. as in Doctor of Pantera's from the Pantera Research Institute (PRI))

I would love nothing more than to spend time in the Northwest PRI lab 
putting together the next great engine to stuff in the Pantera.  Ah, the 
bliss of making sure all the specs are right, assembling all the pieces, 
torquing to spec, trying a new cam/head/intake combination, firing it up 
for the first time..... <sigh>

Last time it took me about $4,000 to do that.  Not bad when you consider 
what the big boys get for a rebuild.  But....

If I even had that money, it would be going to new coil-over shocks and 
springs, new wheels/tires, new radiator, and then SSCC entry fees, hotel 
and travel costs.

As for a refresh.... same story except throw in the fact I have the 
-original- engine in my Pantera and when I take it out, it's going into 
storage for a fairly warmed-over stock rebuild (nothing real fancy).

Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
&  Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 1:36 PM,  Charles Engles wrote:
>
> Dear Asa,
>
>                   Why don't you just build another engine over the 
> winter and pop it into the Pantera?    Or......more economically, pull 
> the Pantera engine and add new bearings on the lower end and bolt on 
> some 4V heads with port stuffers plus a Funnelweb intake and a new 
> cam?   The Pantera is important, but you wouldn't want to sacrifice a 
> perfectly good Mach I for a powerplant.
>
>                                  Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
>
> *From:*tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com 
> [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] *On Behalf Of *Asa Jay Laughton
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 3:10 PM
> *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>
> The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
> The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
> nnnnnnngh......
> I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
> rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
> It's winter........
> I'm not driving the car......
> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
> Must.... resist.... temptation.
>
> If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell 
> for the car and I can't have that.
>
> must.... resist....
>
> Asa Jay
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> &  Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
>
> On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related 
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related>
>
> just in case you've forgotten.
>
> Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
>
>   
>   
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From asajay at asajay.com  Sat Dec  3 15:51:01 2011
From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 15:51:01 -0800
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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You're excellency,

There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The 
Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John 
Christian on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a 
refrigerator specifically designated for beer.  Although it's not 
normally stocked, it miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop cloth 
comes to stay.  And one of the natives has a "Hut" always well stocked 
with pizza.

I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an 
original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the 
more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something, 
which I sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and 
drive away.  So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the 
other... how cool would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit 
speed class, with the original numbers matching engine, never been 
rebuilt, 40 years after it was made?  ...   WOW!

The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in 
-over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I 
just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me 
even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers 
matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.

The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further 
forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good 
candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has 
nearly 80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could 
use for new rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are 
in.... again, the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.

If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would 
most likely happen in January and would look something like this:

- Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
- Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
     - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
     - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
     - Remove fan belts and fan
     - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if 
necessary)
     - Remove alternator
     - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
     - Remove carb, tape over intake
     - Remove distributor
     - Unbolt headers at head
     - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay 
Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
     - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
     - Put the engine on a stand
- Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
- Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
     - Remove the decklid
     - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or 
rebuilt radiator)
     - Drain engine oil
     - Drain ZF gear oil
     - Unhook fuel line and cork
     - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
     - Unhook all wiring, set aside
     - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
     - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
     - Remove A/C Condensor
     - Unhook headers
     - Unhook transmission linkage
     - Unhook transmission wiring
     - Unhook half-shafts
     - Remove clutch slave, set aside
     - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
- Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
     - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
     - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
     - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine, 
otherwise.... more money)
- Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

But then.....
- I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB 
on there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the 
Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the 
Mach I engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the 
Holley?
- I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera 
but I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make 
it work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
- If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting 
doughnuts. (more money)
- If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system, 
ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work 
in the engine bay)
- Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.

So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get 
that darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my 
bones and "practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and 
coveted my neighbors ponies.

Asa Jay


&  Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote:
> So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).
> Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera 
> motor, use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some 
> fun in the mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 
> days if he had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if 
> you dropped something big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might 
> even deliver your new wheels, too.
> Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . .
> Morally unemployed,
> David in Durango
> [1] next winter = appropriate economic time
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Asa Jay Laughton <mailto:asajay at asajay.com>
>     *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com <mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>     *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
>     AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>
>     The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
>     The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
>     nnnnnnngh......
>     I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
>     rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
>     It's winter........
>     I'm not driving the car......
>     mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
>     Must.... resist.... temptation.
>
>     If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death
>     nell for the car and I can't have that.
>
>     must.... resist....
>
>     Asa Jay
>
>     Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>     &  Shelley Marie
>     Spokane, WA
>     ******************************
>     http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>     http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>     http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
>
>     On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote:
>>     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related
>>     <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related>
>>     just in case you've forgotten.
>>     Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
>>
>>
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From gndplne at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  3 16:02:59 2011
From: gndplne at yahoo.com (John Bentley)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 16:02:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Asa,

You gotta stop this!? Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!? Don't worry about the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and run the 100 MPH class.? Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it again. :)? My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way and if I waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack stands.


Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!


JB



________________________________
 From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
 

You're excellency,

There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for
    The Pope.? The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John
    Christian on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.? I have a
    refrigerator specifically designated for beer.? Although it's not
    normally stocked, it miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop
    cloth comes to stay.? And one of the natives has a "Hut" always well
    stocked with pizza.

I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.?
    It's an original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.?
    Yes.... the more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on
    breaking something, which I sometimes have angst about.... until I
    climb in, fire it up and drive away.? So on the one hand, I really
    should swap it, but on the other... how cool would it be to complete
    the SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the original numbers
    matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was made??
    ...?? WOW!

The Mach I could sit without an engine.? I haven't actually driven
    it in -over- a year.? It's really in a sad state of bodywork and
    paint.? But I just know if it sits for -long- without an engine....
    it will depress me even further as to it's non-driven state.? That
    engine is -not- numbers matching and I could pretty much put it
    anywhere I want without any angst.

The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting
    further forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.? It isn't
    a good candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time
    and has nearly 80K miles on it or so.? I have three others stored
    that I could use for new rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what
    condition they are in.... again, the Northwest PRI has no money for
    research at the moment.

If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it
    would most likely happen in January and would look something like
    this:

- Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
- Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
??? - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove
    radiator
??? - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
??? - Remove fan belts and fan
??? - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
    necessary)
??? - Remove alternator
??? - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
??? - Remove carb, tape over intake
??? - Remove distributor
??? - Unbolt headers at head
??? - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay
    Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
??? - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
??? - Put the engine on a stand
- Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
- Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
??? - Remove the decklid
??? - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or
    rebuilt radiator)
??? - Drain engine oil
??? - Drain ZF gear oil
??? - Unhook fuel line and cork
??? - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
??? - Unhook all wiring, set aside
??? - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
??? - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
??? - Remove A/C Condensor
??? - Unhook headers
??? - Unhook transmission linkage
??? - Unhook transmission wiring
??? - Unhook half-shafts
??? - Remove clutch slave, set aside
??? - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
- Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
??? - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
??? - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one
    (money)
??? - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are
    fine, otherwise.... more money)
- Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

But then.....
- I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.? The Carter
    AFB on there works, but not as optimally as it should.? The Holley
    from the Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the higher
    horsepower of the Mach I engine.? Do I rebuild and re-tune the
    Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
- I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the
    Pantera but I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine
    compartment to make it work.? Best to do that while the engine is
    out. (more money)
- If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber
    mounting doughnuts. (more money)
- If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling
    system, ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some
    creative work in the engine bay)
- Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being
    used.

So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.? But I get
    that darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in
    my bones and "practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower
    and coveted my neighbors ponies.

Asa Jay ?? 



& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?? Hot motor? (well, usable).
>?
>Swap them out!? If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor, use it for the dream rebuild? "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the mean time.? I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.? That way, if you dropped something big, you would have back up!? Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels, too.
>?
>Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 
>?
>Morally unemployed,
>David in Durango
>?
>?
>?
>[1] next winter = appropriate economic time
>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: Asa Jay Laughton 
>>To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
>>Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM
>>Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>>
>>
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>>
>>The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
>>The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the
        Pantera.....
>>nnnnnnngh......
>>I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
>>rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
>>It's winter........
>>I'm not driving the car......
>>mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
>>Must.... resist.... temptation.
>>
>>If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death
        nell for the car and I can't have that.
>>
>>must.... resist....
>>
>>Asa Jay
>>
>>Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>>On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
>> 
>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related
>>>?
>>>just in case you've forgotten.
>>>?
>>>Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
>>>
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From cengles at cox.net  Sat Dec  3 17:31:32 2011
From: cengles at cox.net ( Charles Engles)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:31:32 -0600
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
In-Reply-To: <4EDAB5E5.2090608@asajay.com>
References: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>	<4EDA9041.1070108@asajay.com>	<62EB471FBC054D0D8FFF4316A4633B1B@ZTxp>
	<4EDAB5E5.2090608@asajay.com>
Message-ID: <001501ccb224$7465d7e0$5d3187a0$@net>

Dear Asa,

 

 

              Looking at your list, I would say that you're on the verge of
that slippery slope.   Given your constraints, since I suspect that you're
*gonna* slide, just try to pick the gentlest slope!

 

 

                                      Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

 

 

 

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Asa Jay Laughton
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 5:51 PM
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

 

You're excellency,

There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The
Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian on
their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a refrigerator specifically
designated for beer.  Although it's not normally stocked, it miraculously
fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay.  And one of the natives
has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.

I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an
original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the more
I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something, which I
sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and drive away.
So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the other... how cool
would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the
original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was
made?  ...   WOW!

The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in
-over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I
just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me
even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers
matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.

The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further
forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good
candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly
80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could use for new
rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again,
the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.

If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would
most likely happen in January and would look something like this:

- Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
- Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
    - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
    - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
    - Remove fan belts and fan
    - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
necessary)
    - Remove alternator
    - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
    - Remove carb, tape over intake
    - Remove distributor
    - Unbolt headers at head
    - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton,
MSgt, USAFR, Retired
    - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
    - Put the engine on a stand
- Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
- Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
    - Remove the decklid
    - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt
radiator)
    - Drain engine oil
    - Drain ZF gear oil
    - Unhook fuel line and cork
    - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
    - Unhook all wiring, set aside
    - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
    - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
    - Remove A/C Condensor
    - Unhook headers
    - Unhook transmission linkage
    - Unhook transmission wiring
    - Unhook half-shafts
    - Remove clutch slave, set aside
    - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
- Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
    - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
    - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
    - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine,
otherwise.... more money)
- Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

But then.....
- I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB on
there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the Pantera
would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach I
engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
- I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but
I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it
work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
- If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting
doughnuts. (more money)
- If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system, ala
John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in the
engine bay)
- Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.

So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get that
darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and
"practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and
coveted my neighbors ponies.

Asa Jay    





& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).

 

Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor,
use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the
mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a
place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped something
big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels,
too.

 

Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 

 

Morally unemployed,

David in Durango

 

 

 

[1] next winter = appropriate economic time

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Asa Jay Laughton <mailto:asajay at asajay.com>  

To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 

Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM

Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

 

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
nnnnnnngh......
I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
It's winter........
I'm not driving the car......
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
Must.... resist.... temptation.

If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the
car and I can't have that.

must.... resist....

Asa Jay



Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related>
&feature=related

 

just in case you've forgotten.

 

Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!

 
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From cengles at cox.net  Sat Dec  3 17:33:13 2011
From: cengles at cox.net ( Charles Engles)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:33:13 -0600
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
In-Reply-To: <1322956979.21609.YahooMailNeo@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>	<4EDA9041.1070108@asajay.com>	<62EB471FBC054D0D8FFF4316A4633B1B@ZTxp>	<4EDAB5E5.2090608@asajay.com>
	<1322956979.21609.YahooMailNeo@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001a01ccb224$b0ac4b30$1204e190$@net>

Dear Asa,

 

 

                      John email is filled with words of wisdom.    

 

 

                                                 Warmest regards,  Chuck
Engles

 

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of John Bentley
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
To: Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

 

Asa,

 

You gotta stop this!  Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched
engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!  Don't worry about
the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and
run the 100 MPH class.  Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it again.
:)  My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way and if I
waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack stands.

 

Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!

 

JB

 

  _____  

From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

You're excellency,

There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The
Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian on
their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a refrigerator specifically
designated for beer.  Although it's not normally stocked, it miraculously
fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay.  And one of the natives
has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.

I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an
original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the more
I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something, which I
sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and drive away.
So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the other... how cool
would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the
original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was
made?  ...   WOW!

The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in
-over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I
just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me
even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers
matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.

The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further
forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good
candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly
80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could use for new
rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again,
the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.

If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would
most likely happen in January and would look something like this:

- Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
- Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
    - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
    - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
    - Remove fan belts and fan
    - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
necessary)
    - Remove alternator
    - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
    - Remove carb, tape over intake
    - Remove distributor
    - Unbolt headers at head
    - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton,
MSgt, USAFR, Retired
    - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
    - Put the engine on a stand
- Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
- Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
    - Remove the decklid
    - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt
radiator)
    - Drain engine oil
    - Drain ZF gear oil
    - Unhook fuel line and cork
    - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
    - Unhook all wiring, set aside
    - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
    - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
    - Remove A/C Condensor
    - Unhook headers
    - Unhook transmission linkage
    - Unhook transmission wiring
    - Unhook half-shafts
    - Remove clutch slave, set aside
    - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
- Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
    - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
    - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
    - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine,
otherwise.... more money)
- Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

But then.....
- I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB on
there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the Pantera
would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach I
engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
- I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but
I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it
work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
- If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting
doughnuts. (more money)
- If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system, ala
John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in the
engine bay)
- Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.

So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get that
darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and
"practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and
coveted my neighbors ponies.

Asa Jay    



& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).

 

Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor,
use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the
mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a
place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped something
big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels,
too.

 

Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 

 

Morally unemployed,

David in Durango

 

 

 

[1] next winter = appropriate economic time

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Asa Jay Laughton <mailto:asajay at asajay.com>  

To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 

Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM

Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

 

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
nnnnnnngh......
I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
It's winter........
I'm not driving the car......
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
Must.... resist.... temptation.

If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the
car and I can't have that.

must.... resist....

Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related

 

just in case you've forgotten.

 

Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!

 
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From cengles at cox.net  Sat Dec  3 17:35:46 2011
From: cengles at cox.net ( Charles Engles)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:35:46 -0600
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
In-Reply-To: <001a01ccb224$b0ac4b30$1204e190$@net>
References: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>	<4EDA9041.1070108@asajay.com>	<62EB471FBC054D0D8FFF4316A4633B1B@ZTxp>	<4EDAB5E5.2090608@asajay.com>	<1322956979.21609.YahooMailNeo@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<001a01ccb224$b0ac4b30$1204e190$@net>
Message-ID: <002b01ccb225$0ba9e740$22fdb5c0$@net>

Dear Asa,


                 Ahem.  That should read:   John's email is filled with
words of wisdom.   


                                          My bad,  Chuck Engles

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Charles Engles
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
To: 'John Bentley'; 'Asa Jay Laughton'; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

Dear Asa,


                      John email is filled with words of wisdom.    


                                                 Warmest regards,  Chuck
Engles

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of John Bentley
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
To: Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

Asa,

You gotta stop this!  Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched
engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!  Don't worry about
the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and
run the 100 MPH class.  Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it again.
:)  My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way and if I
waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack stands.

Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!

JB


From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
You're excellency,

There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The
Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian on
their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a refrigerator specifically
designated for beer.  Although it's not normally stocked, it miraculously
fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay.  And one of the natives
has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.

I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an
original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the more
I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something, which I
sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and drive away.
So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the other... how cool
would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the
original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was
made?  ...   WOW!

The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in
-over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I
just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me
even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers
matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.

The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further
forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good
candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly
80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could use for new
rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again,
the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.

If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would
most likely happen in January and would look something like this:

- Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
- Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
    - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
    - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
    - Remove fan belts and fan
    - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
necessary)
    - Remove alternator
    - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
    - Remove carb, tape over intake
    - Remove distributor
    - Unbolt headers at head
    - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton,
MSgt, USAFR, Retired
    - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
    - Put the engine on a stand
- Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
- Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
    - Remove the decklid
    - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt
radiator)
    - Drain engine oil
    - Drain ZF gear oil
    - Unhook fuel line and cork
    - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
    - Unhook all wiring, set aside
    - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
    - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
    - Remove A/C Condensor
    - Unhook headers
    - Unhook transmission linkage
    - Unhook transmission wiring
    - Unhook half-shafts
    - Remove clutch slave, set aside
    - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
- Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
    - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
    - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
    - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine,
otherwise.... more money)
- Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

But then.....
- I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB on
there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the Pantera
would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach I
engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
- I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but
I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it
work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
- If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting
doughnuts. (more money)
- If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system, ala
John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in the
engine bay)
- Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.

So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get that
darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and
"practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and
coveted my neighbors ponies.

Asa Jay    
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism

On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).
 
Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor,
use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the
mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a
place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped something
big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels,
too.
 
Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 
 
Morally unemployed,
David in Durango
 
 
 
[1] next winter = appropriate economic time
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Asa Jay Laughton <mailto:asajay at asajay.com>  
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
nnnnnnngh......
I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
It's winter........
I'm not driving the car......
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
Must.... resist.... temptation.

If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the
car and I can't have that.

must.... resist....

Asa Jay
Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism

On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related
 
just in case you've forgotten.
 
Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!

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From asajay at asajay.com  Sat Dec  3 17:52:11 2011
From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 17:52:11 -0800
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Message-ID: <4EDAD24B.4020004@asajay.com>

Well the fact is there is nothing -wrong- with the stock engine -in- the 
Pantera right now.  Except for doomsayer's like John (no offense 
intended) who keep a tinge of doubt in my mind, I have no qualms about 
running this engine at 100 MPH for 90 miles.  It needs nothing right now 
other than an oil and filter change, well and maybe a new radiator (or 
rebuilt, I'm working on that).

Granted, running it between WOT and full Brakes on the local track for 
20 minutes at a shot, or brutalizing it on an autocross course isn't the 
same.  Might it not survive 100 MPH for 90 miles?  Maybe.

Two years ago I replaced all the valve stem keepers and valve stem 
seals.  I've tuned it for no-knock on 92 Octane pump gas (of course it's 
a '73 de-tuned engine anyway.)  It has a full-roller timing set (after 
the stock set went south).  Okay, so it's not strictly stock, like Brock 
Tella stock, okay?

No worries though, I'm not about to spend a brazilian dollars on new 
parts for a new rebuild.  That comes secondary.  What the angst is about 
is whether to buy in to the idea the stock engine might grenade on 
course and instead run the engine I've built for the Mach I.  Details on 
that engine build are here:
http://www.asajay.com/351rebuild/351rebuild.htm

It's been running in the Mach I since 2001, just not been driven a whole 
lot.

<sigh>  I just need new shocks/springs, a new radiator, wheels and 
tires, an oil and filter change and I'll be ready.  But I'll also listen 
to other advice.  What other reasons are there that my engine as it is 
might not make it 90 miles at 100 MPH?

Asa Jay


Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
&  Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 5:35 PM,  Charles Engles wrote:
>
> Dear Asa,
>
>
>                  Ahem.  That should read: *John**'**s*email is filled 
> with words of wisdom.
>
>                                           My bad,  Chuck Engles
>
> *From:*tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com 
> [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com]*On Behalf Of*Charles Engles
> *Sent:*Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
> *To:*'John Bentley'; 'Asa Jay Laughton'; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Subject:*Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
> Dear Asa,
>
>                       John email is filled with words of wisdom.
>
>
>                                                  Warmest regards,  
> Chuck Engles
>
> *From:*tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com 
> [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com]*On Behalf Of*John Bentley
> *Sent:*Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
> *To:*Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Subject:*Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
> Asa,
>
> You gotta stop this!  Don't run Silver State with an original 
> un-touched engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!  
> Don't worry about the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and 
> just get it running and run the 100 MPH class.  Take smaller steps or 
> you will NEVER drive it again. :)  My garage is filled with parts I 
> have collected along the way and if I waited until they were all 
> installed it would never leave the jack stands.
>
> Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!
>
> JB
>
> *From:*Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> *To:*tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Sent:*Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
> *Subject:*Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
> You're excellency,
>
> There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for 
> The Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John 
> Christian on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a 
> refrigerator specifically designated for beer.  Although it's not 
> normally stocked, it miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop 
> cloth comes to stay.  And one of the natives has a "Hut" always well 
> stocked with pizza.
>
> I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's 
> an original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... 
> the more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking 
> something, which I sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, 
> fire it up and drive away.  So on the one hand, I really should swap 
> it, but on the other... how cool would it be to complete the SSCC in a 
> triple digit speed class, with the original numbers matching engine, 
> never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was made?  ...   WOW!
>
> The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it 
> in -over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  
> But I just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will 
> depress me even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is 
> -not- numbers matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want 
> without any angst.
>
> The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further 
> forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good 
> candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has 
> nearly 80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could 
> use for new rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they 
> are in.... again, the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the 
> moment.
>
> If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it 
> would most likely happen in January and would look something like this:
>
> - Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
> - Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
>     - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
>     - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
>     - Remove fan belts and fan
>     - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if 
> necessary)
>     - Remove alternator
>     - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
>     - Remove carb, tape over intake
>     - Remove distributor
>     - Unbolt headers at head
>     - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay 
> Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>     - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
>     - Put the engine on a stand
> - Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
> - Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
>     - Remove the decklid
>     - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or 
> rebuilt radiator)
>     - Drain engine oil
>     - Drain ZF gear oil
>     - Unhook fuel line and cork
>     - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
>     - Unhook all wiring, set aside
>     - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
>     - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
>     - Remove A/C Condensor
>     - Unhook headers
>     - Unhook transmission linkage
>     - Unhook transmission wiring
>     - Unhook half-shafts
>     - Remove clutch slave, set aside
>     - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
> - Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
>     - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
>     - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
>     - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine, 
> otherwise.... more money)
> - Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)
>
> But then.....
> - I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter 
> AFB on there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley 
> from the Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the higher 
> horsepower of the Mach I engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter 
> or do I re-jet the Holley?
> - I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera 
> but I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to 
> make it work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
> - If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting 
> doughnuts. (more money)
> - If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling 
> system, ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some 
> creative work in the engine bay)
> - Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.
>
> So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get 
> that darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my 
> bones and "practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.
>
> Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower 
> and coveted my neighbors ponies.
>
> Asa Jay
>
> & Shelley Marie
>
> Spokane, WA
>
> ******************************
>
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
>
> On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote:
>
> So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).
>
> Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera 
> motor, use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some 
> fun in the mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 
> days if he had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if 
> you dropped something big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might 
> even deliver your new wheels, too.
>
> Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . .
>
> Morally unemployed,
>
> David in Durango
>
> [1] next winter = appropriate economic time
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:*_Asa Jay Laughton_<mailto:asajay at asajay.com>
>
> *To:*_tpr at teampanteraracing.com_<mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>
> *Sent:*Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM
>
> *Subject:*Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>
> The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
> The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
> nnnnnnngh......
> I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
> rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
> It's winter........
> I'm not driving the car......
> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
> Must.... resist.... temptation.
>
> If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell 
> for the car and I can't have that.
>
> must.... resist....
>
> Asa Jay
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>
> & Shelley Marie
>
> Spokane, WA
>
> ******************************
>
> _http://www.racingagainstautism.com_
>
> _http://www.teampanteraracing.com_
>
> _http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism_
>
>
> On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related 
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related>
>
> just in case you've forgotten.
>
> Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
>
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From adin at frontier.net  Sat Dec  3 17:53:19 2011
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 18:53:19 -0700
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Young AJ,
Have to side w/ JB - scattering a motor at the event is probably no fun AND added expense.
Also, Chuck is right - choose your slope to match your SWMBO [1] and budget.

The $$$ thing that must be done is the clutch.  We have jets for the holley . . .   As I remember you do NEED the wheels/tires for the event, correct?  (Don't let the wheel cost keep you home. I'm sure the Pope could be encouraged to cut you some slack if needed.)  Seems like the other stuff could be added as funds become available.

Unless some of the museum pieces sell, I'll just be decorating the neighborhood for a while.  It sure would be nice to get the yellow car (Pantera) back in action . . . . .

Sleep on it. (here's a lullaby for you) mwahahahahaMWAHAHAHAHHAhem.
http://www.youtube.com/user/IckyOldMan#p/a/u/0/rsGxgysQxSM

I understand your angst (is that a word?), I often have suffer some sort of parallel sexual excitement when I hear a good motor or the Summit catalog arrives . . . . 

All the best to you and yours,

David




[1] She Who Must Be Obeyed
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Asa Jay Laughton 
  To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 4:51 PM
  Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .


  You're excellency,

  There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a refrigerator specifically designated for beer.  Although it's not normally stocked, it miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay.  And one of the natives has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.

  I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something, which I sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and drive away.  So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the other... how cool would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was made?  ...   WOW!

  The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in -over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.

  The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly 80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could use for new rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again, the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.

  If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would most likely happen in January and would look something like this:

  - Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
  - Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
      - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
      - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
      - Remove fan belts and fan
      - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if necessary)
      - Remove alternator
      - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
      - Remove carb, tape over intake
      - Remove distributor
      - Unbolt headers at head
      - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
      - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
      - Put the engine on a stand
  - Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
  - Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
      - Remove the decklid
      - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt radiator)
      - Drain engine oil
      - Drain ZF gear oil
      - Unhook fuel line and cork
      - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
      - Unhook all wiring, set aside
      - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
      - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
      - Remove A/C Condensor
      - Unhook headers
      - Unhook transmission linkage
      - Unhook transmission wiring
      - Unhook half-shafts
      - Remove clutch slave, set aside
      - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
  - Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
      - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
      - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
      - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine, otherwise.... more money)
  - Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

  But then.....
  - I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB on there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach I engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
  - I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
  - If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting doughnuts. (more money)
  - If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system, ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in the engine bay)
  - Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.

  So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get that darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and "practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

  Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and coveted my neighbors ponies.

  Asa Jay    



& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
  On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
    So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).

    Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor, use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped something big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels, too.

    Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 

    Morally unemployed,
    David in Durango



    [1] next winter = appropriate economic time
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Asa Jay Laughton 
      To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
      Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM
      Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .


      AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

      The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
      The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
      nnnnnnngh......
      I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
      rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
      It's winter........
      I'm not driving the car......
      mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
      Must.... resist.... temptation.

      If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the car and I can't have that.

      must.... resist....

      Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
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        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related

        just in case you've forgotten.

        Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!

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From adin at frontier.net  Sat Dec  3 18:05:58 2011
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:05:58 -0700
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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RE: [TPR] What we are about . . . .Oooh . . .IKNOWIKNOWIKNOW.

Let me try: two piece valves for $1000, Alex.

those old stock two-piece valves are a time bomb, as I understand it.

5/17 - 5/20 in Ely?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Asa Jay Laughton 
  To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .


  Well the fact is there is nothing -wrong- with the stock engine -in- the Pantera right now.  Except for doomsayer's like John (no offense intended) who keep a tinge of doubt in my mind, I have no qualms about running this engine at 100 MPH for 90 miles.  It needs nothing right now other than an oil and filter change, well and maybe a new radiator (or rebuilt, I'm working on that).

  Granted, running it between WOT and full Brakes on the local track for 20 minutes at a shot, or brutalizing it on an autocross course isn't the same.  Might it not survive 100 MPH for 90 miles?  Maybe.

  Two years ago I replaced all the valve stem keepers and valve stem seals.  I've tuned it for no-knock on 92 Octane pump gas (of course it's a '73 de-tuned engine anyway.)  It has a full-roller timing set (after the stock set went south).  Okay, so it's not strictly stock, like Brock Tella stock, okay?

  No worries though, I'm not about to spend a brazilian dollars on new parts for a new rebuild.  That comes secondary.  What the angst is about is whether to buy in to the idea the stock engine might grenade on course and instead run the engine I've built for the Mach I.  Details on that engine build are here:
  http://www.asajay.com/351rebuild/351rebuild.htm

  It's been running in the Mach I since 2001, just not been driven a whole lot.

  <sigh>  I just need new shocks/springs, a new radiator, wheels and tires, an oil and filter change and I'll be ready.  But I'll also listen to other advice.  What other reasons are there that my engine as it is might not make it 90 miles at 100 MPH?

  Asa Jay



Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
  On 12/3/2011 5:35 PM,  Charles Engles wrote: 
    Dear Asa,



                     Ahem.  That should read:   John's email is filled with words of wisdom.   


                                              My bad,  Chuck Engles


    From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Charles Engles
    Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
    To: 'John Bentley'; 'Asa Jay Laughton'; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
    Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .


    Dear Asa,


                          John email is filled with words of wisdom.    



                                                     Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

    From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of John Bentley
    Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
    To: Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
    Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .


    Asa,


    You gotta stop this!  Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!  Don't worry about the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and run the 100 MPH class.  Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it again. :)  My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way and if I waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack stands.


    Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!


    JB



    From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
    To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
    Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
    Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

    You're excellency,

    There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a refrigerator specifically designated for beer.  Although it's not normally stocked, it miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay.  And one of the natives has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.

    I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something, which I sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and drive away.  So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the other... how cool would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was made?  ...   WOW!

    The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in -over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.

    The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly 80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could use for new rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again, the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.

    If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would most likely happen in January and would look something like this:

    - Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
    - Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
        - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
        - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
        - Remove fan belts and fan
        - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if necessary)
        - Remove alternator
        - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
        - Remove carb, tape over intake
        - Remove distributor
        - Unbolt headers at head
        - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
        - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
        - Put the engine on a stand
    - Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
    - Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
        - Remove the decklid
        - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt radiator)
        - Drain engine oil
        - Drain ZF gear oil
        - Unhook fuel line and cork
        - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
        - Unhook all wiring, set aside
        - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
        - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
        - Remove A/C Condensor
        - Unhook headers
        - Unhook transmission linkage
        - Unhook transmission wiring
        - Unhook half-shafts
        - Remove clutch slave, set aside
        - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
    - Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
        - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
        - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
        - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine, otherwise.... more money)
    - Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

    But then.....
    - I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB on there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach I engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
    - I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
    - If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting doughnuts. (more money)
    - If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system, ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in the engine bay)
    - Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.

    So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get that darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and "practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

    Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and coveted my neighbors ponies.

    Asa Jay    

    & Shelley Marie

    Spokane, WA

    ******************************     

    http://www.racingagainstautism.com

    http://www.teampanteraracing.com

    http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


    On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

    So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).



    Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor, use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped something big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels, too.



    Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 



    Morally unemployed,

    David in Durango







    [1] next winter = appropriate economic time

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: Asa Jay Laughton 

    To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 

    Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM

    Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .


    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

    The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
    The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
    nnnnnnngh......
    I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
    rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
    It's winter........
    I'm not driving the car......
    mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
    Must.... resist.... temptation.

    If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the car and I can't have that.

    must.... resist....

    Asa Jay

    Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired

    & Shelley Marie

    Spokane, WA

    ******************************     

    http://www.racingagainstautism.com

    http://www.teampanteraracing.com

    http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


    On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related



    just in case you've forgotten.



    Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!


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From gndplne at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  3 20:50:15 2011
From: gndplne at yahoo.com (John Bentley)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 20:50:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Asa,

There is a difference between doomsdayer's and experience.

The single-grove keepers on the stock valves and the 2-piece construction of the valves are both time-bombs. (IMHO)? I doubt I would take a chance running an engine I really wanted to keep under those conditions in a long, high RPM event like SSCC.? If you want to see what happens when a stock valve let's go, I can $end you $ome picture$ or $hip you $ome part$.


If you want to run an old engine that's fine, but I would just pull the heads and replace the valves with some Manley stainless (and of course do a basic grind), and put all the rockers/springs/pushrods back where they came from and run the event.? Of course you'll have to pay attention to stuff like installed height and pushrod geometry, but any basic shop can help you with those things.?For around $500, you can be good to go.? And, its easy to do with the engine block/trans in the car.

We all want to see you run the event, so let us know what we can do to help.? Its TEAM Pantera Racing! :)


JB




________________________________
 From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
 

Well the fact is there is nothing -wrong- with the stock engine -in- the Pantera right now.? Except for doomsayer's like John (no offense intended) who keep a tinge of doubt in my mind, I have no qualms about running this engine at 100 MPH for 90 miles.? It needs nothing right now other than an oil and filter change, well and maybe a new radiator (or rebuilt, I'm working on that).

Granted, running it between WOT and full Brakes on the local track
    for 20 minutes at a shot, or brutalizing it on an autocross course
    isn't the same.? Might it not survive 100 MPH for 90 miles?? Maybe.

Two years ago I replaced all the valve stem keepers and valve stem
    seals.? I've tuned it for no-knock on 92 Octane pump gas (of course
    it's a '73 de-tuned engine anyway.)? It has a full-roller timing set
    (after the stock set went south).? Okay, so it's not strictly stock,
    like Brock Tella stock, okay?

No worries though, I'm not about to spend a brazilian dollars on new
    parts for a new rebuild.? That comes secondary.? What the angst is
    about is whether to buy in to the idea the stock engine might
    grenade on course and instead run the engine I've built for the Mach
    I.? Details on that engine build are here:
http://www.asajay.com/351rebuild/351rebuild.htm

It's been running in the Mach I since 2001, just not been driven a
    whole lot.

<sigh>? I just need new shocks/springs, a new radiator, wheels
    and tires, an oil and filter change and I'll be ready.? But I'll
    also listen to other advice.? What other reasons are there that my
    engine as it is might not make it 90 miles at 100 MPH?

Asa Jay



Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
On 12/3/2011 5:35 PM,? Charles Engles wrote: 
RE: [TPR] What we are about . . . . 
>Dear Asa,
>
>???????????????? Ahem.? That should read:??John?semail is filled with words of wisdom.?? 
>????????????????????????????????????????? My bad,? Chuck Engles
>From:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com]On Behalf OfCharles Engles
>Sent:Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
>To:'John Bentley'; 'Asa Jay Laughton'; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>Subject:Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>Dear Asa,
>????????????????????? John email is filled with words of wisdom. ???
>
>???????????????????????????????????????????????? Warmest regards,? Chuck Engles
>From:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com]On Behalf OfJohn Bentley
>Sent:Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
>To:Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>Subject:Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>Asa,
>You gotta stop this!? Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!? Don't worry about the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and run the 100 MPH class.? Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it again. :)? My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way and if I waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack stands.
>Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!
>JB
>From:Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
>To:tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>Sent:Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
>Subject:Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>You're excellency,
>
>There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research
            Institute for The Pope.? The last transients to stay here
            were Mike Drew and John Christian on their way to the Rocky
            Mountain Tour.? I have a refrigerator specifically
            designated for beer.? Although it's not normally stocked, it
            miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to
            stay.? And one of the natives has a "Hut" always well
            stocked with pizza.
>
>I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the
            Pantera.? It's an original numbers matching, never been
            rebuilt, still runs.? Yes.... the more I drive it -hard-,
            the more I take a chance on breaking something, which I
            sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up
            and drive away.? So on the one hand, I really should swap
            it, but on the other... how cool would it be to complete the
            SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the original
            numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after
            it was made?? ...?? WOW!
>
>The Mach I could sit without an engine.? I haven't actually
            driven it in -over- a year.? It's really in a sad state of
            bodywork and paint.? But I just know if it sits for -long-
            without an engine.... it will depress me even further as to
            it's non-driven state.? That engine is -not- numbers
            matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want
            without any angst.
>
>The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still
            waiting further forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this
            winter.? It isn't a good candidate for a rebuild; it was
            bored .030" over last time and has nearly 80K miles on it or
            so.? I have three others stored that I could use for new
            rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are
            in.... again, the Northwest PRI has no money for research at
            the moment.
>
>If the angels granted this kind of project could be
            undertaken, it would most likely happen in January and would
            look something like this:
>
>- Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
>- Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a
            day)
>??? - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses,
            remove radiator
>??? - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
>??? - Remove fan belts and fan
>??? - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook
            hoses if necessary)
>??? - Remove alternator
>??? - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
>??? - Remove carb, tape over intake
>??? - Remove distributor
>??? - Unbolt headers at head
>??? - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa
            Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>??? - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
>??? - Put the engine on a stand
>- Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
>- Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a
            day)
>??? - Remove the decklid
>??? - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs
            new or rebuilt radiator)
>??? - Drain engine oil
>??? - Drain ZF gear oil
>??? - Unhook fuel line and cork
>??? - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
>??? - Unhook all wiring, set aside
>??? - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
>??? - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
>??? - Remove A/C Condensor
>??? - Unhook headers
>??? - Unhook transmission linkage
>??? - Unhook transmission wiring
>??? - Unhook half-shafts
>??? - Remove clutch slave, set aside
>??? - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
>- Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
>??? - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
>??? - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't
            have one (money)
>??? - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they
            are fine, otherwise.... more money)
>- Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)
>
>But then.....
>- I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.? The
            Carter AFB on there works, but not as optimally as it
            should.? The Holley from the Pantera would work, but it's
            not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach I engine.? Do
            I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
>- I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in
            the Pantera but I'd need to wire up a computer box in the
            engine compartment to make it work.? Best to do that while
            the engine is out. (more money)
>- If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the
            rubber mounting doughnuts. (more money)
>- If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the
            cooling system, ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more
            money and some creative work in the engine bay)
>- Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they
            aren't being used.
>
>So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.?
            But I get that darn thundering clapping sound from a good
            strong V8 engine in my bones and "practicality" begins to
            get awfully transparent.
>
>Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more
            horsepower and coveted my neighbors ponies.
>
>Asa Jay ?? 
>& Shelley Marie
>Spokane, WA
>******************************???? 
>http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
>On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
>So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?? Hot motor? (well, usable).
>?
>Swap them out!? If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor, use it for the dream rebuild? "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the mean time.? I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.? That way, if you dropped something big, you would have back up!? Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels, too.
>?
>Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 
>?
>Morally unemployed,
>David in Durango
>?
>?
>?
>[1] next winter = appropriate economic time
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From:Asa Jay Laughton
>To:tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>Sent:Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM
>Subject:Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>
>The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
>The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the
            Pantera.....
>nnnnnnngh......
>I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
>rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
>It's winter........
>I'm not driving the car......
>mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
>Must.... resist.... temptation.
>
>If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the
            death nell for the car and I can't have that.
>
>must.... resist....
>
>Asa Jay
>Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>& Shelley Marie
>Spokane, WA
>******************************???? 
>http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
>On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related
>?
>just in case you've forgotten.
>?
>Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
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From bob at radefeld.com  Sun Dec  4 06:01:36 2011
From: bob at radefeld.com (bob Radefeld)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 08:01:36 -0600
Subject: [TPR] What we are about
Message-ID: <CA+4z8QC7bxFKtFpiyzc6=MoAr0uZnkFd3BSVFVnjZpFgR_BZvg@mail.gmail.com>

Asa,

IMHO, JB's advice would be the least expensive & most reassuring way to
race & still keep the original block in your car. Had I known when I bought
my car that it still had two piece valves in it I would have changed them
out in a heartbeat! Sadly, I had to find out the hard way at a local track
event but was very lucky to not do enough damage to ruin my original
block......WHEW!! Please consider this alternative very carefully & GOOD
Luck..........


Bob (been there, done that!)
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From cengles at cox.net  Sun Dec  4 07:06:37 2011
From: cengles at cox.net ( Charles Engles)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 09:06:37 -0600
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Dear Mr. Not Completely Stock Engine Owner,

 

 

 

                  My biggest concern was with the lousy plastic timing gear
and you've taken care of that.  I had forgotten about the two piece valves.
I think the best and most unpleasant comments on that are from JB and
Rowdy.   To paraphrase one of my favorite quotes for this situation: "As
long as nothing happens to the engine, there's no danger."

 

                   Perhaps for the least financial cost, the Mustang engine
transplant might the best deal.  You said that the biggest dollar cost would
be adjusting or rebuilding the carb for it's new situation in the Pantera.
You could put the Pantera engine on a stand and then....put the Mustang on
the proverbial back burner of "when I get 'round tuit" and/or begin another
engine build from those three re-builders you have for a Mustang powerplant.

 

 

                                     Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

 

 

 

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Asa Jay Laughton
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:52 PM
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

 

Well the fact is there is nothing -wrong- with the stock engine -in- the
Pantera right now.  Except for doomsayer's like John (no offense intended)
who keep a tinge of doubt in my mind, I have no qualms about running this
engine at 100 MPH for 90 miles.  It needs nothing right now other than an
oil and filter change, well and maybe a new radiator (or rebuilt, I'm
working on that).

Granted, running it between WOT and full Brakes on the local track for 20
minutes at a shot, or brutalizing it on an autocross course isn't the same.
Might it not survive 100 MPH for 90 miles?  Maybe.

Two years ago I replaced all the valve stem keepers and valve stem seals.
I've tuned it for no-knock on 92 Octane pump gas (of course it's a '73
de-tuned engine anyway.)  It has a full-roller timing set (after the stock
set went south).  Okay, so it's not strictly stock, like Brock Tella stock,
okay?

No worries though, I'm not about to spend a brazilian dollars on new parts
for a new rebuild.  That comes secondary.  What the angst is about is
whether to buy in to the idea the stock engine might grenade on course and
instead run the engine I've built for the Mach I.  Details on that engine
build are here:
http://www.asajay.com/351rebuild/351rebuild.htm

It's been running in the Mach I since 2001, just not been driven a whole
lot.

<sigh>  I just need new shocks/springs, a new radiator, wheels and tires, an
oil and filter change and I'll be ready.  But I'll also listen to other
advice.  What other reasons are there that my engine as it is might not make
it 90 miles at 100 MPH?

Asa Jay





Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 5:35 PM,  Charles Engles wrote: 

Dear Asa,

 

                 Ahem.  That should read:   John's email is filled with
words of wisdom.   

                                          My bad,  Chuck Engles

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Charles Engles
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
To: 'John Bentley'; 'Asa Jay Laughton'; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

Dear Asa,

                      John email is filled with words of wisdom.    

 

                                                 Warmest regards,  Chuck
Engles

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of John Bentley
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
To: Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

Asa,

You gotta stop this!  Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched
engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!  Don't worry about
the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and
run the 100 MPH class.  Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it again.
:)  My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way and if I
waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack stands.

Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!

JB

From: Asa Jay Laughton  <mailto:asajay at asajay.com> <asajay at asajay.com>
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

You're excellency,

There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The
Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian on
their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a refrigerator specifically
designated for beer.  Although it's not normally stocked, it miraculously
fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay.  And one of the natives
has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.

I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an
original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the more
I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something, which I
sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and drive away.
So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the other... how cool
would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the
original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was
made?  ...   WOW!

The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in
-over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I
just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me
even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers
matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.

The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further
forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good
candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly
80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could use for new
rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again,
the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.

If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would
most likely happen in January and would look something like this:

- Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
- Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
    - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
    - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
    - Remove fan belts and fan
    - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
necessary)
    - Remove alternator
    - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
    - Remove carb, tape over intake
    - Remove distributor
    - Unbolt headers at head
    - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton,
MSgt, USAFR, Retired
    - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
    - Put the engine on a stand
- Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
- Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
    - Remove the decklid
    - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt
radiator)
    - Drain engine oil
    - Drain ZF gear oil
    - Unhook fuel line and cork
    - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
    - Unhook all wiring, set aside
    - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
    - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
    - Remove A/C Condensor
    - Unhook headers
    - Unhook transmission linkage
    - Unhook transmission wiring
    - Unhook half-shafts
    - Remove clutch slave, set aside
    - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
- Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
    - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
    - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
    - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine,
otherwise.... more money)
- Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

But then.....
- I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB on
there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the Pantera
would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach I
engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
- I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but
I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it
work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
- If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting
doughnuts. (more money)
- If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system, ala
John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in the
engine bay)
- Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.

So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get that
darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and
"practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and
coveted my neighbors ponies.

Asa Jay    

& Shelley Marie

Spokane, WA

******************************     

http://www.racingagainstautism.com

http://www.teampanteraracing.com

http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).

 

Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor,
use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the
mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a
place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped something
big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels,
too.

 

Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 

 

Morally unemployed,

David in Durango

 

 

 

[1] next winter = appropriate economic time

----- Original Message ----- 

From:  <mailto:asajay at asajay.com> Asa Jay Laughton 

To:  <mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com> tpr at teampanteraracing.com 

Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM

Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
nnnnnnngh......
I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
It's winter........
I'm not driving the car......
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
Must.... resist.... temptation.

If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the
car and I can't have that.

must.... resist....

Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired

& Shelley Marie

Spokane, WA

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On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related>
&feature=related

 

just in case you've forgotten.

 

Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!

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From bob at radefeld.com  Sun Dec  4 08:13:32 2011
From: bob at radefeld.com (bob Radefeld)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 10:13:32 -0600
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Dear Chuck,

Weren't you one of the folks with advice regarding the "slippery slope"
syndrome that so easily occurs when one pulls his engine? That certainly
applied to me when my engine came out of my car & I've got a hunch it could
very easily infect Asa if he swaps engines. If he can somehow "immunize"
himself against this happening then YES, I would agree that swapping
engines might allow for a smaller outlay of $$ for him. Personally,
however, I would pull only the heads & be more assured that my chances of
sliding were minimized to the max.........FWIW.


Bob




On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:

>  Dear Mr. Not Completely Stock Engine Owner,****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
>                   My biggest concern was with the lousy plastic timing
> gear and you?ve taken care of that.  I had forgotten about the two piece
> valves.  I think the best and most unpleasant comments on that are from JB
> and  Rowdy.   To paraphrase one of my favorite quotes for this situation:
> ?As long as nothing happens to the engine, there?s no danger.?****
>
> ** **
>
>                    Perhaps for the least financial cost, the Mustang
> engine transplant might the best deal.  You said that the biggest dollar
> cost would be adjusting or rebuilding the carb for it?s new situation in
> the Pantera.   You could put the Pantera engine on a stand and then??..put
> the Mustang on the proverbial back burner of ?when I get ?round tuit?
> and/or begin another engine build from those three re-builders you have for
> a Mustang powerplant.****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
>                                      Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Fr*om:* tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [mailto:
> tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] *On Behalf Of *Asa Jay Laughton
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:52 PM
> *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
>   ** **
>
> Well the fact is there is nothing -wrong- with the stock engine -in- the
> Pantera right now.  Except for doomsayer's like John (no offense intended)
> who keep a tinge of doubt in my mind, I have no qualms about running this
> engine at 100 MPH for 90 miles.  It needs nothing right now other than an
> oil and filter change, well and maybe a new radiator (or rebuilt, I'm
> working on that).
>
> Granted, running it between WOT and full Brakes on the local track for 20
> minutes at a shot, or brutalizing it on an autocross course isn't the
> same.  Might it not survive 100 MPH for 90 miles?  Maybe.
>
> Two years ago I replaced all the valve stem keepers and valve stem seals.
> I've tuned it for no-knock on 92 Octane pump gas (of course it's a '73
> de-tuned engine anyway.)  It has a full-roller timing set (after the stock
> set went south).  Okay, so it's not strictly stock, like Brock Tella stock,
> okay?
>
> No worries though, I'm not about to spend a brazilian dollars on new parts
> for a new rebuild.  That comes secondary.  What the angst is about is
> whether to buy in to the idea the stock engine might grenade on course and
> instead run the engine I've built for the Mach I.  Details on that engine
> build are here:
> http://www.asajay.com/351rebuild/351rebuild.htm
>
> It's been running in the Mach I since 2001, just not been driven a whole
> lot.
>
> <sigh>  I just need new shocks/springs, a new radiator, wheels and tires,
> an oil and filter change and I'll be ready.  But I'll also listen to other
> advice.  What other reasons are there that my engine as it is might not
> make it 90 miles at 100 MPH?
>
> Asa Jay
>
>
>
> ****
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired****
>
> & Shelley Marie****
>
> Spokane, WA****
>
> ******************************     ****
>
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com****
>
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>
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>
> On 12/3/2011 5:35 PM,  Charles Engles wrote: ****
>
> Dear Asa,****
>
> ** **
>
>                  Ahem.  That should read:  * **John?s* email is filled
> with words of wisdom.   ****
>
>                                           My bad,  Chuck Engles****
>
> *From:* tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [
> mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com<tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com>
> ]* **On Behalf Of* Charles Engles
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
> *To:* 'John Bentley'; 'Asa Jay Laughton'; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
> Dear Asa,****
>
>                       John email is filled with words of wisdom.    ****
>
> ** **
>
>                                                  Warmest regards,  Chuck
> Engles****
>
> *From:* tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [
> mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com<tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com>
> ]* **On Behalf Of* John Bentley
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
> *To:* Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
> Asa,****
>
> You gotta stop this!  Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched
> engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!  Don't worry about
> the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and
> run the 100 MPH class.  Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it
> again. :)  My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way
> and if I waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack
> stands.****
>
> Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!*
> ***
>
> JB****
>
> *From:* Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> <asajay at asajay.com>
> *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
> You're excellency,
>
> There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The
> Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian
> on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a refrigerator
> specifically designated for beer.  Although it's not normally stocked, it
> miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay.  And one
> of the natives has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.
>
> I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an
> original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the
> more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something,
> which I sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and
> drive away.  So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the
> other... how cool would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed
> class, with the original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40
> years after it was made?  ...   WOW!
>
> The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in
> -over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I
> just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me
> even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers
> matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.
>
> The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further
> forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good
> candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly
> 80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could use for new
> rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again,
> the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.
>
> If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would
> most likely happen in January and would look something like this:
>
> - Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
> - Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
>     - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
>     - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
>     - Remove fan belts and fan
>     - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
> necessary)
>     - Remove alternator
>     - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
>     - Remove carb, tape over intake
>     - Remove distributor
>     - Unbolt headers at head
>     - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton,
> MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>     - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
>     - Put the engine on a stand
> - Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
> - Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
>     - Remove the decklid
>     - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt
> radiator)
>     - Drain engine oil
>     - Drain ZF gear oil
>     - Unhook fuel line and cork
>     - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
>     - Unhook all wiring, set aside
>     - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
>     - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
>     - Remove A/C Condensor
>     - Unhook headers
>     - Unhook transmission linkage
>     - Unhook transmission wiring
>     - Unhook half-shafts
>     - Remove clutch slave, set aside
>     - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
> - Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
>     - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
>     - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
>     - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine,
> otherwise.... more money)
> - Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)
>
> But then.....
> - I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB on
> there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the
> Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach
> I engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
> - I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but
> I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it
> work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
> - If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting
> doughnuts. (more money)
> - If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system,
> ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in
> the engine bay)
> - Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.
>
> So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get that
> darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and
> "practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.
>
> Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and
> coveted my neighbors ponies.
>
> Asa Jay    ****
>
> & Shelley Marie****
>
> Spokane, WA****
>
> ******************************     ****
>
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com****
>
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com****
>
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism****
>
>
> On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: ****
>
> So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).****
>
>  ****
>
> Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera
> motor, use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in
> the mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he
> had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped
> something big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your
> new wheels, too.****
>
>  ****
>
> Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . ****
>
>  ****
>
> Morally unemployed,****
>
> David in Durango****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> [1] next winter = appropriate economic time****
>
> ----- Original Message ----- ****
>
> *From:* Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> ****
>
> *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com ****
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM****
>
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>
> The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
> The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
> nnnnnnngh......
> I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
> rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
> It's winter........
> I'm not driving the car......
> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
> Must.... resist.... temptation.
>
> If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for
> the car and I can't have that.
>
> must.... resist....
>
> Asa Jay****
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired****
>
> & Shelley Marie****
>
> Spokane, WA****
>
> ******************************     ****
>
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com****
>
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com****
>
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism****
>
>
> On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: ****
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related****
>
>  ****
>
> just in case you've forgotten.****
>
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>
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From asajay at asajay.com  Sun Dec  4 09:15:09 2011
From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 09:15:09 -0800
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Aaaaaaargh,

Keep talkin'... yea... go ahead.... just KEEEEEEP Talkin'


New valves
New retainers
New keepers
- figure on the guides needed replaced or sleeved
- new three-angle valve job
- assuming no seats need to be replaced (would be nice to put hardened 
seats in)
- should machine the guides for positive-type seals
- MUST maintain proper valve stem installed height due to bolt-down rockers
- can't have the head faced, or it throws off the rocker install

The slippery slope....
- while I'm in there, I should go ahead and replace the cam/lifters
- but then I'd probably need to consider an adjustable valve train
- I'd like to move to head studs (yea, a bit more difficult to remove 
the heads from the engine bay)
- If I'm in that far, it would be nice to swap all the bearings
- but if I'm in that far I should check the cylinders and replace the 
rings on the pistons
- but if I find out I have too much slop in the cylinders I should get 
it bored .010 over or so
- which leads to new pistons
- hmmm, I've been thinkin' about a stroker for the next build....
- Sam "Okay 'grandpa' now that it's 2020, when you are going to fix the 
Pantera so I can drive it?"

Back to reality.  Advantages:
- replaces all those two-piece valves
- gives me the chance to swap the intake to one of the FPP dual-plane 
models I have

Disadvantages:
- cost
- doesn't replace that one noisy lifter that comes and goes

Swap the engine from the Mach I:
- new fluids.
- new pilot bearing.
- not as slippery of a slope.

I'll probably stay torn on this for a while.
Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
&  Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/4/2011 8:13 AM, bob Radefeld wrote:
> Dear Chuck,
> Weren't you one of the folks with advice regarding the "slippery 
> slope" syndrome that so easily occurs when one pulls his engine? That 
> certainly applied to me when my engine came out of my car & I've got a 
> hunch it could very easily infect Asa if he swaps engines. If he can 
> somehow "immunize" himself against this happening then YES, I would 
> agree that swapping engines might allow for a smaller outlay of $$ for 
> him. Personally, however, I would pull only the heads & be more 
> assured that my chances of sliding were minimized to the max.........FWIW.
> Bob
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net 
> <mailto:cengles at cox.net>> wrote:
>
>     Dear Mr. Not Completely Stock Engine Owner,
>
>                       My biggest concern was with the lousy plastic
>     timing gear and you?ve taken care of that.  I had forgotten about
>     the two piece valves.  I think the best and most unpleasant
>     comments on that are from JB and  Rowdy.   To paraphrase one of my
>     favorite quotes for this situation: ?As long as nothing happens to
>     the engine, there?s no danger.?
>
>                        Perhaps for the least financial cost, the
>     Mustang engine transplant might the best deal.  You said that the
>     biggest dollar cost would be adjusting or rebuilding the carb for
>     it?s new situation in the Pantera.   You could put the Pantera
>     engine on a stand and then??..put the Mustang on the proverbial
>     back burner of ?when I get ?round tuit? and/or begin another
>     engine build from those three re-builders you have for a Mustang
>     powerplant.
>
>                                          Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
>
>     Fr*om:*tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
>     <mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com>
>     [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
>     <mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com>] *On Behalf Of *Asa Jay
>     Laughton
>     *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:52 PM
>     *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com <mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>
>     *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
>     Well the fact is there is nothing -wrong- with the stock engine
>     -in- the Pantera right now.  Except for doomsayer's like John (no
>     offense intended) who keep a tinge of doubt in my mind, I have no
>     qualms about running this engine at 100 MPH for 90 miles.  It
>     needs nothing right now other than an oil and filter change, well
>     and maybe a new radiator (or rebuilt, I'm working on that).
>
>     Granted, running it between WOT and full Brakes on the local track
>     for 20 minutes at a shot, or brutalizing it on an autocross course
>     isn't the same.  Might it not survive 100 MPH for 90 miles?  Maybe.
>
>     Two years ago I replaced all the valve stem keepers and valve stem
>     seals.  I've tuned it for no-knock on 92 Octane pump gas (of
>     course it's a '73 de-tuned engine anyway.)  It has a full-roller
>     timing set (after the stock set went south).  Okay, so it's not
>     strictly stock, like Brock Tella stock, okay?
>
>     No worries though, I'm not about to spend a brazilian dollars on
>     new parts for a new rebuild.  That comes secondary.  What the
>     angst is about is whether to buy in to the idea the stock engine
>     might grenade on course and instead run the engine I've built for
>     the Mach I.  Details on that engine build are here:
>     http://www.asajay.com/351rebuild/351rebuild.htm
>
>     It's been running in the Mach I since 2001, just not been driven a
>     whole lot.
>
>     <sigh>  I just need new shocks/springs, a new radiator, wheels and
>     tires, an oil and filter change and I'll be ready.  But I'll also
>     listen to other advice.  What other reasons are there that my
>     engine as it is might not make it 90 miles at 100 MPH?
>
>     Asa Jay
>
>
>
>     Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>
>     &  Shelley Marie
>
>     Spokane, WA
>
>     ******************************
>
>     http://www.racingagainstautism.com  <http://www.racingagainstautism.com/>
>
>     http://www.teampanteraracing.com  <http://www.teampanteraracing.com/>
>
>     http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
>
>     On 12/3/2011 5:35 PM,  Charles Engles wrote:
>
>     Dear Asa,
>
>                      Ahem.  That should read: ***John?s*email is
>     filled with words of wisdom.
>
>                                               My bad,  Chuck Engles
>
>     *From:*tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
>     <mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com>
>     [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com]***On Behalf Of* Charles
>     Engles
>     *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
>     *To:* 'John Bentley'; 'Asa Jay Laughton';
>     tpr at teampanteraracing.com <mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>     *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
>     Dear Asa,
>
>                           John email is filled with words of wisdom.
>
>                                                      Warmest regards, 
>     Chuck Engles
>
>     *From:*tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
>     <mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com>
>     [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com]***On Behalf Of* John
>     Bentley
>     *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
>     *To:* Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>     <mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>     *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
>     Asa,
>
>     You gotta stop this!  Don't run Silver State with an original
>     un-touched engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile
>     25!  Don't worry about the long list of $20k worth of parts you
>     WANT and just get it running and run the 100 MPH class.  Take
>     smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it again. :)  My garage is
>     filled with parts I have collected along the way and if I waited
>     until they were all installed it would never leave the jack stands.
>
>     Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your
>     engine......!
>
>     JB
>
>     *From:*Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> <mailto:asajay at asajay.com>
>     *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com <mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>     *Sent:* Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
>     You're excellency,
>
>     There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute
>     for The Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and
>     John Christian on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a
>     refrigerator specifically designated for beer.  Although it's not
>     normally stocked, it miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop
>     cloth comes to stay.  And one of the natives has a "Hut" always
>     well stocked with pizza.
>
>     I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera. 
>     It's an original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still
>     runs.  Yes.... the more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a
>     chance on breaking something, which I sometimes have angst
>     about.... until I climb in, fire it up and drive away.  So on the
>     one hand, I really should swap it, but on the other... how cool
>     would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed class,
>     with the original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40
>     years after it was made?  ...   WOW!
>
>     The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven
>     it in -over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and
>     paint.  But I just know if it sits for -long- without an
>     engine.... it will depress me even further as to it's non-driven
>     state.  That engine is -not- numbers matching and I could pretty
>     much put it anywhere I want without any angst.
>
>     The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting
>     further forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It
>     isn't a good candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last
>     time and has nearly 80K miles on it or so.  I have three others
>     stored that I could use for new rebuilt platforms, but I don't
>     know what condition they are in.... again, the Northwest PRI has
>     no money for research at the moment.
>
>     If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it
>     would most likely happen in January and would look something like
>     this:
>
>     - Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
>     - Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
>         - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove
>     radiator
>         - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
>         - Remove fan belts and fan
>         - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
>     necessary)
>         - Remove alternator
>         - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
>         - Remove carb, tape over intake
>         - Remove distributor
>         - Unbolt headers at head
>         - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay
>     Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>         - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
>         - Put the engine on a stand
>     - Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
>     - Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
>         - Remove the decklid
>         - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or
>     rebuilt radiator)
>         - Drain engine oil
>         - Drain ZF gear oil
>         - Unhook fuel line and cork
>         - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
>         - Unhook all wiring, set aside
>         - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
>         - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
>         - Remove A/C Condensor
>         - Unhook headers
>         - Unhook transmission linkage
>         - Unhook transmission wiring
>         - Unhook half-shafts
>         - Remove clutch slave, set aside
>         - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
>     - Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
>         - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
>         - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one
>     (money)
>         - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are
>     fine, otherwise.... more money)
>     - Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)
>
>     But then.....
>     - I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The
>     Carter AFB on there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The
>     Holley from the Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the
>     higher horsepower of the Mach I engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune
>     the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
>     - I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the
>     Pantera but I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine
>     compartment to make it work.  Best to do that while the engine is
>     out. (more money)
>     - If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber
>     mounting doughnuts. (more money)
>     - If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling
>     system, ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some
>     creative work in the engine bay)
>     - Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't
>     being used.
>
>     So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I
>     get that darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8
>     engine in my bones and "practicality" begins to get awfully
>     transparent.
>
>     Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more
>     horsepower and coveted my neighbors ponies.
>
>     Asa Jay
>
>     & Shelley Marie
>
>     Spokane, WA
>
>     ******************************
>
>     http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>     <http://www.racingagainstautism.com/>
>
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>
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>
>
>     On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote:
>
>     So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).
>
>     Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the
>     Pantera motor, use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and
>     have some fun in the mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate
>     labor for 3-4 days if he had a place to stay and beer/pizza
>     rations.  That way, if you dropped something big, you would have
>     back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels, too.
>
>     Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . .
>
>     Morally unemployed,
>
>     David in Durango
>
>     [1] next winter = appropriate economic time
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>
>     *From:* Asa Jay Laughton <mailto:asajay at asajay.com>
>
>     *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com <mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>
>     *Sent:*Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM
>
>     *Subject:*Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
>     AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>
>     The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
>     The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
>     nnnnnnngh......
>     I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
>     rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
>     It's winter........
>     I'm not driving the car......
>     mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
>     Must.... resist.... temptation.
>
>     If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death
>     nell for the car and I can't have that.
>
>     must.... resist....
>
>     Asa Jay
>
>     Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>
>     & Shelley Marie
>
>     Spokane, WA
>
>     ******************************
>
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>     <http://www.racingagainstautism.com/>
>
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>
>     http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
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>     On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote:
>
>     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related
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>     Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
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From cengles at cox.net  Sun Dec  4 09:19:16 2011
From: cengles at cox.net ( Charles Engles)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 11:19:16 -0600
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Dear Bob,

 

 

                   In my opinion it is always a slippery slope and planning
helps to keep you from ending up on the black slope with the moguls...

 

 

                                    Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

 

From: bob Radefeld [mailto:bob at radefeld.com] 
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:14 AM
To: Charles Engles
Cc: Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

 

Dear Chuck,

 

Weren't you one of the folks with advice regarding the "slippery slope"
syndrome that so easily occurs when one pulls his engine? That certainly
applied to me when my engine came out of my car & I've got a hunch it could
very easily infect Asa if he swaps engines. If he can somehow "immunize"
himself against this happening then YES, I would agree that swapping engines
might allow for a smaller outlay of $$ for him. Personally, however, I would
pull only the heads & be more assured that my chances of sliding were
minimized to the max.........FWIW.

 

 

Bob 

 



 

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:

Dear Mr. Not Completely Stock Engine Owner,

 

 

 

                  My biggest concern was with the lousy plastic timing gear
and you've taken care of that.  I had forgotten about the two piece valves.
I think the best and most unpleasant comments on that are from JB and
Rowdy.   To paraphrase one of my favorite quotes for this situation: "As
long as nothing happens to the engine, there's no danger."

 

                   Perhaps for the least financial cost, the Mustang engine
transplant might the best deal.  You said that the biggest dollar cost would
be adjusting or rebuilding the carb for it's new situation in the Pantera.
You could put the Pantera engine on a stand and then....put the Mustang on
the proverbial back burner of "when I get 'round tuit" and/or begin another
engine build from those three re-builders you have for a Mustang powerplant.

 

 

                                     Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

 

 

 

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Asa Jay Laughton
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:52 PM
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 


Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

 

Well the fact is there is nothing -wrong- with the stock engine -in- the
Pantera right now.  Except for doomsayer's like John (no offense intended)
who keep a tinge of doubt in my mind, I have no qualms about running this
engine at 100 MPH for 90 miles.  It needs nothing right now other than an
oil and filter change, well and maybe a new radiator (or rebuilt, I'm
working on that).

Granted, running it between WOT and full Brakes on the local track for 20
minutes at a shot, or brutalizing it on an autocross course isn't the same.
Might it not survive 100 MPH for 90 miles?  Maybe.

Two years ago I replaced all the valve stem keepers and valve stem seals.
I've tuned it for no-knock on 92 Octane pump gas (of course it's a '73
de-tuned engine anyway.)  It has a full-roller timing set (after the stock
set went south).  Okay, so it's not strictly stock, like Brock Tella stock,
okay?

No worries though, I'm not about to spend a brazilian dollars on new parts
for a new rebuild.  That comes secondary.  What the angst is about is
whether to buy in to the idea the stock engine might grenade on course and
instead run the engine I've built for the Mach I.  Details on that engine
build are here:
http://www.asajay.com/351rebuild/351rebuild.htm

It's been running in the Mach I since 2001, just not been driven a whole
lot.

<sigh>  I just need new shocks/springs, a new radiator, wheels and tires, an
oil and filter change and I'll be ready.  But I'll also listen to other
advice.  What other reasons are there that my engine as it is might not make
it 90 miles at 100 MPH?

Asa Jay




Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
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On 12/3/2011 5:35 PM,  Charles Engles wrote: 

Dear Asa,

 

                 Ahem.  That should read:   John's email is filled with
words of wisdom.   

                                          My bad,  Chuck Engles

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Charles Engles
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
To: 'John Bentley'; 'Asa Jay Laughton'; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

Dear Asa,

                      John email is filled with words of wisdom.    

 

                                                 Warmest regards,  Chuck
Engles

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of John Bentley
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
To: Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

Asa,

You gotta stop this!  Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched
engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!  Don't worry about
the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and
run the 100 MPH class.  Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it again.
:)  My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way and if I
waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack stands.

Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!

JB

From: Asa Jay Laughton  <mailto:asajay at asajay.com> <asajay at asajay.com>
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

You're excellency,

There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The
Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian on
their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a refrigerator specifically
designated for beer.  Although it's not normally stocked, it miraculously
fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay.  And one of the natives
has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.

I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an
original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the more
I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something, which I
sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and drive away.
So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the other... how cool
would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the
original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was
made?  ...   WOW!

The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in
-over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I
just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me
even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers
matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.

The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further
forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good
candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly
80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could use for new
rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again,
the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.

If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would
most likely happen in January and would look something like this:

- Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
- Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
    - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
    - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
    - Remove fan belts and fan
    - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
necessary)
    - Remove alternator
    - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
    - Remove carb, tape over intake
    - Remove distributor
    - Unbolt headers at head
    - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton,
MSgt, USAFR, Retired
    - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
    - Put the engine on a stand
- Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
- Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
    - Remove the decklid
    - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt
radiator)
    - Drain engine oil
    - Drain ZF gear oil
    - Unhook fuel line and cork
    - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
    - Unhook all wiring, set aside
    - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
    - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
    - Remove A/C Condensor
    - Unhook headers
    - Unhook transmission linkage
    - Unhook transmission wiring
    - Unhook half-shafts
    - Remove clutch slave, set aside
    - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
- Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
    - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
    - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
    - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine,
otherwise.... more money)
- Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

But then.....
- I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB on
there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the Pantera
would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach I
engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
- I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but
I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it
work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
- If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting
doughnuts. (more money)
- If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system, ala
John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in the
engine bay)
- Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.

So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get that
darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and
"practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and
coveted my neighbors ponies.

Asa Jay    

& Shelley Marie

Spokane, WA

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On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).

 

Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor,
use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the
mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a
place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped something
big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels,
too.

 

Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 

 

Morally unemployed,

David in Durango

 

 

 

[1] next winter = appropriate economic time

----- Original Message ----- 

From:  <mailto:asajay at asajay.com> Asa Jay Laughton 

To:  <mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com> tpr at teampanteraracing.com 

Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM

Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
nnnnnnngh......
I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
It's winter........
I'm not driving the car......
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
Must.... resist.... temptation.

If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the
car and I can't have that.

must.... resist....

Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired

& Shelley Marie

Spokane, WA

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<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related>
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just in case you've forgotten.

 

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From bob at radefeld.com  Sun Dec  4 10:40:33 2011
From: bob at radefeld.com (bob Radefeld)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 12:40:33 -0600
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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 Agreed Chuck!

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:

>  Dear Bob,****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
>                    In my opinion it is always a slippery slope and
> planning helps to keep you from ending up on the black slope with the
> moguls??.****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
>                                     Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* bob Radefeld [mailto:bob at radefeld.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:14 AM
> *To:* Charles Engles
> *Cc:* Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
>   ** **
>
> Dear Chuck,****
>
>  ****
>
> Weren't you one of the folks with advice regarding the "slippery slope"
> syndrome that so easily occurs when one pulls his engine? That certainly
> applied to me when my engine came out of my car & I've got a hunch it could
> very easily infect Asa if he swaps engines. If he can somehow "immunize"
> himself against this happening then YES, I would agree that swapping
> engines might allow for a smaller outlay of $$ for him. Personally,
> however, I would pull only the heads & be more assured that my chances of
> sliding were minimized to the max.........FWIW.****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> Bob ****
>
>  ****
>
>
>
>  ****
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:***
> *
>
> Dear Mr. Not Completely Stock Engine Owner,****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
>                   My biggest concern was with the lousy plastic timing
> gear and you?ve taken care of that.  I had forgotten about the two piece
> valves.  I think the best and most unpleasant comments on that are from JB
> and  Rowdy.   To paraphrase one of my favorite quotes for this situation:
> ?As long as nothing happens to the engine, there?s no danger.?****
>
>  ****
>
>                    Perhaps for the least financial cost, the Mustang
> engine transplant might the best deal.  You said that the biggest dollar
> cost would be adjusting or rebuilding the carb for it?s new situation in
> the Pantera.   You could put the Pantera engine on a stand and then??..put
> the Mustang on the proverbial back burner of ?when I get ?round tuit?
> and/or begin another engine build from those three re-builders you have for
> a Mustang powerplant.****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
>                                      Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> Fr*om:* tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [mailto:
> tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] *On Behalf Of *Asa Jay Laughton
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:52 PM
> *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com ****
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
>  ****
>
> Well the fact is there is nothing -wrong- with the stock engine -in- the
> Pantera right now.  Except for doomsayer's like John (no offense intended)
> who keep a tinge of doubt in my mind, I have no qualms about running this
> engine at 100 MPH for 90 miles.  It needs nothing right now other than an
> oil and filter change, well and maybe a new radiator (or rebuilt, I'm
> working on that).
>
> Granted, running it between WOT and full Brakes on the local track for 20
> minutes at a shot, or brutalizing it on an autocross course isn't the
> same.  Might it not survive 100 MPH for 90 miles?  Maybe.
>
> Two years ago I replaced all the valve stem keepers and valve stem seals.
> I've tuned it for no-knock on 92 Octane pump gas (of course it's a '73
> de-tuned engine anyway.)  It has a full-roller timing set (after the stock
> set went south).  Okay, so it's not strictly stock, like Brock Tella stock,
> okay?
>
> No worries though, I'm not about to spend a brazilian dollars on new parts
> for a new rebuild.  That comes secondary.  What the angst is about is
> whether to buy in to the idea the stock engine might grenade on course and
> instead run the engine I've built for the Mach I.  Details on that engine
> build are here:
> http://www.asajay.com/351rebuild/351rebuild.htm
>
> It's been running in the Mach I since 2001, just not been driven a whole
> lot.
>
> <sigh>  I just need new shocks/springs, a new radiator, wheels and tires,
> an oil and filter change and I'll be ready.  But I'll also listen to other
> advice.  What other reasons are there that my engine as it is might not
> make it 90 miles at 100 MPH?
>
> Asa Jay
>
>
> ****
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired****
>
> & Shelley Marie****
>
> Spokane, WA****
>
> ******************************     ****
>
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com****
>
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com****
>
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism****
>
>
> On 12/3/2011 5:35 PM,  Charles Engles wrote: ****
>
> Dear Asa,****
>
>  ****
>
>                  Ahem.  That should read:  * **John?s* email is filled
> with words of wisdom.   ****
>
>                                           My bad,  Chuck Engles****
>
> *From:* tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [
> mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com<tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com>
> ]* **On Behalf Of* Charles Engles
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
> *To:* 'John Bentley'; 'Asa Jay Laughton'; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
> Dear Asa,****
>
>                       John email is filled with words of wisdom.    ****
>
>  ****
>
>                                                  Warmest regards,  Chuck
> Engles****
>
> *From:* tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [
> mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com<tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com>
> ]* **On Behalf Of* John Bentley
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
> *To:* Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
> Asa,****
>
> You gotta stop this!  Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched
> engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!  Don't worry about
> the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and
> run the 100 MPH class.  Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it
> again. :)  My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way
> and if I waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack
> stands.****
>
> Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!*
> ***
>
> JB****
>
> *From:* Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> <asajay at asajay.com>
> *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
> You're excellency,
>
> There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The
> Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian
> on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a refrigerator
> specifically designated for beer.  Although it's not normally stocked, it
> miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay.  And one
> of the natives has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.
>
> I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an
> original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the
> more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something,
> which I sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and
> drive away.  So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the
> other... how cool would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed
> class, with the original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40
> years after it was made?  ...   WOW!
>
> The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in
> -over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I
> just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me
> even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers
> matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.
>
> The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further
> forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good
> candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly
> 80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could use for new
> rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again,
> the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.
>
> If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would
> most likely happen in January and would look something like this:
>
> - Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
> - Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
>     - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
>     - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
>     - Remove fan belts and fan
>     - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
> necessary)
>     - Remove alternator
>     - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
>     - Remove carb, tape over intake
>     - Remove distributor
>     - Unbolt headers at head
>     - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton,
> MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>     - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
>     - Put the engine on a stand
> - Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
> - Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
>     - Remove the decklid
>     - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt
> radiator)
>     - Drain engine oil
>     - Drain ZF gear oil
>     - Unhook fuel line and cork
>     - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
>     - Unhook all wiring, set aside
>     - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
>     - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
>     - Remove A/C Condensor
>     - Unhook headers
>     - Unhook transmission linkage
>     - Unhook transmission wiring
>     - Unhook half-shafts
>     - Remove clutch slave, set aside
>     - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
> - Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
>     - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
>     - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
>     - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine,
> otherwise.... more money)
> - Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)
>
> But then.....
> - I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB on
> there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the
> Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach
> I engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
> - I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but
> I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it
> work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
> - If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting
> doughnuts. (more money)
> - If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system,
> ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in
> the engine bay)
> - Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.
>
> So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get that
> darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and
> "practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.
>
> Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and
> coveted my neighbors ponies.
>
> Asa Jay    ****
>
> & Shelley Marie****
>
> Spokane, WA****
>
> ******************************     ****
>
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com****
>
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com****
>
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism****
>
>
> On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: ****
>
> So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).****
>
>  ****
>
> Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera
> motor, use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in
> the mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he
> had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped
> something big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your
> new wheels, too.****
>
>  ****
>
> Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . ****
>
>  ****
>
> Morally unemployed,****
>
> David in Durango****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> [1] next winter = appropriate economic time****
>
> ----- Original Message ----- ****
>
> *From:* Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> ****
>
> *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com ****
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM****
>
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>
> The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
> The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
> nnnnnnngh......
> I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
> rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
> It's winter........
> I'm not driving the car......
> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
> Must.... resist.... temptation.
>
> If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for
> the car and I can't have that.
>
> must.... resist....
>
> Asa Jay****
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired****
>
> & Shelley Marie****
>
> Spokane, WA****
>
> ******************************     ****
>
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com****
>
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com****
>
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism****
>
>
> On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: ****
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related****
>
>  ****
>
> just in case you've forgotten.****
>
>  ****
>
> Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!****
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From teampantera at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  5 10:46:50 2011
From: teampantera at yahoo.com (Mad Dog Antenucci)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 10:46:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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And now for the dissenting opinion;

If you don't have millions of dollars falling out of your pocket like Chuck and others <grin> do.............remember mosty anything-Detroit iron that has 8 working cylinders that will get you BACK in the driver's seat of your Pantera is a good thing.?

I think waiting months or years doesn't work unless you just ain't man enough to go to the junkyard or to the Mustang and pull that engine you need....okay kidding here guys.....see lots of smiley faces :-) ;-) ;-) ;-)

But if youdon't want to drive the Pantera anymore then doing nothing will be okay too <more grins).....after all ain't you got lots of rain, snow and ice now??

Yea of course you do..... so best time to put in a ?'doner' engine until you have more bucks to work with is right now....that way come spring you are ready to drive the Pantera again.

PS I am still waiting for a sponsor to build my 1,000 HP twin turbo street engine for the Pantera ;-)


?
Mad Dawg Antenucci 
Team Pantera Racing 
The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing 
www.teampanteraracing.com


________________________________
 From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
To: 'Asa Jay Laughton' <asajay at asajay.com> 
Cc: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
 

Dear Asa,
?
?
????????????????? Why don?t you just build another engine over the winter and pop it into the Pantera???? Or??more economically, pull the Pantera engine and add new bearings on the lower end and bolt on some 4V heads with port stuffers plus a Funnelweb intake and a new cam??? The Pantera is important, but you wouldn?t want to sacrifice a perfectly good Mach I for a powerplant.
?
?
???????????????? ????????????????Warmest regards,? Chuck Engles
?
?
?
From:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Asa Jay Laughton
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 3:10 PM
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
nnnnnnngh......
I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
It's winter........
I'm not driving the car......
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
Must.... resist.... temptation.

If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the car and I can't have that.

must.... resist....

Asa Jay


Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************???? 
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
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On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related
?
just in case you've forgotten.
?
Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
?
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From teampantera at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  5 10:47:57 2011
From: teampantera at yahoo.com (Mad Dog Antenucci)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 10:47:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Isn't that what I just said?
Yea of course it is.....okay seriously this is the first time the Pope and I have agreed on anything <grin>
?
Mad Dawg Antenucci 
Team Pantera Racing 
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________________________________
 From: David in Durango <adin at frontier.net>
To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>; tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
 

So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?? Hot motor? (well, 
usable).
?
Swap them out!? If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera 
motor, use it for the dream rebuild? "next winter" [1] and have some fun in 
the mean time.? I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he 
had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.? That way, if you dropped 
something big, you would have back up!? Hell, he might even deliver your 
new wheels, too.
?
Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 
?
Morally unemployed,
David in Durango
?
?
?
[1] next winter = appropriate economic time
----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Asa Jay  Laughton 
>To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
>Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10  PM
>Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . .  . .
>
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>
>The more I -SIT- 
  here and dwell on it.....
>The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I 
  into the Pantera.....
>nnnnnnngh......
>I know I could have it done in a 
  couple weekends....
>rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
>It's winter........
>I'm 
  not driving the car......
>mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
>Must.... 
  resist.... temptation.
>
>If I take that engine out of the Mustang... 
  it'll be the death nell for the car and I can't have that.
>
>must.... 
  resist....
>
>Asa Jay
>
>Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
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>On 
  12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
> 
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related
>>?
>>just in case you've forgotten.
>>?
>>Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
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From teampantera at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  5 10:52:04 2011
From: teampantera at yahoo.com (Mad Dog Antenucci)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 10:52:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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STOP being a girl AJ and follow my advise....or that advise I got from Doc, JB and the Pope. ;-)
?
Mad Dawg Antenucci 
Team Pantera Racing 
The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing 
www.teampanteraracing.com


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 From: John Bentley <gndplne at yahoo.com>
To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>; "tpr at teampanteraracing.com" <tpr at teampanteraracing.com> 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
 

Asa,

You gotta stop this!? Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!? Don't worry about the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and run the 100 MPH class.? Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it again. :)? My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way and if I waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack stands.


Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!


JB


________________________________
 From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
 

You're excellency,

There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for
    The Pope.? The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John
    Christian on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.? I have a
    refrigerator specifically designated for beer.? Although it's not
    normally stocked, it miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop
    cloth comes to stay.? And one of the natives has a "Hut" always well
    stocked with pizza.

I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.?
    It's an original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.?
    Yes.... the more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on
    breaking something, which I sometimes have angst about.... until I
    climb in, fire it up and drive away.? So on the one hand, I really
    should swap it, but on the other... how cool would it be to complete
    the SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the original numbers
    matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was made??
    ...?? WOW!

The Mach I could sit without an engine.? I haven't actually driven
    it in -over- a year.? It's really in a sad state of bodywork and
    paint.? But I just know if it sits for -long- without an engine....
    it will depress me even further as to it's non-driven state.? That
    engine is -not- numbers matching and I could pretty much put it
    anywhere I want without any angst.

The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting
    further forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.? It isn't
    a good candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time
    and has nearly 80K miles on it or so.? I have three others stored
    that I could use for new rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what
    condition they are in.... again, the Northwest PRI has no money for
    research at the moment.

If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it
    would most likely happen in January and would look something like
    this:

- Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
- Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
??? - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove
    radiator
??? - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
??? - Remove fan belts and fan
??? - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
    necessary)
??? - Remove alternator
??? - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
??? - Remove carb, tape over intake
??? - Remove distributor
??? - Unbolt headers at head
??? - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay
    Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
??? - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
??? - Put the engine on a stand
- Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
- Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
??? - Remove the decklid
??? - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or
    rebuilt radiator)
??? - Drain engine oil
??? - Drain ZF gear oil
??? - Unhook fuel line and cork
??? - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
??? - Unhook all wiring, set aside
??? - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
??? - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
??? - Remove A/C Condensor
??? - Unhook headers
??? - Unhook transmission linkage
??? - Unhook transmission wiring
??? - Unhook half-shafts
??? - Remove clutch slave, set aside
??? - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
- Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
??? - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
??? - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one
    (money)
??? - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are
    fine, otherwise.... more money)
- Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

But then.....
- I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.? The Carter
    AFB on there works, but not as optimally as it should.? The Holley
    from the Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the higher
    horsepower of the Mach I engine.? Do I rebuild and re-tune the
    Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
- I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the
    Pantera but I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine
    compartment to make it work.? Best to do that while the engine is
    out. (more money)
- If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber
    mounting doughnuts. (more money)
- If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling
    system, ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some
    creative work in the engine bay)
- Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being
    used.

So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.? But I get
    that darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in
    my bones and "practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower
    and coveted my neighbors ponies.

Asa Jay ?? 



& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
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On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?? Hot motor? (well, usable).
>?
>Swap them out!? If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor, use it for the dream rebuild? "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the mean time.? I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.? That way, if you dropped something big, you would have back up!? Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels, too.
>?
>Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 
>?
>Morally unemployed,
>David in Durango
>?
>?
>?
>[1] next winter = appropriate economic time
>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: Asa Jay Laughton 
>>To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
>>Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM
>>Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>>
>>
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>>
>>The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
>>The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the
        Pantera.....
>>nnnnnnngh......
>>I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
>>rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
>>It's winter........
>>I'm not driving the car......
>>mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
>>Must.... resist.... temptation.
>>
>>If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death
        nell for the car and I can't have that.
>>
>>must.... resist....
>>
>>Asa Jay
>>
>>Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>>On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
>> 
>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related
>>>?
>>>just in case you've forgotten.
>>>?
>>>Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
>>>
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From teampantera at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  5 11:35:16 2011
From: teampantera at yahoo.com (Mad Dog Antenucci)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 11:35:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] Fw: Gone in less than 60 seconds: 11 luxury sports cars
	wrecked in expensive pileup (Note the Porsche comes through
	unscathed)
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Proof that Japanese drivers are out of control
?
Mad Dawg Antenucci 
Team Pantera Racing 
The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing 
www.teampanteraracing.com

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Sent: Monday, December 5, 2011 11:12 AM
Subject: Gone in less than 60 seconds: 11 luxury sports cars wrecked in expensive pileup (Note the Porsche comes through unscathed)
 
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From michaelsavga at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 06:33:22 2011
From: michaelsavga at gmail.com (michael@michaelshortt.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:33:22 -0500
Subject: [TPR] FOR YOU TOOL NUTS...A NEW GAUGE
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  *FOR ALL of YOU TOOL NUTS  .....  *



  *I just bought this new gauge from Home Depot's Tool Dept.*

  *It takes a while to learn all the settings but I'm pretty handy*
  *and was patient, so I figured it out eventually.*

  *You know for sure with this gauge, there is no more guessing!*




  *Home Depot......A man's toy  store......... *










  *It's just so much fun to use. I really love it!!!*

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From teampantera at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 24 09:16:44 2011
From: teampantera at yahoo.com (Mad Dog Antenucci)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 09:16:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] Merry Christmas - Racers Only
Message-ID: <1324747004.3439.YahooMailNeo@web121903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Racer Guys & Laurie (But no one else;-)

Merry Christmas amigo's!
Most of you should already have got ready for football playoffs back in midwest or right coast...your feet propped up on the sofa ready for the play offs.?

Was just thinking about our little dysfunctional group and wanted all of you to know I was thinking about all of you......

Love ya guys

Dawg
Team Pantera Racing
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From adin at frontier.net  Sat Dec 24 09:36:01 2011
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 10:36:01 -0700
Subject: [TPR] Merry Christmas - Racers Only
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Foot f__king ball?  What kind of a lame pat-me-on-the-ass thing is that???

I'll be in the garage, working on the Pantera.

Butt, Hope everyone has a safe, warm, and wonderful holiday.

http://images44.fotki.com/v1409/photos/4/43175/2747095/xmas88019-vi.jpg

Ho, Ho, Ho, pimp.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mad Dog Antenucci 
  To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 10:16 AM
  Subject: [TPR] Merry Christmas - Racers Only


  Racer Guys & Laurie (But no one else;-)


  Merry Christmas amigo's!
  Most of you should already have got ready for football playoffs back in midwest or right coast...your feet propped up on the sofa ready for the play offs. 


  Was just thinking about our little dysfunctional group and wanted all of you to know I was thinking about all of you......


  Love ya guys


  Dawg
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From teampantera at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 24 09:47:05 2011
From: teampantera at yahoo.com (Mad Dog Antenucci)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 09:47:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] Merry Christmas - Racers Only
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Awsome!
And your right homey.....I forgot! ?And Iforget not everyone is basking in 70-75F blue skys and sunshine!?
I'm gonna be DRIVING today and espially tomorrow morning...wake up call for neighbors.

Off to beach.

Dawg

________________________________
 From: David in Durango <adin at frontier.net>
To: Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>; tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [TPR] Merry Christmas - Racers Only
 

 
Foot f__king ball?? What kind of a lame pat-me-on-the-ass thing is 
that???
?
I'll be in the garage, working on the Pantera.
?
Butt, Hope everyone has a safe, warm, and wonderful holiday.
?
http://images44.fotki.com/v1409/photos/4/43175/2747095/xmas88019-vi.jpg
?
Ho, Ho, Ho, pimp.
----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Mad Dog  Antenucci 
>To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
>Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 10:16  AM
>Subject: [TPR] Merry Christmas - Racers  Only
>
>
>Racer Guys & Laurie (But no one else;-)
>
>
>Merry Christmas amigo's!
>Most of you should already have got ready for football playoffs back in  midwest or right coast...your feet propped up on the sofa ready for the play  offs.?
>
>
>Was just thinking about our little dysfunctional group and wanted all of  you to know I was thinking about all of you......
>
>
>Love ya guys
>
>
>Dawg
>Team Pantera Racing
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From asajay at asajay.com  Fri Dec  2 10:07:44 2011
From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 18:07:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TPR] Asa Jay Laughton wants you to see this review at Amazon.com
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Amazon.com: Online Shopping for Electronics, Apparel, Computers, Books, DVDs & more 
 Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> requested that we send this e-mail. If you have questions about Amazon.com, please visit our Help Department(http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/508510/ref=cm_sw_em_r_asr_Z8FqC.1DXH9MJ_h). 

  
      Asa writes: 
  Back in 2008, TPR President Dennis "Mad Dawg" Antenucci gave me an old Garmin GPS III Plus in hopes I might put it to use myself in some upcoming ORR.  When I moved to a new Windows7 64-bit computer, I no longer had any serial ports to plug this in to do data analysis.

I know some of you have used or are still using this same kind of GPS (the older ones that work better and are more accurate).  So if you have one of these that requires a serial port, and you're running a newfangled computer -without- serial ports, check out the review I just wrote on Amazon for a product that saved the day.

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From teampantera at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  2 11:06:27 2011
From: teampantera at yahoo.com (Mad Dog Antenucci)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 11:06:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay Laughton wants you
	to see this review at Amazon.com
In-Reply-To: <urn.correios.msg.201112021807440e0ce8c3b8d24470a5db1e6e4c483c53@1322849264469.rte-svc-na-i-81e1a9eb.us-east-1.amazon.com>
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I didn't 'give-it' to you....I DONATED it to you SLACKER..... because you said you were gonna run an open road race....that was back in 2008....that part about the YEAR you got right.?

What year is it now?
LOL.....Okay just kidding.

Merry Christmas....happy holidays to everyone including AJ ;-)>

Any of you see or read on the news about the wind storms we have here in California?
Remember that 100 foot pine tree behind my house?

The wind storm that 100' pine tree down behind my house....I felt dramatized and all most cried.....fortunately it landed on my neighbors house....okay maybe NOT his house..... but it wasn't on MY house either! ;-)>

Thanking the Pantera Gods
?
Mad "Lucky' Dawg Antenucci 
Team Pantera Racing 
The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing 
www.teampanteraracing.com


________________________________
 From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
To: "tpr at teampanteraracing.com" <tpr at teampanteraracing.com> 
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 10:07 AM
Subject: [TPR] Asa Jay Laughton wants you to see this review at Amazon.com
 

 
Asa Jay Laughton requested that we send this e-mail. If you have questions about Amazon.com, please visit our Help Department . 
? 
 Asa writes:
Back in 2008, TPR President Dennis "Mad Dawg" Antenucci gave me an old Garmin GPS III Plus in hopes I might put it to use myself in some upcoming ORR.  When I moved to a new Windows7 64-bit computer, I no longer had any serial ports to plug this in to do data analysis.

I know some of you have used or are still using this same kind of GPS (the older ones that work better and are more accurate).  So if you have one of these that requires a serial port, and you're running a newfangled computer -without- serial ports, check out the review I just wrote on Amazon for a product that saved the day.

Asa Jay
  
? 
? 
?  Resurrected my Garmin GPS III Plus, December 2, 2011 
by Asa Jay Laughton 

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From asajay at asajay.com  Fri Dec  2 12:24:38 2011
From: asajay at asajay.com (asajay at asajay.com)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 12:24:38 -0800
Subject: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay Laughton
	wants	you to see this review at Amazon.com
In-Reply-To: <1322852787.81283.YahooMailNeo@web121918.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <urn.correios.msg.201112021807440e0ce8c3b8d24470a5db1e6e4c483c53@1322849264469.rte-svc-na-i-81e1a9eb.us-east-1.amazon.com>
	<1322852787.81283.YahooMailNeo@web121918.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111202122438.xi82matz4wgkkgcc@webmail.asajay.com>

Quoting Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>:

> ....I felt  dramatized and all most cried.....

You my friend... are always DRAMATIZED!  :)

and yea... I'm hoping to use that donation next year if I can get  
things properly ready.

Asa Jay


From adin at frontier.net  Fri Dec  2 18:14:25 2011
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 19:14:25 -0700
Subject: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay
	Laughtonwants	you to see this review at Amazon.com
References: <urn.correios.msg.201112021807440e0ce8c3b8d24470a5db1e6e4c483c53@1322849264469.rte-svc-na-i-81e1a9eb.us-east-1.amazon.com><1322852787.81283.YahooMailNeo@web121918.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<20111202122438.xi82matz4wgkkgcc@webmail.asajay.com>
Message-ID: <06C99F922BB945DABE22B172B9A892FF@ZTxp>

Well, AJ . . .  I'm saving a set of wheels for you - hope you can make it!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <asajay at asajay.com>
To: <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay Laughtonwants 
you to see this review at Amazon.com


> Quoting Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>:
>
>> ....I felt  dramatized and all most cried.....
>
> You my friend... are always DRAMATIZED!  :)
>
> and yea... I'm hoping to use that donation next year if I can get
> things properly ready.
>
> Asa Jay
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From asajay at asajay.com  Fri Dec  2 19:47:02 2011
From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 19:47:02 -0800
Subject: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay	Laughtonwants
 you to see this review at Amazon.com
In-Reply-To: <06C99F922BB945DABE22B172B9A892FF@ZTxp>
References: <urn.correios.msg.201112021807440e0ce8c3b8d24470a5db1e6e4c483c53@1322849264469.rte-svc-na-i-81e1a9eb.us-east-1.amazon.com><1322852787.81283.YahooMailNeo@web121918.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>	<20111202122438.xi82matz4wgkkgcc@webmail.asajay.com>
	<06C99F922BB945DABE22B172B9A892FF@ZTxp>
Message-ID: <4ED99BB6.9080207@asajay.com>

I'm trying to save up for those first, I've not forgotten and hate for 
my integrity to wear thin.

Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
&  Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/2/2011 6:14 PM, David in Durango wrote:
> Well, AJ . . .  I'm saving a set of wheels for you - hope you can make it!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:<asajay at asajay.com>
> To:<tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay Laughtonwants
> you to see this review at Amazon.com
>
>
>> Quoting Mad Dog Antenucci<teampantera at yahoo.com>:
>>
>>> ....I felt  dramatized and all most cried.....
>> You my friend... are always DRAMATIZED!  :)
>>
>> and yea... I'm hoping to use that donation next year if I can get
>> things properly ready.
>>
>> Asa Jay
>> _______________________________________________
>> TPR mailing list
>> TPR at teampanteraracing.com
>> http://lists.teampanteraracing.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tpr
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>>
>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
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From adin at frontier.net  Fri Dec  2 20:07:36 2011
From: adin at frontier.net (David)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 21:07:36 -0700
Subject: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay	Laughtonwants
	you to see this review at Amazon.com
In-Reply-To: <4ED99BB6.9080207@asajay.com>
References: <urn.correios.msg.201112021807440e0ce8c3b8d24470a5db1e6e4c483c53@1322849264469.rte-svc-na-i-81e1a9eb.us-east-1.amazon.com>
	<1322852787.81283.YahooMailNeo@web121918.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<20111202122438.xi82matz4wgkkgcc@webmail.asajay.com>
	<06C99F922BB945DABE22B172B9A892FF@ZTxp>
	<4ED99BB6.9080207@asajay.com>
Message-ID: <5117A4B6-7F00-4FEB-B8E4-A92F271203A6@frontier.net>

Your integrity is fine. Just checking. 

Let me know any needs/concerns/deadlines. 

On Dec 2, 2011, at 8:47 PM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:

> I'm trying to save up for those first, I've not forgotten and hate for 
> my integrity to wear thin.
> 
> Asa Jay
> 
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> &  Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
> 
> 
> On 12/2/2011 6:14 PM, David in Durango wrote:
>> Well, AJ . . .  I'm saving a set of wheels for you - hope you can make it!
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From:<asajay at asajay.com>
>> To:<tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay Laughtonwants
>> you to see this review at Amazon.com
>> 
>> 
>>> Quoting Mad Dog Antenucci<teampantera at yahoo.com>:
>>> 
>>>> ....I felt  dramatized and all most cried.....
>>> You my friend... are always DRAMATIZED!  :)
>>> 
>>> and yea... I'm hoping to use that donation next year if I can get
>>> things properly ready.
>>> 
>>> Asa Jay
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TPR mailing list
>>> TPR at teampanteraracing.com
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From teampantera at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  3 08:54:25 2011
From: teampantera at yahoo.com (Mad Dog Antenucci)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 08:54:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay Laughtonwants
	you to see this review at Amazon.com
In-Reply-To: <06C99F922BB945DABE22B172B9A892FF@ZTxp>
References: <urn.correios.msg.201112021807440e0ce8c3b8d24470a5db1e6e4c483c53@1322849264469.rte-svc-na-i-81e1a9eb.us-east-1.amazon.com><1322852787.81283.YahooMailNeo@web121918.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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WTF?
The Pope is gonna be serious now? ?;-)
He must be sick.....okay I'll raise that bed and offer you my tires WHEN (not if) you run during this current decade.
Kidding again. ;-)?
?
Mad Dawg Antenucci 
Team Pantera Racing 
The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing 
www.teampanteraracing.com


________________________________
 From: David in Durango <adin at frontier.net>
To: asajay at asajay.com; tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay Laughtonwants you to see this review at Amazon.com
 
Well, AJ . . .? I'm saving a set of wheels for you - hope you can make it!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <asajay at asajay.com>
To: <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay Laughtonwants 
you to see this review at Amazon.com


> Quoting Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>:
>
>> ....I felt? dramatized and all most cried.....
>
> You my friend... are always DRAMATIZED!? :)
>
> and yea... I'm hoping to use that donation next year if I can get
> things properly ready.
>
> Asa Jay
> _______________________________________________
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> TPR at teampanteraracing.com
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>
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>
> http://www.eset.com
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From adin at frontier.net  Sat Dec  3 12:20:45 2011
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 13:20:45 -0700
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
Message-ID: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related

just in case you've forgotten.

Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
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From asajay at asajay.com  Sat Dec  3 13:05:25 2011
From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 13:05:25 -0800
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
In-Reply-To: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>
References: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>
Message-ID: <4EDA8F15.3030607@asajay.com>

<insert manly grunts here>

I'd like my 351C to sound that good.

Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
&  Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related 
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related>
> just in case you've forgotten.
> Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TPR mailing list
> TPR at teampanteraracing.com
> http://lists.teampanteraracing.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tpr
>
>
> No virus found in this message.
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From asajay at asajay.com  Sat Dec  3 13:10:25 2011
From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 13:10:25 -0800
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
In-Reply-To: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>
References: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>
Message-ID: <4EDA9041.1070108@asajay.com>

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
nnnnnnngh......
I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
It's winter........
I'm not driving the car......
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
Must.... resist.... temptation.

If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for 
the car and I can't have that.

must.... resist....

Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
&  Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related 
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related>
> just in case you've forgotten.
> Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TPR mailing list
> TPR at teampanteraracing.com
> http://lists.teampanteraracing.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tpr
>
>
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com>
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From cengles at cox.net  Sat Dec  3 13:36:25 2011
From: cengles at cox.net ( Charles Engles)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 15:36:25 -0600
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
In-Reply-To: <4EDA9041.1070108@asajay.com>
References: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>
	<4EDA9041.1070108@asajay.com>
Message-ID: <005301ccb203$9c152820$d43f7860$@net>

Dear Asa,

 

 

                  Why don't you just build another engine over the winter
and pop it into the Pantera?    Or..more economically, pull the Pantera
engine and add new bearings on the lower end and bolt on some 4V heads with
port stuffers plus a Funnelweb intake and a new cam?   The Pantera is
important, but you wouldn't want to sacrifice a perfectly good Mach I for a
powerplant.

 

 

                                 Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

 

 

 

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Asa Jay Laughton
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 3:10 PM
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

 

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
nnnnnnngh......
I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
It's winter........
I'm not driving the car......
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
Must.... resist.... temptation.

If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the
car and I can't have that.

must.... resist....

Asa Jay



Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related>
&feature=related

 

just in case you've forgotten.

 

Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!

 
 
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From adin at frontier.net  Sat Dec  3 13:48:10 2011
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 14:48:10 -0700
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
References: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>
	<4EDA9041.1070108@asajay.com>
Message-ID: <62EB471FBC054D0D8FFF4316A4633B1B@ZTxp>

So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).

Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor, use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped something big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels, too.

Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 

Morally unemployed,
David in Durango



[1] next winter = appropriate economic time
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Asa Jay Laughton 
  To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .


  AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

  The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
  The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
  nnnnnnngh......
  I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
  rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
  It's winter........
  I'm not driving the car......
  mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
  Must.... resist.... temptation.

  If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the car and I can't have that.

  must.... resist....

  Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
  On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related

    just in case you've forgotten.

    Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!

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From asajay at asajay.com  Sat Dec  3 14:55:35 2011
From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 14:55:35 -0800
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Message-ID: <4EDAA8E7.8070706@asajay.com>

Dr. Engles,
(Dr. as in Doctor of Pantera's from the Pantera Research Institute (PRI))

I would love nothing more than to spend time in the Northwest PRI lab 
putting together the next great engine to stuff in the Pantera.  Ah, the 
bliss of making sure all the specs are right, assembling all the pieces, 
torquing to spec, trying a new cam/head/intake combination, firing it up 
for the first time..... <sigh>

Last time it took me about $4,000 to do that.  Not bad when you consider 
what the big boys get for a rebuild.  But....

If I even had that money, it would be going to new coil-over shocks and 
springs, new wheels/tires, new radiator, and then SSCC entry fees, hotel 
and travel costs.

As for a refresh.... same story except throw in the fact I have the 
-original- engine in my Pantera and when I take it out, it's going into 
storage for a fairly warmed-over stock rebuild (nothing real fancy).

Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
&  Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 1:36 PM,  Charles Engles wrote:
>
> Dear Asa,
>
>                   Why don't you just build another engine over the 
> winter and pop it into the Pantera?    Or......more economically, pull 
> the Pantera engine and add new bearings on the lower end and bolt on 
> some 4V heads with port stuffers plus a Funnelweb intake and a new 
> cam?   The Pantera is important, but you wouldn't want to sacrifice a 
> perfectly good Mach I for a powerplant.
>
>                                  Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
>
> *From:*tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com 
> [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] *On Behalf Of *Asa Jay Laughton
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 3:10 PM
> *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>
> The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
> The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
> nnnnnnngh......
> I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
> rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
> It's winter........
> I'm not driving the car......
> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
> Must.... resist.... temptation.
>
> If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell 
> for the car and I can't have that.
>
> must.... resist....
>
> Asa Jay
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> &  Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
>
> On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related 
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related>
>
> just in case you've forgotten.
>
> Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
>
>   
>   
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From asajay at asajay.com  Sat Dec  3 15:51:01 2011
From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 15:51:01 -0800
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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You're excellency,

There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The 
Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John 
Christian on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a 
refrigerator specifically designated for beer.  Although it's not 
normally stocked, it miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop cloth 
comes to stay.  And one of the natives has a "Hut" always well stocked 
with pizza.

I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an 
original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the 
more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something, 
which I sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and 
drive away.  So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the 
other... how cool would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit 
speed class, with the original numbers matching engine, never been 
rebuilt, 40 years after it was made?  ...   WOW!

The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in 
-over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I 
just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me 
even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers 
matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.

The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further 
forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good 
candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has 
nearly 80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could 
use for new rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are 
in.... again, the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.

If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would 
most likely happen in January and would look something like this:

- Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
- Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
     - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
     - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
     - Remove fan belts and fan
     - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if 
necessary)
     - Remove alternator
     - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
     - Remove carb, tape over intake
     - Remove distributor
     - Unbolt headers at head
     - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay 
Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
     - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
     - Put the engine on a stand
- Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
- Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
     - Remove the decklid
     - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or 
rebuilt radiator)
     - Drain engine oil
     - Drain ZF gear oil
     - Unhook fuel line and cork
     - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
     - Unhook all wiring, set aside
     - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
     - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
     - Remove A/C Condensor
     - Unhook headers
     - Unhook transmission linkage
     - Unhook transmission wiring
     - Unhook half-shafts
     - Remove clutch slave, set aside
     - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
- Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
     - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
     - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
     - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine, 
otherwise.... more money)
- Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

But then.....
- I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB 
on there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the 
Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the 
Mach I engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the 
Holley?
- I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera 
but I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make 
it work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
- If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting 
doughnuts. (more money)
- If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system, 
ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work 
in the engine bay)
- Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.

So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get 
that darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my 
bones and "practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and 
coveted my neighbors ponies.

Asa Jay


&  Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote:
> So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).
> Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera 
> motor, use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some 
> fun in the mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 
> days if he had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if 
> you dropped something big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might 
> even deliver your new wheels, too.
> Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . .
> Morally unemployed,
> David in Durango
> [1] next winter = appropriate economic time
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Asa Jay Laughton <mailto:asajay at asajay.com>
>     *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com <mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>     *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
>     AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>
>     The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
>     The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
>     nnnnnnngh......
>     I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
>     rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
>     It's winter........
>     I'm not driving the car......
>     mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
>     Must.... resist.... temptation.
>
>     If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death
>     nell for the car and I can't have that.
>
>     must.... resist....
>
>     Asa Jay
>
>     Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>     &  Shelley Marie
>     Spokane, WA
>     ******************************
>     http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>     http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>     http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
>
>     On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote:
>>     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related
>>     <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related>
>>     just in case you've forgotten.
>>     Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
>>
>>
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From gndplne at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  3 16:02:59 2011
From: gndplne at yahoo.com (John Bentley)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 16:02:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Asa,

You gotta stop this!? Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!? Don't worry about the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and run the 100 MPH class.? Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it again. :)? My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way and if I waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack stands.


Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!


JB



________________________________
 From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
 

You're excellency,

There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for
    The Pope.? The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John
    Christian on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.? I have a
    refrigerator specifically designated for beer.? Although it's not
    normally stocked, it miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop
    cloth comes to stay.? And one of the natives has a "Hut" always well
    stocked with pizza.

I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.?
    It's an original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.?
    Yes.... the more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on
    breaking something, which I sometimes have angst about.... until I
    climb in, fire it up and drive away.? So on the one hand, I really
    should swap it, but on the other... how cool would it be to complete
    the SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the original numbers
    matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was made??
    ...?? WOW!

The Mach I could sit without an engine.? I haven't actually driven
    it in -over- a year.? It's really in a sad state of bodywork and
    paint.? But I just know if it sits for -long- without an engine....
    it will depress me even further as to it's non-driven state.? That
    engine is -not- numbers matching and I could pretty much put it
    anywhere I want without any angst.

The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting
    further forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.? It isn't
    a good candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time
    and has nearly 80K miles on it or so.? I have three others stored
    that I could use for new rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what
    condition they are in.... again, the Northwest PRI has no money for
    research at the moment.

If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it
    would most likely happen in January and would look something like
    this:

- Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
- Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
??? - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove
    radiator
??? - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
??? - Remove fan belts and fan
??? - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
    necessary)
??? - Remove alternator
??? - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
??? - Remove carb, tape over intake
??? - Remove distributor
??? - Unbolt headers at head
??? - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay
    Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
??? - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
??? - Put the engine on a stand
- Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
- Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
??? - Remove the decklid
??? - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or
    rebuilt radiator)
??? - Drain engine oil
??? - Drain ZF gear oil
??? - Unhook fuel line and cork
??? - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
??? - Unhook all wiring, set aside
??? - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
??? - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
??? - Remove A/C Condensor
??? - Unhook headers
??? - Unhook transmission linkage
??? - Unhook transmission wiring
??? - Unhook half-shafts
??? - Remove clutch slave, set aside
??? - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
- Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
??? - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
??? - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one
    (money)
??? - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are
    fine, otherwise.... more money)
- Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

But then.....
- I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.? The Carter
    AFB on there works, but not as optimally as it should.? The Holley
    from the Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the higher
    horsepower of the Mach I engine.? Do I rebuild and re-tune the
    Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
- I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the
    Pantera but I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine
    compartment to make it work.? Best to do that while the engine is
    out. (more money)
- If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber
    mounting doughnuts. (more money)
- If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling
    system, ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some
    creative work in the engine bay)
- Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being
    used.

So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.? But I get
    that darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in
    my bones and "practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower
    and coveted my neighbors ponies.

Asa Jay ?? 



& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?? Hot motor? (well, usable).
>?
>Swap them out!? If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor, use it for the dream rebuild? "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the mean time.? I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.? That way, if you dropped something big, you would have back up!? Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels, too.
>?
>Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 
>?
>Morally unemployed,
>David in Durango
>?
>?
>?
>[1] next winter = appropriate economic time
>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: Asa Jay Laughton 
>>To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
>>Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM
>>Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>>
>>
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>>
>>The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
>>The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the
        Pantera.....
>>nnnnnnngh......
>>I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
>>rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
>>It's winter........
>>I'm not driving the car......
>>mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
>>Must.... resist.... temptation.
>>
>>If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death
        nell for the car and I can't have that.
>>
>>must.... resist....
>>
>>Asa Jay
>>
>>Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>>On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
>> 
>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related
>>>?
>>>just in case you've forgotten.
>>>?
>>>Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
>>>
_______________________________________________
TPR mailing list TPR at teampanteraracing.com http://lists.teampanteraracing.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tpr 
>>>
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From cengles at cox.net  Sat Dec  3 17:31:32 2011
From: cengles at cox.net ( Charles Engles)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:31:32 -0600
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
In-Reply-To: <4EDAB5E5.2090608@asajay.com>
References: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>	<4EDA9041.1070108@asajay.com>	<62EB471FBC054D0D8FFF4316A4633B1B@ZTxp>
	<4EDAB5E5.2090608@asajay.com>
Message-ID: <001501ccb224$7465d7e0$5d3187a0$@net>

Dear Asa,

 

 

              Looking at your list, I would say that you're on the verge of
that slippery slope.   Given your constraints, since I suspect that you're
*gonna* slide, just try to pick the gentlest slope!

 

 

                                      Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

 

 

 

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Asa Jay Laughton
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 5:51 PM
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

 

You're excellency,

There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The
Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian on
their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a refrigerator specifically
designated for beer.  Although it's not normally stocked, it miraculously
fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay.  And one of the natives
has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.

I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an
original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the more
I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something, which I
sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and drive away.
So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the other... how cool
would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the
original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was
made?  ...   WOW!

The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in
-over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I
just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me
even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers
matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.

The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further
forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good
candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly
80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could use for new
rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again,
the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.

If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would
most likely happen in January and would look something like this:

- Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
- Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
    - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
    - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
    - Remove fan belts and fan
    - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
necessary)
    - Remove alternator
    - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
    - Remove carb, tape over intake
    - Remove distributor
    - Unbolt headers at head
    - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton,
MSgt, USAFR, Retired
    - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
    - Put the engine on a stand
- Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
- Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
    - Remove the decklid
    - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt
radiator)
    - Drain engine oil
    - Drain ZF gear oil
    - Unhook fuel line and cork
    - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
    - Unhook all wiring, set aside
    - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
    - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
    - Remove A/C Condensor
    - Unhook headers
    - Unhook transmission linkage
    - Unhook transmission wiring
    - Unhook half-shafts
    - Remove clutch slave, set aside
    - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
- Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
    - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
    - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
    - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine,
otherwise.... more money)
- Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

But then.....
- I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB on
there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the Pantera
would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach I
engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
- I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but
I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it
work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
- If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting
doughnuts. (more money)
- If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system, ala
John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in the
engine bay)
- Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.

So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get that
darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and
"practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and
coveted my neighbors ponies.

Asa Jay    





& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).

 

Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor,
use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the
mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a
place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped something
big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels,
too.

 

Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 

 

Morally unemployed,

David in Durango

 

 

 

[1] next winter = appropriate economic time

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Asa Jay Laughton <mailto:asajay at asajay.com>  

To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 

Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM

Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

 

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
nnnnnnngh......
I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
It's winter........
I'm not driving the car......
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
Must.... resist.... temptation.

If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the
car and I can't have that.

must.... resist....

Asa Jay



Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related>
&feature=related

 

just in case you've forgotten.

 

Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!

 
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From cengles at cox.net  Sat Dec  3 17:33:13 2011
From: cengles at cox.net ( Charles Engles)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:33:13 -0600
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
In-Reply-To: <1322956979.21609.YahooMailNeo@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>	<4EDA9041.1070108@asajay.com>	<62EB471FBC054D0D8FFF4316A4633B1B@ZTxp>	<4EDAB5E5.2090608@asajay.com>
	<1322956979.21609.YahooMailNeo@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001a01ccb224$b0ac4b30$1204e190$@net>

Dear Asa,

 

 

                      John email is filled with words of wisdom.    

 

 

                                                 Warmest regards,  Chuck
Engles

 

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of John Bentley
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
To: Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

 

Asa,

 

You gotta stop this!  Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched
engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!  Don't worry about
the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and
run the 100 MPH class.  Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it again.
:)  My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way and if I
waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack stands.

 

Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!

 

JB

 

  _____  

From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

You're excellency,

There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The
Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian on
their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a refrigerator specifically
designated for beer.  Although it's not normally stocked, it miraculously
fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay.  And one of the natives
has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.

I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an
original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the more
I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something, which I
sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and drive away.
So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the other... how cool
would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the
original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was
made?  ...   WOW!

The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in
-over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I
just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me
even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers
matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.

The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further
forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good
candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly
80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could use for new
rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again,
the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.

If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would
most likely happen in January and would look something like this:

- Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
- Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
    - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
    - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
    - Remove fan belts and fan
    - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
necessary)
    - Remove alternator
    - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
    - Remove carb, tape over intake
    - Remove distributor
    - Unbolt headers at head
    - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton,
MSgt, USAFR, Retired
    - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
    - Put the engine on a stand
- Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
- Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
    - Remove the decklid
    - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt
radiator)
    - Drain engine oil
    - Drain ZF gear oil
    - Unhook fuel line and cork
    - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
    - Unhook all wiring, set aside
    - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
    - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
    - Remove A/C Condensor
    - Unhook headers
    - Unhook transmission linkage
    - Unhook transmission wiring
    - Unhook half-shafts
    - Remove clutch slave, set aside
    - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
- Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
    - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
    - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
    - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine,
otherwise.... more money)
- Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

But then.....
- I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB on
there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the Pantera
would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach I
engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
- I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but
I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it
work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
- If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting
doughnuts. (more money)
- If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system, ala
John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in the
engine bay)
- Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.

So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get that
darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and
"practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and
coveted my neighbors ponies.

Asa Jay    



& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).

 

Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor,
use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the
mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a
place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped something
big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels,
too.

 

Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 

 

Morally unemployed,

David in Durango

 

 

 

[1] next winter = appropriate economic time

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Asa Jay Laughton <mailto:asajay at asajay.com>  

To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 

Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM

Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

 

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
nnnnnnngh......
I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
It's winter........
I'm not driving the car......
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
Must.... resist.... temptation.

If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the
car and I can't have that.

must.... resist....

Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related

 

just in case you've forgotten.

 

Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!

 
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From cengles at cox.net  Sat Dec  3 17:35:46 2011
From: cengles at cox.net ( Charles Engles)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:35:46 -0600
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
In-Reply-To: <001a01ccb224$b0ac4b30$1204e190$@net>
References: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>	<4EDA9041.1070108@asajay.com>	<62EB471FBC054D0D8FFF4316A4633B1B@ZTxp>	<4EDAB5E5.2090608@asajay.com>	<1322956979.21609.YahooMailNeo@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<001a01ccb224$b0ac4b30$1204e190$@net>
Message-ID: <002b01ccb225$0ba9e740$22fdb5c0$@net>

Dear Asa,


                 Ahem.  That should read:   John's email is filled with
words of wisdom.   


                                          My bad,  Chuck Engles

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Charles Engles
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
To: 'John Bentley'; 'Asa Jay Laughton'; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

Dear Asa,


                      John email is filled with words of wisdom.    


                                                 Warmest regards,  Chuck
Engles

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of John Bentley
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
To: Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

Asa,

You gotta stop this!  Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched
engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!  Don't worry about
the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and
run the 100 MPH class.  Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it again.
:)  My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way and if I
waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack stands.

Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!

JB


From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
You're excellency,

There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The
Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian on
their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a refrigerator specifically
designated for beer.  Although it's not normally stocked, it miraculously
fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay.  And one of the natives
has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.

I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an
original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the more
I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something, which I
sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and drive away.
So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the other... how cool
would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the
original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was
made?  ...   WOW!

The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in
-over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I
just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me
even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers
matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.

The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further
forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good
candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly
80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could use for new
rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again,
the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.

If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would
most likely happen in January and would look something like this:

- Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
- Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
    - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
    - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
    - Remove fan belts and fan
    - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
necessary)
    - Remove alternator
    - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
    - Remove carb, tape over intake
    - Remove distributor
    - Unbolt headers at head
    - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton,
MSgt, USAFR, Retired
    - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
    - Put the engine on a stand
- Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
- Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
    - Remove the decklid
    - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt
radiator)
    - Drain engine oil
    - Drain ZF gear oil
    - Unhook fuel line and cork
    - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
    - Unhook all wiring, set aside
    - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
    - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
    - Remove A/C Condensor
    - Unhook headers
    - Unhook transmission linkage
    - Unhook transmission wiring
    - Unhook half-shafts
    - Remove clutch slave, set aside
    - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
- Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
    - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
    - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
    - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine,
otherwise.... more money)
- Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

But then.....
- I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB on
there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the Pantera
would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach I
engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
- I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but
I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it
work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
- If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting
doughnuts. (more money)
- If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system, ala
John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in the
engine bay)
- Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.

So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get that
darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and
"practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and
coveted my neighbors ponies.

Asa Jay    
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism

On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).
 
Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor,
use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the
mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a
place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped something
big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels,
too.
 
Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 
 
Morally unemployed,
David in Durango
 
 
 
[1] next winter = appropriate economic time
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Asa Jay Laughton <mailto:asajay at asajay.com>  
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
nnnnnnngh......
I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
It's winter........
I'm not driving the car......
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
Must.... resist.... temptation.

If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the
car and I can't have that.

must.... resist....

Asa Jay
Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism

On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related
 
just in case you've forgotten.
 
Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!

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From asajay at asajay.com  Sat Dec  3 17:52:11 2011
From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 17:52:11 -0800
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Well the fact is there is nothing -wrong- with the stock engine -in- the 
Pantera right now.  Except for doomsayer's like John (no offense 
intended) who keep a tinge of doubt in my mind, I have no qualms about 
running this engine at 100 MPH for 90 miles.  It needs nothing right now 
other than an oil and filter change, well and maybe a new radiator (or 
rebuilt, I'm working on that).

Granted, running it between WOT and full Brakes on the local track for 
20 minutes at a shot, or brutalizing it on an autocross course isn't the 
same.  Might it not survive 100 MPH for 90 miles?  Maybe.

Two years ago I replaced all the valve stem keepers and valve stem 
seals.  I've tuned it for no-knock on 92 Octane pump gas (of course it's 
a '73 de-tuned engine anyway.)  It has a full-roller timing set (after 
the stock set went south).  Okay, so it's not strictly stock, like Brock 
Tella stock, okay?

No worries though, I'm not about to spend a brazilian dollars on new 
parts for a new rebuild.  That comes secondary.  What the angst is about 
is whether to buy in to the idea the stock engine might grenade on 
course and instead run the engine I've built for the Mach I.  Details on 
that engine build are here:
http://www.asajay.com/351rebuild/351rebuild.htm

It's been running in the Mach I since 2001, just not been driven a whole 
lot.

<sigh>  I just need new shocks/springs, a new radiator, wheels and 
tires, an oil and filter change and I'll be ready.  But I'll also listen 
to other advice.  What other reasons are there that my engine as it is 
might not make it 90 miles at 100 MPH?

Asa Jay


Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
&  Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 5:35 PM,  Charles Engles wrote:
>
> Dear Asa,
>
>
>                  Ahem.  That should read: *John**'**s*email is filled 
> with words of wisdom.
>
>                                           My bad,  Chuck Engles
>
> *From:*tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com 
> [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com]*On Behalf Of*Charles Engles
> *Sent:*Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
> *To:*'John Bentley'; 'Asa Jay Laughton'; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Subject:*Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
> Dear Asa,
>
>                       John email is filled with words of wisdom.
>
>
>                                                  Warmest regards,  
> Chuck Engles
>
> *From:*tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com 
> [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com]*On Behalf Of*John Bentley
> *Sent:*Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
> *To:*Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Subject:*Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
> Asa,
>
> You gotta stop this!  Don't run Silver State with an original 
> un-touched engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!  
> Don't worry about the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and 
> just get it running and run the 100 MPH class.  Take smaller steps or 
> you will NEVER drive it again. :)  My garage is filled with parts I 
> have collected along the way and if I waited until they were all 
> installed it would never leave the jack stands.
>
> Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!
>
> JB
>
> *From:*Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> *To:*tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Sent:*Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
> *Subject:*Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
> You're excellency,
>
> There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for 
> The Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John 
> Christian on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a 
> refrigerator specifically designated for beer.  Although it's not 
> normally stocked, it miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop 
> cloth comes to stay.  And one of the natives has a "Hut" always well 
> stocked with pizza.
>
> I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's 
> an original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... 
> the more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking 
> something, which I sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, 
> fire it up and drive away.  So on the one hand, I really should swap 
> it, but on the other... how cool would it be to complete the SSCC in a 
> triple digit speed class, with the original numbers matching engine, 
> never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was made?  ...   WOW!
>
> The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it 
> in -over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  
> But I just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will 
> depress me even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is 
> -not- numbers matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want 
> without any angst.
>
> The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further 
> forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good 
> candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has 
> nearly 80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could 
> use for new rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they 
> are in.... again, the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the 
> moment.
>
> If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it 
> would most likely happen in January and would look something like this:
>
> - Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
> - Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
>     - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
>     - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
>     - Remove fan belts and fan
>     - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if 
> necessary)
>     - Remove alternator
>     - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
>     - Remove carb, tape over intake
>     - Remove distributor
>     - Unbolt headers at head
>     - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay 
> Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>     - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
>     - Put the engine on a stand
> - Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
> - Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
>     - Remove the decklid
>     - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or 
> rebuilt radiator)
>     - Drain engine oil
>     - Drain ZF gear oil
>     - Unhook fuel line and cork
>     - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
>     - Unhook all wiring, set aside
>     - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
>     - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
>     - Remove A/C Condensor
>     - Unhook headers
>     - Unhook transmission linkage
>     - Unhook transmission wiring
>     - Unhook half-shafts
>     - Remove clutch slave, set aside
>     - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
> - Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
>     - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
>     - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
>     - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine, 
> otherwise.... more money)
> - Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)
>
> But then.....
> - I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter 
> AFB on there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley 
> from the Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the higher 
> horsepower of the Mach I engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter 
> or do I re-jet the Holley?
> - I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera 
> but I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to 
> make it work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
> - If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting 
> doughnuts. (more money)
> - If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling 
> system, ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some 
> creative work in the engine bay)
> - Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.
>
> So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get 
> that darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my 
> bones and "practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.
>
> Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower 
> and coveted my neighbors ponies.
>
> Asa Jay
>
> & Shelley Marie
>
> Spokane, WA
>
> ******************************
>
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
>
> On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote:
>
> So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).
>
> Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera 
> motor, use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some 
> fun in the mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 
> days if he had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if 
> you dropped something big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might 
> even deliver your new wheels, too.
>
> Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . .
>
> Morally unemployed,
>
> David in Durango
>
> [1] next winter = appropriate economic time
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:*_Asa Jay Laughton_<mailto:asajay at asajay.com>
>
> *To:*_tpr at teampanteraracing.com_<mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>
> *Sent:*Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM
>
> *Subject:*Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>
> The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
> The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
> nnnnnnngh......
> I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
> rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
> It's winter........
> I'm not driving the car......
> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
> Must.... resist.... temptation.
>
> If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell 
> for the car and I can't have that.
>
> must.... resist....
>
> Asa Jay
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>
> & Shelley Marie
>
> Spokane, WA
>
> ******************************
>
> _http://www.racingagainstautism.com_
>
> _http://www.teampanteraracing.com_
>
> _http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism_
>
>
> On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related 
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related>
>
> just in case you've forgotten.
>
> Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
>
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From adin at frontier.net  Sat Dec  3 17:53:19 2011
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 18:53:19 -0700
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
References: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>	<4EDA9041.1070108@asajay.com><62EB471FBC054D0D8FFF4316A4633B1B@ZTxp>
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Young AJ,
Have to side w/ JB - scattering a motor at the event is probably no fun AND added expense.
Also, Chuck is right - choose your slope to match your SWMBO [1] and budget.

The $$$ thing that must be done is the clutch.  We have jets for the holley . . .   As I remember you do NEED the wheels/tires for the event, correct?  (Don't let the wheel cost keep you home. I'm sure the Pope could be encouraged to cut you some slack if needed.)  Seems like the other stuff could be added as funds become available.

Unless some of the museum pieces sell, I'll just be decorating the neighborhood for a while.  It sure would be nice to get the yellow car (Pantera) back in action . . . . .

Sleep on it. (here's a lullaby for you) mwahahahahaMWAHAHAHAHHAhem.
http://www.youtube.com/user/IckyOldMan#p/a/u/0/rsGxgysQxSM

I understand your angst (is that a word?), I often have suffer some sort of parallel sexual excitement when I hear a good motor or the Summit catalog arrives . . . . 

All the best to you and yours,

David




[1] She Who Must Be Obeyed
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Asa Jay Laughton 
  To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 4:51 PM
  Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .


  You're excellency,

  There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a refrigerator specifically designated for beer.  Although it's not normally stocked, it miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay.  And one of the natives has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.

  I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something, which I sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and drive away.  So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the other... how cool would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was made?  ...   WOW!

  The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in -over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.

  The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly 80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could use for new rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again, the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.

  If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would most likely happen in January and would look something like this:

  - Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
  - Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
      - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
      - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
      - Remove fan belts and fan
      - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if necessary)
      - Remove alternator
      - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
      - Remove carb, tape over intake
      - Remove distributor
      - Unbolt headers at head
      - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
      - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
      - Put the engine on a stand
  - Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
  - Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
      - Remove the decklid
      - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt radiator)
      - Drain engine oil
      - Drain ZF gear oil
      - Unhook fuel line and cork
      - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
      - Unhook all wiring, set aside
      - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
      - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
      - Remove A/C Condensor
      - Unhook headers
      - Unhook transmission linkage
      - Unhook transmission wiring
      - Unhook half-shafts
      - Remove clutch slave, set aside
      - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
  - Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
      - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
      - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
      - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine, otherwise.... more money)
  - Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

  But then.....
  - I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB on there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach I engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
  - I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
  - If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting doughnuts. (more money)
  - If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system, ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in the engine bay)
  - Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.

  So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get that darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and "practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

  Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and coveted my neighbors ponies.

  Asa Jay    



& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
  On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
    So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).

    Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor, use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped something big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels, too.

    Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 

    Morally unemployed,
    David in Durango



    [1] next winter = appropriate economic time
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Asa Jay Laughton 
      To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
      Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM
      Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .


      AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

      The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
      The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
      nnnnnnngh......
      I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
      rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
      It's winter........
      I'm not driving the car......
      mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
      Must.... resist.... temptation.

      If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the car and I can't have that.

      must.... resist....

      Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
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        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related

        just in case you've forgotten.

        Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!

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From adin at frontier.net  Sat Dec  3 18:05:58 2011
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:05:58 -0700
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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RE: [TPR] What we are about . . . .Oooh . . .IKNOWIKNOWIKNOW.

Let me try: two piece valves for $1000, Alex.

those old stock two-piece valves are a time bomb, as I understand it.

5/17 - 5/20 in Ely?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Asa Jay Laughton 
  To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .


  Well the fact is there is nothing -wrong- with the stock engine -in- the Pantera right now.  Except for doomsayer's like John (no offense intended) who keep a tinge of doubt in my mind, I have no qualms about running this engine at 100 MPH for 90 miles.  It needs nothing right now other than an oil and filter change, well and maybe a new radiator (or rebuilt, I'm working on that).

  Granted, running it between WOT and full Brakes on the local track for 20 minutes at a shot, or brutalizing it on an autocross course isn't the same.  Might it not survive 100 MPH for 90 miles?  Maybe.

  Two years ago I replaced all the valve stem keepers and valve stem seals.  I've tuned it for no-knock on 92 Octane pump gas (of course it's a '73 de-tuned engine anyway.)  It has a full-roller timing set (after the stock set went south).  Okay, so it's not strictly stock, like Brock Tella stock, okay?

  No worries though, I'm not about to spend a brazilian dollars on new parts for a new rebuild.  That comes secondary.  What the angst is about is whether to buy in to the idea the stock engine might grenade on course and instead run the engine I've built for the Mach I.  Details on that engine build are here:
  http://www.asajay.com/351rebuild/351rebuild.htm

  It's been running in the Mach I since 2001, just not been driven a whole lot.

  <sigh>  I just need new shocks/springs, a new radiator, wheels and tires, an oil and filter change and I'll be ready.  But I'll also listen to other advice.  What other reasons are there that my engine as it is might not make it 90 miles at 100 MPH?

  Asa Jay



Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
  On 12/3/2011 5:35 PM,  Charles Engles wrote: 
    Dear Asa,



                     Ahem.  That should read:   John's email is filled with words of wisdom.   


                                              My bad,  Chuck Engles


    From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Charles Engles
    Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
    To: 'John Bentley'; 'Asa Jay Laughton'; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
    Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .


    Dear Asa,


                          John email is filled with words of wisdom.    



                                                     Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

    From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of John Bentley
    Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
    To: Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
    Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .


    Asa,


    You gotta stop this!  Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!  Don't worry about the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and run the 100 MPH class.  Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it again. :)  My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way and if I waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack stands.


    Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!


    JB



    From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
    To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
    Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
    Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

    You're excellency,

    There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a refrigerator specifically designated for beer.  Although it's not normally stocked, it miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay.  And one of the natives has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.

    I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something, which I sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and drive away.  So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the other... how cool would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was made?  ...   WOW!

    The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in -over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.

    The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly 80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could use for new rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again, the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.

    If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would most likely happen in January and would look something like this:

    - Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
    - Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
        - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
        - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
        - Remove fan belts and fan
        - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if necessary)
        - Remove alternator
        - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
        - Remove carb, tape over intake
        - Remove distributor
        - Unbolt headers at head
        - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
        - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
        - Put the engine on a stand
    - Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
    - Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
        - Remove the decklid
        - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt radiator)
        - Drain engine oil
        - Drain ZF gear oil
        - Unhook fuel line and cork
        - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
        - Unhook all wiring, set aside
        - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
        - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
        - Remove A/C Condensor
        - Unhook headers
        - Unhook transmission linkage
        - Unhook transmission wiring
        - Unhook half-shafts
        - Remove clutch slave, set aside
        - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
    - Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
        - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
        - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
        - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine, otherwise.... more money)
    - Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

    But then.....
    - I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB on there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach I engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
    - I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
    - If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting doughnuts. (more money)
    - If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system, ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in the engine bay)
    - Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.

    So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get that darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and "practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

    Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and coveted my neighbors ponies.

    Asa Jay    

    & Shelley Marie

    Spokane, WA

    ******************************     

    http://www.racingagainstautism.com

    http://www.teampanteraracing.com

    http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


    On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

    So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).



    Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor, use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped something big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels, too.



    Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 



    Morally unemployed,

    David in Durango







    [1] next winter = appropriate economic time

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: Asa Jay Laughton 

    To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 

    Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM

    Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .


    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

    The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
    The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
    nnnnnnngh......
    I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
    rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
    It's winter........
    I'm not driving the car......
    mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
    Must.... resist.... temptation.

    If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the car and I can't have that.

    must.... resist....

    Asa Jay

    Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired

    & Shelley Marie

    Spokane, WA

    ******************************     

    http://www.racingagainstautism.com

    http://www.teampanteraracing.com

    http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


    On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related



    just in case you've forgotten.



    Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!


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From gndplne at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  3 20:50:15 2011
From: gndplne at yahoo.com (John Bentley)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 20:50:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Asa,

There is a difference between doomsdayer's and experience.

The single-grove keepers on the stock valves and the 2-piece construction of the valves are both time-bombs. (IMHO)? I doubt I would take a chance running an engine I really wanted to keep under those conditions in a long, high RPM event like SSCC.? If you want to see what happens when a stock valve let's go, I can $end you $ome picture$ or $hip you $ome part$.


If you want to run an old engine that's fine, but I would just pull the heads and replace the valves with some Manley stainless (and of course do a basic grind), and put all the rockers/springs/pushrods back where they came from and run the event.? Of course you'll have to pay attention to stuff like installed height and pushrod geometry, but any basic shop can help you with those things.?For around $500, you can be good to go.? And, its easy to do with the engine block/trans in the car.

We all want to see you run the event, so let us know what we can do to help.? Its TEAM Pantera Racing! :)


JB




________________________________
 From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
 

Well the fact is there is nothing -wrong- with the stock engine -in- the Pantera right now.? Except for doomsayer's like John (no offense intended) who keep a tinge of doubt in my mind, I have no qualms about running this engine at 100 MPH for 90 miles.? It needs nothing right now other than an oil and filter change, well and maybe a new radiator (or rebuilt, I'm working on that).

Granted, running it between WOT and full Brakes on the local track
    for 20 minutes at a shot, or brutalizing it on an autocross course
    isn't the same.? Might it not survive 100 MPH for 90 miles?? Maybe.

Two years ago I replaced all the valve stem keepers and valve stem
    seals.? I've tuned it for no-knock on 92 Octane pump gas (of course
    it's a '73 de-tuned engine anyway.)? It has a full-roller timing set
    (after the stock set went south).? Okay, so it's not strictly stock,
    like Brock Tella stock, okay?

No worries though, I'm not about to spend a brazilian dollars on new
    parts for a new rebuild.? That comes secondary.? What the angst is
    about is whether to buy in to the idea the stock engine might
    grenade on course and instead run the engine I've built for the Mach
    I.? Details on that engine build are here:
http://www.asajay.com/351rebuild/351rebuild.htm

It's been running in the Mach I since 2001, just not been driven a
    whole lot.

<sigh>? I just need new shocks/springs, a new radiator, wheels
    and tires, an oil and filter change and I'll be ready.? But I'll
    also listen to other advice.? What other reasons are there that my
    engine as it is might not make it 90 miles at 100 MPH?

Asa Jay



Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
On 12/3/2011 5:35 PM,? Charles Engles wrote: 
RE: [TPR] What we are about . . . . 
>Dear Asa,
>
>???????????????? Ahem.? That should read:??John?semail is filled with words of wisdom.?? 
>????????????????????????????????????????? My bad,? Chuck Engles
>From:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com]On Behalf OfCharles Engles
>Sent:Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
>To:'John Bentley'; 'Asa Jay Laughton'; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>Subject:Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>Dear Asa,
>????????????????????? John email is filled with words of wisdom. ???
>
>???????????????????????????????????????????????? Warmest regards,? Chuck Engles
>From:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com]On Behalf OfJohn Bentley
>Sent:Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
>To:Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>Subject:Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>Asa,
>You gotta stop this!? Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!? Don't worry about the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and run the 100 MPH class.? Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it again. :)? My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way and if I waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack stands.
>Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!
>JB
>From:Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
>To:tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>Sent:Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
>Subject:Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>You're excellency,
>
>There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research
            Institute for The Pope.? The last transients to stay here
            were Mike Drew and John Christian on their way to the Rocky
            Mountain Tour.? I have a refrigerator specifically
            designated for beer.? Although it's not normally stocked, it
            miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to
            stay.? And one of the natives has a "Hut" always well
            stocked with pizza.
>
>I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the
            Pantera.? It's an original numbers matching, never been
            rebuilt, still runs.? Yes.... the more I drive it -hard-,
            the more I take a chance on breaking something, which I
            sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up
            and drive away.? So on the one hand, I really should swap
            it, but on the other... how cool would it be to complete the
            SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the original
            numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after
            it was made?? ...?? WOW!
>
>The Mach I could sit without an engine.? I haven't actually
            driven it in -over- a year.? It's really in a sad state of
            bodywork and paint.? But I just know if it sits for -long-
            without an engine.... it will depress me even further as to
            it's non-driven state.? That engine is -not- numbers
            matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want
            without any angst.
>
>The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still
            waiting further forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this
            winter.? It isn't a good candidate for a rebuild; it was
            bored .030" over last time and has nearly 80K miles on it or
            so.? I have three others stored that I could use for new
            rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are
            in.... again, the Northwest PRI has no money for research at
            the moment.
>
>If the angels granted this kind of project could be
            undertaken, it would most likely happen in January and would
            look something like this:
>
>- Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
>- Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a
            day)
>??? - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses,
            remove radiator
>??? - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
>??? - Remove fan belts and fan
>??? - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook
            hoses if necessary)
>??? - Remove alternator
>??? - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
>??? - Remove carb, tape over intake
>??? - Remove distributor
>??? - Unbolt headers at head
>??? - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa
            Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>??? - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
>??? - Put the engine on a stand
>- Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
>- Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a
            day)
>??? - Remove the decklid
>??? - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs
            new or rebuilt radiator)
>??? - Drain engine oil
>??? - Drain ZF gear oil
>??? - Unhook fuel line and cork
>??? - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
>??? - Unhook all wiring, set aside
>??? - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
>??? - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
>??? - Remove A/C Condensor
>??? - Unhook headers
>??? - Unhook transmission linkage
>??? - Unhook transmission wiring
>??? - Unhook half-shafts
>??? - Remove clutch slave, set aside
>??? - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
>- Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
>??? - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
>??? - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't
            have one (money)
>??? - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they
            are fine, otherwise.... more money)
>- Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)
>
>But then.....
>- I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.? The
            Carter AFB on there works, but not as optimally as it
            should.? The Holley from the Pantera would work, but it's
            not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach I engine.? Do
            I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
>- I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in
            the Pantera but I'd need to wire up a computer box in the
            engine compartment to make it work.? Best to do that while
            the engine is out. (more money)
>- If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the
            rubber mounting doughnuts. (more money)
>- If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the
            cooling system, ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more
            money and some creative work in the engine bay)
>- Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they
            aren't being used.
>
>So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.?
            But I get that darn thundering clapping sound from a good
            strong V8 engine in my bones and "practicality" begins to
            get awfully transparent.
>
>Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more
            horsepower and coveted my neighbors ponies.
>
>Asa Jay ?? 
>& Shelley Marie
>Spokane, WA
>******************************???? 
>http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
>On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
>So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?? Hot motor? (well, usable).
>?
>Swap them out!? If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor, use it for the dream rebuild? "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the mean time.? I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.? That way, if you dropped something big, you would have back up!? Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels, too.
>?
>Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 
>?
>Morally unemployed,
>David in Durango
>?
>?
>?
>[1] next winter = appropriate economic time
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From:Asa Jay Laughton
>To:tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>Sent:Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM
>Subject:Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>
>The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
>The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the
            Pantera.....
>nnnnnnngh......
>I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
>rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
>It's winter........
>I'm not driving the car......
>mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
>Must.... resist.... temptation.
>
>If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the
            death nell for the car and I can't have that.
>
>must.... resist....
>
>Asa Jay
>Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>& Shelley Marie
>Spokane, WA
>******************************???? 
>http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
>On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related
>?
>just in case you've forgotten.
>?
>Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
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From bob at radefeld.com  Sun Dec  4 06:01:36 2011
From: bob at radefeld.com (bob Radefeld)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 08:01:36 -0600
Subject: [TPR] What we are about
Message-ID: <CA+4z8QC7bxFKtFpiyzc6=MoAr0uZnkFd3BSVFVnjZpFgR_BZvg@mail.gmail.com>

Asa,

IMHO, JB's advice would be the least expensive & most reassuring way to
race & still keep the original block in your car. Had I known when I bought
my car that it still had two piece valves in it I would have changed them
out in a heartbeat! Sadly, I had to find out the hard way at a local track
event but was very lucky to not do enough damage to ruin my original
block......WHEW!! Please consider this alternative very carefully & GOOD
Luck..........


Bob (been there, done that!)
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From cengles at cox.net  Sun Dec  4 07:06:37 2011
From: cengles at cox.net ( Charles Engles)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 09:06:37 -0600
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Dear Mr. Not Completely Stock Engine Owner,

 

 

 

                  My biggest concern was with the lousy plastic timing gear
and you've taken care of that.  I had forgotten about the two piece valves.
I think the best and most unpleasant comments on that are from JB and
Rowdy.   To paraphrase one of my favorite quotes for this situation: "As
long as nothing happens to the engine, there's no danger."

 

                   Perhaps for the least financial cost, the Mustang engine
transplant might the best deal.  You said that the biggest dollar cost would
be adjusting or rebuilding the carb for it's new situation in the Pantera.
You could put the Pantera engine on a stand and then....put the Mustang on
the proverbial back burner of "when I get 'round tuit" and/or begin another
engine build from those three re-builders you have for a Mustang powerplant.

 

 

                                     Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

 

 

 

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Asa Jay Laughton
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:52 PM
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

 

Well the fact is there is nothing -wrong- with the stock engine -in- the
Pantera right now.  Except for doomsayer's like John (no offense intended)
who keep a tinge of doubt in my mind, I have no qualms about running this
engine at 100 MPH for 90 miles.  It needs nothing right now other than an
oil and filter change, well and maybe a new radiator (or rebuilt, I'm
working on that).

Granted, running it between WOT and full Brakes on the local track for 20
minutes at a shot, or brutalizing it on an autocross course isn't the same.
Might it not survive 100 MPH for 90 miles?  Maybe.

Two years ago I replaced all the valve stem keepers and valve stem seals.
I've tuned it for no-knock on 92 Octane pump gas (of course it's a '73
de-tuned engine anyway.)  It has a full-roller timing set (after the stock
set went south).  Okay, so it's not strictly stock, like Brock Tella stock,
okay?

No worries though, I'm not about to spend a brazilian dollars on new parts
for a new rebuild.  That comes secondary.  What the angst is about is
whether to buy in to the idea the stock engine might grenade on course and
instead run the engine I've built for the Mach I.  Details on that engine
build are here:
http://www.asajay.com/351rebuild/351rebuild.htm

It's been running in the Mach I since 2001, just not been driven a whole
lot.

<sigh>  I just need new shocks/springs, a new radiator, wheels and tires, an
oil and filter change and I'll be ready.  But I'll also listen to other
advice.  What other reasons are there that my engine as it is might not make
it 90 miles at 100 MPH?

Asa Jay





Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 5:35 PM,  Charles Engles wrote: 

Dear Asa,

 

                 Ahem.  That should read:   John's email is filled with
words of wisdom.   

                                          My bad,  Chuck Engles

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Charles Engles
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
To: 'John Bentley'; 'Asa Jay Laughton'; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

Dear Asa,

                      John email is filled with words of wisdom.    

 

                                                 Warmest regards,  Chuck
Engles

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of John Bentley
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
To: Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

Asa,

You gotta stop this!  Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched
engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!  Don't worry about
the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and
run the 100 MPH class.  Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it again.
:)  My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way and if I
waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack stands.

Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!

JB

From: Asa Jay Laughton  <mailto:asajay at asajay.com> <asajay at asajay.com>
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

You're excellency,

There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The
Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian on
their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a refrigerator specifically
designated for beer.  Although it's not normally stocked, it miraculously
fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay.  And one of the natives
has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.

I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an
original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the more
I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something, which I
sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and drive away.
So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the other... how cool
would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the
original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was
made?  ...   WOW!

The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in
-over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I
just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me
even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers
matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.

The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further
forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good
candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly
80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could use for new
rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again,
the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.

If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would
most likely happen in January and would look something like this:

- Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
- Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
    - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
    - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
    - Remove fan belts and fan
    - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
necessary)
    - Remove alternator
    - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
    - Remove carb, tape over intake
    - Remove distributor
    - Unbolt headers at head
    - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton,
MSgt, USAFR, Retired
    - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
    - Put the engine on a stand
- Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
- Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
    - Remove the decklid
    - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt
radiator)
    - Drain engine oil
    - Drain ZF gear oil
    - Unhook fuel line and cork
    - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
    - Unhook all wiring, set aside
    - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
    - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
    - Remove A/C Condensor
    - Unhook headers
    - Unhook transmission linkage
    - Unhook transmission wiring
    - Unhook half-shafts
    - Remove clutch slave, set aside
    - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
- Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
    - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
    - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
    - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine,
otherwise.... more money)
- Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

But then.....
- I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB on
there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the Pantera
would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach I
engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
- I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but
I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it
work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
- If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting
doughnuts. (more money)
- If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system, ala
John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in the
engine bay)
- Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.

So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get that
darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and
"practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and
coveted my neighbors ponies.

Asa Jay    

& Shelley Marie

Spokane, WA

******************************     

http://www.racingagainstautism.com

http://www.teampanteraracing.com

http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).

 

Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor,
use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the
mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a
place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped something
big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels,
too.

 

Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 

 

Morally unemployed,

David in Durango

 

 

 

[1] next winter = appropriate economic time

----- Original Message ----- 

From:  <mailto:asajay at asajay.com> Asa Jay Laughton 

To:  <mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com> tpr at teampanteraracing.com 

Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM

Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
nnnnnnngh......
I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
It's winter........
I'm not driving the car......
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
Must.... resist.... temptation.

If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the
car and I can't have that.

must.... resist....

Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired

& Shelley Marie

Spokane, WA

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On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related>
&feature=related

 

just in case you've forgotten.

 

Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!

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From bob at radefeld.com  Sun Dec  4 08:13:32 2011
From: bob at radefeld.com (bob Radefeld)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 10:13:32 -0600
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Dear Chuck,

Weren't you one of the folks with advice regarding the "slippery slope"
syndrome that so easily occurs when one pulls his engine? That certainly
applied to me when my engine came out of my car & I've got a hunch it could
very easily infect Asa if he swaps engines. If he can somehow "immunize"
himself against this happening then YES, I would agree that swapping
engines might allow for a smaller outlay of $$ for him. Personally,
however, I would pull only the heads & be more assured that my chances of
sliding were minimized to the max.........FWIW.


Bob




On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:

>  Dear Mr. Not Completely Stock Engine Owner,****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
>                   My biggest concern was with the lousy plastic timing
> gear and you?ve taken care of that.  I had forgotten about the two piece
> valves.  I think the best and most unpleasant comments on that are from JB
> and  Rowdy.   To paraphrase one of my favorite quotes for this situation:
> ?As long as nothing happens to the engine, there?s no danger.?****
>
> ** **
>
>                    Perhaps for the least financial cost, the Mustang
> engine transplant might the best deal.  You said that the biggest dollar
> cost would be adjusting or rebuilding the carb for it?s new situation in
> the Pantera.   You could put the Pantera engine on a stand and then??..put
> the Mustang on the proverbial back burner of ?when I get ?round tuit?
> and/or begin another engine build from those three re-builders you have for
> a Mustang powerplant.****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
>                                      Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Fr*om:* tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [mailto:
> tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] *On Behalf Of *Asa Jay Laughton
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:52 PM
> *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
>   ** **
>
> Well the fact is there is nothing -wrong- with the stock engine -in- the
> Pantera right now.  Except for doomsayer's like John (no offense intended)
> who keep a tinge of doubt in my mind, I have no qualms about running this
> engine at 100 MPH for 90 miles.  It needs nothing right now other than an
> oil and filter change, well and maybe a new radiator (or rebuilt, I'm
> working on that).
>
> Granted, running it between WOT and full Brakes on the local track for 20
> minutes at a shot, or brutalizing it on an autocross course isn't the
> same.  Might it not survive 100 MPH for 90 miles?  Maybe.
>
> Two years ago I replaced all the valve stem keepers and valve stem seals.
> I've tuned it for no-knock on 92 Octane pump gas (of course it's a '73
> de-tuned engine anyway.)  It has a full-roller timing set (after the stock
> set went south).  Okay, so it's not strictly stock, like Brock Tella stock,
> okay?
>
> No worries though, I'm not about to spend a brazilian dollars on new parts
> for a new rebuild.  That comes secondary.  What the angst is about is
> whether to buy in to the idea the stock engine might grenade on course and
> instead run the engine I've built for the Mach I.  Details on that engine
> build are here:
> http://www.asajay.com/351rebuild/351rebuild.htm
>
> It's been running in the Mach I since 2001, just not been driven a whole
> lot.
>
> <sigh>  I just need new shocks/springs, a new radiator, wheels and tires,
> an oil and filter change and I'll be ready.  But I'll also listen to other
> advice.  What other reasons are there that my engine as it is might not
> make it 90 miles at 100 MPH?
>
> Asa Jay
>
>
>
> ****
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired****
>
> & Shelley Marie****
>
> Spokane, WA****
>
> ******************************     ****
>
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com****
>
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com****
>
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism****
>
>
> On 12/3/2011 5:35 PM,  Charles Engles wrote: ****
>
> Dear Asa,****
>
> ** **
>
>                  Ahem.  That should read:  * **John?s* email is filled
> with words of wisdom.   ****
>
>                                           My bad,  Chuck Engles****
>
> *From:* tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [
> mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com<tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com>
> ]* **On Behalf Of* Charles Engles
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
> *To:* 'John Bentley'; 'Asa Jay Laughton'; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
> Dear Asa,****
>
>                       John email is filled with words of wisdom.    ****
>
> ** **
>
>                                                  Warmest regards,  Chuck
> Engles****
>
> *From:* tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [
> mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com<tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com>
> ]* **On Behalf Of* John Bentley
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
> *To:* Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
> Asa,****
>
> You gotta stop this!  Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched
> engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!  Don't worry about
> the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and
> run the 100 MPH class.  Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it
> again. :)  My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way
> and if I waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack
> stands.****
>
> Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!*
> ***
>
> JB****
>
> *From:* Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> <asajay at asajay.com>
> *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
> You're excellency,
>
> There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The
> Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian
> on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a refrigerator
> specifically designated for beer.  Although it's not normally stocked, it
> miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay.  And one
> of the natives has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.
>
> I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an
> original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the
> more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something,
> which I sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and
> drive away.  So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the
> other... how cool would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed
> class, with the original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40
> years after it was made?  ...   WOW!
>
> The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in
> -over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I
> just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me
> even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers
> matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.
>
> The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further
> forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good
> candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly
> 80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could use for new
> rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again,
> the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.
>
> If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would
> most likely happen in January and would look something like this:
>
> - Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
> - Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
>     - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
>     - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
>     - Remove fan belts and fan
>     - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
> necessary)
>     - Remove alternator
>     - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
>     - Remove carb, tape over intake
>     - Remove distributor
>     - Unbolt headers at head
>     - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton,
> MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>     - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
>     - Put the engine on a stand
> - Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
> - Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
>     - Remove the decklid
>     - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt
> radiator)
>     - Drain engine oil
>     - Drain ZF gear oil
>     - Unhook fuel line and cork
>     - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
>     - Unhook all wiring, set aside
>     - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
>     - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
>     - Remove A/C Condensor
>     - Unhook headers
>     - Unhook transmission linkage
>     - Unhook transmission wiring
>     - Unhook half-shafts
>     - Remove clutch slave, set aside
>     - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
> - Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
>     - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
>     - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
>     - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine,
> otherwise.... more money)
> - Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)
>
> But then.....
> - I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB on
> there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the
> Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach
> I engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
> - I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but
> I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it
> work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
> - If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting
> doughnuts. (more money)
> - If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system,
> ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in
> the engine bay)
> - Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.
>
> So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get that
> darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and
> "practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.
>
> Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and
> coveted my neighbors ponies.
>
> Asa Jay    ****
>
> & Shelley Marie****
>
> Spokane, WA****
>
> ******************************     ****
>
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com****
>
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com****
>
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism****
>
>
> On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: ****
>
> So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).****
>
>  ****
>
> Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera
> motor, use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in
> the mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he
> had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped
> something big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your
> new wheels, too.****
>
>  ****
>
> Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . ****
>
>  ****
>
> Morally unemployed,****
>
> David in Durango****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> [1] next winter = appropriate economic time****
>
> ----- Original Message ----- ****
>
> *From:* Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> ****
>
> *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com ****
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM****
>
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>
> The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
> The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
> nnnnnnngh......
> I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
> rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
> It's winter........
> I'm not driving the car......
> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
> Must.... resist.... temptation.
>
> If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for
> the car and I can't have that.
>
> must.... resist....
>
> Asa Jay****
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired****
>
> & Shelley Marie****
>
> Spokane, WA****
>
> ******************************     ****
>
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com****
>
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com****
>
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism****
>
>
> On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: ****
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related****
>
>  ****
>
> just in case you've forgotten.****
>
>  ****
>
> Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!****
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From asajay at asajay.com  Sun Dec  4 09:15:09 2011
From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 09:15:09 -0800
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Aaaaaaargh,

Keep talkin'... yea... go ahead.... just KEEEEEEP Talkin'


New valves
New retainers
New keepers
- figure on the guides needed replaced or sleeved
- new three-angle valve job
- assuming no seats need to be replaced (would be nice to put hardened 
seats in)
- should machine the guides for positive-type seals
- MUST maintain proper valve stem installed height due to bolt-down rockers
- can't have the head faced, or it throws off the rocker install

The slippery slope....
- while I'm in there, I should go ahead and replace the cam/lifters
- but then I'd probably need to consider an adjustable valve train
- I'd like to move to head studs (yea, a bit more difficult to remove 
the heads from the engine bay)
- If I'm in that far, it would be nice to swap all the bearings
- but if I'm in that far I should check the cylinders and replace the 
rings on the pistons
- but if I find out I have too much slop in the cylinders I should get 
it bored .010 over or so
- which leads to new pistons
- hmmm, I've been thinkin' about a stroker for the next build....
- Sam "Okay 'grandpa' now that it's 2020, when you are going to fix the 
Pantera so I can drive it?"

Back to reality.  Advantages:
- replaces all those two-piece valves
- gives me the chance to swap the intake to one of the FPP dual-plane 
models I have

Disadvantages:
- cost
- doesn't replace that one noisy lifter that comes and goes

Swap the engine from the Mach I:
- new fluids.
- new pilot bearing.
- not as slippery of a slope.

I'll probably stay torn on this for a while.
Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
&  Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/4/2011 8:13 AM, bob Radefeld wrote:
> Dear Chuck,
> Weren't you one of the folks with advice regarding the "slippery 
> slope" syndrome that so easily occurs when one pulls his engine? That 
> certainly applied to me when my engine came out of my car & I've got a 
> hunch it could very easily infect Asa if he swaps engines. If he can 
> somehow "immunize" himself against this happening then YES, I would 
> agree that swapping engines might allow for a smaller outlay of $$ for 
> him. Personally, however, I would pull only the heads & be more 
> assured that my chances of sliding were minimized to the max.........FWIW.
> Bob
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net 
> <mailto:cengles at cox.net>> wrote:
>
>     Dear Mr. Not Completely Stock Engine Owner,
>
>                       My biggest concern was with the lousy plastic
>     timing gear and you?ve taken care of that.  I had forgotten about
>     the two piece valves.  I think the best and most unpleasant
>     comments on that are from JB and  Rowdy.   To paraphrase one of my
>     favorite quotes for this situation: ?As long as nothing happens to
>     the engine, there?s no danger.?
>
>                        Perhaps for the least financial cost, the
>     Mustang engine transplant might the best deal.  You said that the
>     biggest dollar cost would be adjusting or rebuilding the carb for
>     it?s new situation in the Pantera.   You could put the Pantera
>     engine on a stand and then??..put the Mustang on the proverbial
>     back burner of ?when I get ?round tuit? and/or begin another
>     engine build from those three re-builders you have for a Mustang
>     powerplant.
>
>                                          Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
>
>     Fr*om:*tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
>     <mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com>
>     [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
>     <mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com>] *On Behalf Of *Asa Jay
>     Laughton
>     *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:52 PM
>     *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com <mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>
>     *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
>     Well the fact is there is nothing -wrong- with the stock engine
>     -in- the Pantera right now.  Except for doomsayer's like John (no
>     offense intended) who keep a tinge of doubt in my mind, I have no
>     qualms about running this engine at 100 MPH for 90 miles.  It
>     needs nothing right now other than an oil and filter change, well
>     and maybe a new radiator (or rebuilt, I'm working on that).
>
>     Granted, running it between WOT and full Brakes on the local track
>     for 20 minutes at a shot, or brutalizing it on an autocross course
>     isn't the same.  Might it not survive 100 MPH for 90 miles?  Maybe.
>
>     Two years ago I replaced all the valve stem keepers and valve stem
>     seals.  I've tuned it for no-knock on 92 Octane pump gas (of
>     course it's a '73 de-tuned engine anyway.)  It has a full-roller
>     timing set (after the stock set went south).  Okay, so it's not
>     strictly stock, like Brock Tella stock, okay?
>
>     No worries though, I'm not about to spend a brazilian dollars on
>     new parts for a new rebuild.  That comes secondary.  What the
>     angst is about is whether to buy in to the idea the stock engine
>     might grenade on course and instead run the engine I've built for
>     the Mach I.  Details on that engine build are here:
>     http://www.asajay.com/351rebuild/351rebuild.htm
>
>     It's been running in the Mach I since 2001, just not been driven a
>     whole lot.
>
>     <sigh>  I just need new shocks/springs, a new radiator, wheels and
>     tires, an oil and filter change and I'll be ready.  But I'll also
>     listen to other advice.  What other reasons are there that my
>     engine as it is might not make it 90 miles at 100 MPH?
>
>     Asa Jay
>
>
>
>     Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>
>     &  Shelley Marie
>
>     Spokane, WA
>
>     ******************************
>
>     http://www.racingagainstautism.com  <http://www.racingagainstautism.com/>
>
>     http://www.teampanteraracing.com  <http://www.teampanteraracing.com/>
>
>     http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
>
>     On 12/3/2011 5:35 PM,  Charles Engles wrote:
>
>     Dear Asa,
>
>                      Ahem.  That should read: ***John?s*email is
>     filled with words of wisdom.
>
>                                               My bad,  Chuck Engles
>
>     *From:*tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
>     <mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com>
>     [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com]***On Behalf Of* Charles
>     Engles
>     *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
>     *To:* 'John Bentley'; 'Asa Jay Laughton';
>     tpr at teampanteraracing.com <mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>     *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
>     Dear Asa,
>
>                           John email is filled with words of wisdom.
>
>                                                      Warmest regards, 
>     Chuck Engles
>
>     *From:*tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
>     <mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com>
>     [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com]***On Behalf Of* John
>     Bentley
>     *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
>     *To:* Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>     <mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>     *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
>     Asa,
>
>     You gotta stop this!  Don't run Silver State with an original
>     un-touched engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile
>     25!  Don't worry about the long list of $20k worth of parts you
>     WANT and just get it running and run the 100 MPH class.  Take
>     smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it again. :)  My garage is
>     filled with parts I have collected along the way and if I waited
>     until they were all installed it would never leave the jack stands.
>
>     Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your
>     engine......!
>
>     JB
>
>     *From:*Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> <mailto:asajay at asajay.com>
>     *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com <mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>     *Sent:* Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
>     You're excellency,
>
>     There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute
>     for The Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and
>     John Christian on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a
>     refrigerator specifically designated for beer.  Although it's not
>     normally stocked, it miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop
>     cloth comes to stay.  And one of the natives has a "Hut" always
>     well stocked with pizza.
>
>     I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera. 
>     It's an original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still
>     runs.  Yes.... the more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a
>     chance on breaking something, which I sometimes have angst
>     about.... until I climb in, fire it up and drive away.  So on the
>     one hand, I really should swap it, but on the other... how cool
>     would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed class,
>     with the original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40
>     years after it was made?  ...   WOW!
>
>     The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven
>     it in -over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and
>     paint.  But I just know if it sits for -long- without an
>     engine.... it will depress me even further as to it's non-driven
>     state.  That engine is -not- numbers matching and I could pretty
>     much put it anywhere I want without any angst.
>
>     The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting
>     further forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It
>     isn't a good candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last
>     time and has nearly 80K miles on it or so.  I have three others
>     stored that I could use for new rebuilt platforms, but I don't
>     know what condition they are in.... again, the Northwest PRI has
>     no money for research at the moment.
>
>     If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it
>     would most likely happen in January and would look something like
>     this:
>
>     - Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
>     - Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
>         - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove
>     radiator
>         - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
>         - Remove fan belts and fan
>         - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
>     necessary)
>         - Remove alternator
>         - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
>         - Remove carb, tape over intake
>         - Remove distributor
>         - Unbolt headers at head
>         - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay
>     Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>         - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
>         - Put the engine on a stand
>     - Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
>     - Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
>         - Remove the decklid
>         - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or
>     rebuilt radiator)
>         - Drain engine oil
>         - Drain ZF gear oil
>         - Unhook fuel line and cork
>         - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
>         - Unhook all wiring, set aside
>         - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
>         - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
>         - Remove A/C Condensor
>         - Unhook headers
>         - Unhook transmission linkage
>         - Unhook transmission wiring
>         - Unhook half-shafts
>         - Remove clutch slave, set aside
>         - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
>     - Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
>         - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
>         - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one
>     (money)
>         - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are
>     fine, otherwise.... more money)
>     - Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)
>
>     But then.....
>     - I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The
>     Carter AFB on there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The
>     Holley from the Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the
>     higher horsepower of the Mach I engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune
>     the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
>     - I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the
>     Pantera but I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine
>     compartment to make it work.  Best to do that while the engine is
>     out. (more money)
>     - If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber
>     mounting doughnuts. (more money)
>     - If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling
>     system, ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some
>     creative work in the engine bay)
>     - Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't
>     being used.
>
>     So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I
>     get that darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8
>     engine in my bones and "practicality" begins to get awfully
>     transparent.
>
>     Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more
>     horsepower and coveted my neighbors ponies.
>
>     Asa Jay
>
>     & Shelley Marie
>
>     Spokane, WA
>
>     ******************************
>
>     http://www.racingagainstautism.com
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>     On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote:
>
>     So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).
>
>     Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the
>     Pantera motor, use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and
>     have some fun in the mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate
>     labor for 3-4 days if he had a place to stay and beer/pizza
>     rations.  That way, if you dropped something big, you would have
>     back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels, too.
>
>     Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . .
>
>     Morally unemployed,
>
>     David in Durango
>
>     [1] next winter = appropriate economic time
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>
>     *From:* Asa Jay Laughton <mailto:asajay at asajay.com>
>
>     *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com <mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>
>     *Sent:*Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM
>
>     *Subject:*Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
>     AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>
>     The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
>     The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
>     nnnnnnngh......
>     I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
>     rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
>     It's winter........
>     I'm not driving the car......
>     mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
>     Must.... resist.... temptation.
>
>     If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death
>     nell for the car and I can't have that.
>
>     must.... resist....
>
>     Asa Jay
>
>     Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>
>     & Shelley Marie
>
>     Spokane, WA
>
>     ******************************
>
>     http://www.racingagainstautism.com
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>
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>     On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote:
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>     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related
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From cengles at cox.net  Sun Dec  4 09:19:16 2011
From: cengles at cox.net ( Charles Engles)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 11:19:16 -0600
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Dear Bob,

 

 

                   In my opinion it is always a slippery slope and planning
helps to keep you from ending up on the black slope with the moguls...

 

 

                                    Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

 

From: bob Radefeld [mailto:bob at radefeld.com] 
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:14 AM
To: Charles Engles
Cc: Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

 

Dear Chuck,

 

Weren't you one of the folks with advice regarding the "slippery slope"
syndrome that so easily occurs when one pulls his engine? That certainly
applied to me when my engine came out of my car & I've got a hunch it could
very easily infect Asa if he swaps engines. If he can somehow "immunize"
himself against this happening then YES, I would agree that swapping engines
might allow for a smaller outlay of $$ for him. Personally, however, I would
pull only the heads & be more assured that my chances of sliding were
minimized to the max.........FWIW.

 

 

Bob 

 



 

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:

Dear Mr. Not Completely Stock Engine Owner,

 

 

 

                  My biggest concern was with the lousy plastic timing gear
and you've taken care of that.  I had forgotten about the two piece valves.
I think the best and most unpleasant comments on that are from JB and
Rowdy.   To paraphrase one of my favorite quotes for this situation: "As
long as nothing happens to the engine, there's no danger."

 

                   Perhaps for the least financial cost, the Mustang engine
transplant might the best deal.  You said that the biggest dollar cost would
be adjusting or rebuilding the carb for it's new situation in the Pantera.
You could put the Pantera engine on a stand and then....put the Mustang on
the proverbial back burner of "when I get 'round tuit" and/or begin another
engine build from those three re-builders you have for a Mustang powerplant.

 

 

                                     Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

 

 

 

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Asa Jay Laughton
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:52 PM
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 


Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

 

Well the fact is there is nothing -wrong- with the stock engine -in- the
Pantera right now.  Except for doomsayer's like John (no offense intended)
who keep a tinge of doubt in my mind, I have no qualms about running this
engine at 100 MPH for 90 miles.  It needs nothing right now other than an
oil and filter change, well and maybe a new radiator (or rebuilt, I'm
working on that).

Granted, running it between WOT and full Brakes on the local track for 20
minutes at a shot, or brutalizing it on an autocross course isn't the same.
Might it not survive 100 MPH for 90 miles?  Maybe.

Two years ago I replaced all the valve stem keepers and valve stem seals.
I've tuned it for no-knock on 92 Octane pump gas (of course it's a '73
de-tuned engine anyway.)  It has a full-roller timing set (after the stock
set went south).  Okay, so it's not strictly stock, like Brock Tella stock,
okay?

No worries though, I'm not about to spend a brazilian dollars on new parts
for a new rebuild.  That comes secondary.  What the angst is about is
whether to buy in to the idea the stock engine might grenade on course and
instead run the engine I've built for the Mach I.  Details on that engine
build are here:
http://www.asajay.com/351rebuild/351rebuild.htm

It's been running in the Mach I since 2001, just not been driven a whole
lot.

<sigh>  I just need new shocks/springs, a new radiator, wheels and tires, an
oil and filter change and I'll be ready.  But I'll also listen to other
advice.  What other reasons are there that my engine as it is might not make
it 90 miles at 100 MPH?

Asa Jay




Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
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On 12/3/2011 5:35 PM,  Charles Engles wrote: 

Dear Asa,

 

                 Ahem.  That should read:   John's email is filled with
words of wisdom.   

                                          My bad,  Chuck Engles

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Charles Engles
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
To: 'John Bentley'; 'Asa Jay Laughton'; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

Dear Asa,

                      John email is filled with words of wisdom.    

 

                                                 Warmest regards,  Chuck
Engles

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of John Bentley
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
To: Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

Asa,

You gotta stop this!  Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched
engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!  Don't worry about
the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and
run the 100 MPH class.  Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it again.
:)  My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way and if I
waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack stands.

Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!

JB

From: Asa Jay Laughton  <mailto:asajay at asajay.com> <asajay at asajay.com>
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

You're excellency,

There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The
Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian on
their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a refrigerator specifically
designated for beer.  Although it's not normally stocked, it miraculously
fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay.  And one of the natives
has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.

I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an
original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the more
I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something, which I
sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and drive away.
So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the other... how cool
would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the
original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was
made?  ...   WOW!

The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in
-over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I
just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me
even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers
matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.

The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further
forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good
candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly
80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could use for new
rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again,
the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.

If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would
most likely happen in January and would look something like this:

- Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
- Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
    - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
    - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
    - Remove fan belts and fan
    - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
necessary)
    - Remove alternator
    - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
    - Remove carb, tape over intake
    - Remove distributor
    - Unbolt headers at head
    - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton,
MSgt, USAFR, Retired
    - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
    - Put the engine on a stand
- Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
- Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
    - Remove the decklid
    - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt
radiator)
    - Drain engine oil
    - Drain ZF gear oil
    - Unhook fuel line and cork
    - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
    - Unhook all wiring, set aside
    - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
    - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
    - Remove A/C Condensor
    - Unhook headers
    - Unhook transmission linkage
    - Unhook transmission wiring
    - Unhook half-shafts
    - Remove clutch slave, set aside
    - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
- Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
    - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
    - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
    - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine,
otherwise.... more money)
- Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

But then.....
- I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB on
there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the Pantera
would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach I
engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
- I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but
I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it
work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
- If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting
doughnuts. (more money)
- If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system, ala
John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in the
engine bay)
- Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.

So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get that
darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and
"practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and
coveted my neighbors ponies.

Asa Jay    

& Shelley Marie

Spokane, WA

******************************     

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On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).

 

Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor,
use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the
mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a
place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped something
big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels,
too.

 

Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 

 

Morally unemployed,

David in Durango

 

 

 

[1] next winter = appropriate economic time

----- Original Message ----- 

From:  <mailto:asajay at asajay.com> Asa Jay Laughton 

To:  <mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com> tpr at teampanteraracing.com 

Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM

Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
nnnnnnngh......
I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
It's winter........
I'm not driving the car......
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
Must.... resist.... temptation.

If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the
car and I can't have that.

must.... resist....

Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired

& Shelley Marie

Spokane, WA

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On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related>
&feature=related

 

just in case you've forgotten.

 

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From bob at radefeld.com  Sun Dec  4 10:40:33 2011
From: bob at radefeld.com (bob Radefeld)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 12:40:33 -0600
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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 Agreed Chuck!

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:

>  Dear Bob,****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
>                    In my opinion it is always a slippery slope and
> planning helps to keep you from ending up on the black slope with the
> moguls??.****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
>                                     Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* bob Radefeld [mailto:bob at radefeld.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:14 AM
> *To:* Charles Engles
> *Cc:* Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
>   ** **
>
> Dear Chuck,****
>
>  ****
>
> Weren't you one of the folks with advice regarding the "slippery slope"
> syndrome that so easily occurs when one pulls his engine? That certainly
> applied to me when my engine came out of my car & I've got a hunch it could
> very easily infect Asa if he swaps engines. If he can somehow "immunize"
> himself against this happening then YES, I would agree that swapping
> engines might allow for a smaller outlay of $$ for him. Personally,
> however, I would pull only the heads & be more assured that my chances of
> sliding were minimized to the max.........FWIW.****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> Bob ****
>
>  ****
>
>
>
>  ****
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:***
> *
>
> Dear Mr. Not Completely Stock Engine Owner,****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
>                   My biggest concern was with the lousy plastic timing
> gear and you?ve taken care of that.  I had forgotten about the two piece
> valves.  I think the best and most unpleasant comments on that are from JB
> and  Rowdy.   To paraphrase one of my favorite quotes for this situation:
> ?As long as nothing happens to the engine, there?s no danger.?****
>
>  ****
>
>                    Perhaps for the least financial cost, the Mustang
> engine transplant might the best deal.  You said that the biggest dollar
> cost would be adjusting or rebuilding the carb for it?s new situation in
> the Pantera.   You could put the Pantera engine on a stand and then??..put
> the Mustang on the proverbial back burner of ?when I get ?round tuit?
> and/or begin another engine build from those three re-builders you have for
> a Mustang powerplant.****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
>                                      Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> Fr*om:* tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [mailto:
> tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] *On Behalf Of *Asa Jay Laughton
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:52 PM
> *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com ****
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
>  ****
>
> Well the fact is there is nothing -wrong- with the stock engine -in- the
> Pantera right now.  Except for doomsayer's like John (no offense intended)
> who keep a tinge of doubt in my mind, I have no qualms about running this
> engine at 100 MPH for 90 miles.  It needs nothing right now other than an
> oil and filter change, well and maybe a new radiator (or rebuilt, I'm
> working on that).
>
> Granted, running it between WOT and full Brakes on the local track for 20
> minutes at a shot, or brutalizing it on an autocross course isn't the
> same.  Might it not survive 100 MPH for 90 miles?  Maybe.
>
> Two years ago I replaced all the valve stem keepers and valve stem seals.
> I've tuned it for no-knock on 92 Octane pump gas (of course it's a '73
> de-tuned engine anyway.)  It has a full-roller timing set (after the stock
> set went south).  Okay, so it's not strictly stock, like Brock Tella stock,
> okay?
>
> No worries though, I'm not about to spend a brazilian dollars on new parts
> for a new rebuild.  That comes secondary.  What the angst is about is
> whether to buy in to the idea the stock engine might grenade on course and
> instead run the engine I've built for the Mach I.  Details on that engine
> build are here:
> http://www.asajay.com/351rebuild/351rebuild.htm
>
> It's been running in the Mach I since 2001, just not been driven a whole
> lot.
>
> <sigh>  I just need new shocks/springs, a new radiator, wheels and tires,
> an oil and filter change and I'll be ready.  But I'll also listen to other
> advice.  What other reasons are there that my engine as it is might not
> make it 90 miles at 100 MPH?
>
> Asa Jay
>
>
> ****
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired****
>
> & Shelley Marie****
>
> Spokane, WA****
>
> ******************************     ****
>
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com****
>
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com****
>
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism****
>
>
> On 12/3/2011 5:35 PM,  Charles Engles wrote: ****
>
> Dear Asa,****
>
>  ****
>
>                  Ahem.  That should read:  * **John?s* email is filled
> with words of wisdom.   ****
>
>                                           My bad,  Chuck Engles****
>
> *From:* tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [
> mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com<tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com>
> ]* **On Behalf Of* Charles Engles
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
> *To:* 'John Bentley'; 'Asa Jay Laughton'; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
> Dear Asa,****
>
>                       John email is filled with words of wisdom.    ****
>
>  ****
>
>                                                  Warmest regards,  Chuck
> Engles****
>
> *From:* tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [
> mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com<tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com>
> ]* **On Behalf Of* John Bentley
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
> *To:* Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
> Asa,****
>
> You gotta stop this!  Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched
> engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!  Don't worry about
> the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and
> run the 100 MPH class.  Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it
> again. :)  My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way
> and if I waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack
> stands.****
>
> Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!*
> ***
>
> JB****
>
> *From:* Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> <asajay at asajay.com>
> *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
> You're excellency,
>
> There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The
> Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian
> on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a refrigerator
> specifically designated for beer.  Although it's not normally stocked, it
> miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay.  And one
> of the natives has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.
>
> I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an
> original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the
> more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something,
> which I sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and
> drive away.  So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the
> other... how cool would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed
> class, with the original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40
> years after it was made?  ...   WOW!
>
> The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in
> -over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I
> just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me
> even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers
> matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.
>
> The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further
> forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good
> candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly
> 80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could use for new
> rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again,
> the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.
>
> If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would
> most likely happen in January and would look something like this:
>
> - Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
> - Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
>     - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
>     - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
>     - Remove fan belts and fan
>     - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
> necessary)
>     - Remove alternator
>     - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
>     - Remove carb, tape over intake
>     - Remove distributor
>     - Unbolt headers at head
>     - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton,
> MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>     - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
>     - Put the engine on a stand
> - Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
> - Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
>     - Remove the decklid
>     - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt
> radiator)
>     - Drain engine oil
>     - Drain ZF gear oil
>     - Unhook fuel line and cork
>     - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
>     - Unhook all wiring, set aside
>     - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
>     - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
>     - Remove A/C Condensor
>     - Unhook headers
>     - Unhook transmission linkage
>     - Unhook transmission wiring
>     - Unhook half-shafts
>     - Remove clutch slave, set aside
>     - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
> - Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
>     - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
>     - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
>     - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine,
> otherwise.... more money)
> - Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)
>
> But then.....
> - I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB on
> there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the
> Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach
> I engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
> - I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but
> I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it
> work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
> - If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting
> doughnuts. (more money)
> - If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system,
> ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in
> the engine bay)
> - Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.
>
> So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get that
> darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and
> "practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.
>
> Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and
> coveted my neighbors ponies.
>
> Asa Jay    ****
>
> & Shelley Marie****
>
> Spokane, WA****
>
> ******************************     ****
>
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com****
>
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com****
>
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism****
>
>
> On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: ****
>
> So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).****
>
>  ****
>
> Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera
> motor, use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in
> the mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he
> had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped
> something big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your
> new wheels, too.****
>
>  ****
>
> Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . ****
>
>  ****
>
> Morally unemployed,****
>
> David in Durango****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> [1] next winter = appropriate economic time****
>
> ----- Original Message ----- ****
>
> *From:* Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> ****
>
> *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com ****
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM****
>
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>
> The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
> The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
> nnnnnnngh......
> I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
> rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
> It's winter........
> I'm not driving the car......
> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
> Must.... resist.... temptation.
>
> If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for
> the car and I can't have that.
>
> must.... resist....
>
> Asa Jay****
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired****
>
> & Shelley Marie****
>
> Spokane, WA****
>
> ******************************     ****
>
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com****
>
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com****
>
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism****
>
>
> On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: ****
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related****
>
>  ****
>
> just in case you've forgotten.****
>
>  ****
>
> Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!****
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From teampantera at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  5 10:46:50 2011
From: teampantera at yahoo.com (Mad Dog Antenucci)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 10:46:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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And now for the dissenting opinion;

If you don't have millions of dollars falling out of your pocket like Chuck and others <grin> do.............remember mosty anything-Detroit iron that has 8 working cylinders that will get you BACK in the driver's seat of your Pantera is a good thing.?

I think waiting months or years doesn't work unless you just ain't man enough to go to the junkyard or to the Mustang and pull that engine you need....okay kidding here guys.....see lots of smiley faces :-) ;-) ;-) ;-)

But if youdon't want to drive the Pantera anymore then doing nothing will be okay too <more grins).....after all ain't you got lots of rain, snow and ice now??

Yea of course you do..... so best time to put in a ?'doner' engine until you have more bucks to work with is right now....that way come spring you are ready to drive the Pantera again.

PS I am still waiting for a sponsor to build my 1,000 HP twin turbo street engine for the Pantera ;-)


?
Mad Dawg Antenucci 
Team Pantera Racing 
The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing 
www.teampanteraracing.com


________________________________
 From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
To: 'Asa Jay Laughton' <asajay at asajay.com> 
Cc: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
 

Dear Asa,
?
?
????????????????? Why don?t you just build another engine over the winter and pop it into the Pantera???? Or??more economically, pull the Pantera engine and add new bearings on the lower end and bolt on some 4V heads with port stuffers plus a Funnelweb intake and a new cam??? The Pantera is important, but you wouldn?t want to sacrifice a perfectly good Mach I for a powerplant.
?
?
???????????????? ????????????????Warmest regards,? Chuck Engles
?
?
?
From:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Asa Jay Laughton
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 3:10 PM
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
nnnnnnngh......
I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
It's winter........
I'm not driving the car......
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
Must.... resist.... temptation.

If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the car and I can't have that.

must.... resist....

Asa Jay


Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************???? 
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism

On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related
?
just in case you've forgotten.
?
Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
?
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From teampantera at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  5 10:47:57 2011
From: teampantera at yahoo.com (Mad Dog Antenucci)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 10:47:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Isn't that what I just said?
Yea of course it is.....okay seriously this is the first time the Pope and I have agreed on anything <grin>
?
Mad Dawg Antenucci 
Team Pantera Racing 
The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing 
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________________________________
 From: David in Durango <adin at frontier.net>
To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>; tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
 

So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?? Hot motor? (well, 
usable).
?
Swap them out!? If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera 
motor, use it for the dream rebuild? "next winter" [1] and have some fun in 
the mean time.? I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he 
had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.? That way, if you dropped 
something big, you would have back up!? Hell, he might even deliver your 
new wheels, too.
?
Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 
?
Morally unemployed,
David in Durango
?
?
?
[1] next winter = appropriate economic time
----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Asa Jay  Laughton 
>To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
>Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10  PM
>Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . .  . .
>
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>
>The more I -SIT- 
  here and dwell on it.....
>The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I 
  into the Pantera.....
>nnnnnnngh......
>I know I could have it done in a 
  couple weekends....
>rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
>It's winter........
>I'm 
  not driving the car......
>mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
>Must.... 
  resist.... temptation.
>
>If I take that engine out of the Mustang... 
  it'll be the death nell for the car and I can't have that.
>
>must.... 
  resist....
>
>Asa Jay
>
>Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>On 
  12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
> 
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related
>>?
>>just in case you've forgotten.
>>?
>>Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 10:52:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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STOP being a girl AJ and follow my advise....or that advise I got from Doc, JB and the Pope. ;-)
?
Mad Dawg Antenucci 
Team Pantera Racing 
The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing 
www.teampanteraracing.com


________________________________
 From: John Bentley <gndplne at yahoo.com>
To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>; "tpr at teampanteraracing.com" <tpr at teampanteraracing.com> 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
 

Asa,

You gotta stop this!? Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!? Don't worry about the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and run the 100 MPH class.? Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it again. :)? My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way and if I waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack stands.


Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!


JB


________________________________
 From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
 

You're excellency,

There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for
    The Pope.? The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John
    Christian on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.? I have a
    refrigerator specifically designated for beer.? Although it's not
    normally stocked, it miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop
    cloth comes to stay.? And one of the natives has a "Hut" always well
    stocked with pizza.

I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.?
    It's an original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.?
    Yes.... the more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on
    breaking something, which I sometimes have angst about.... until I
    climb in, fire it up and drive away.? So on the one hand, I really
    should swap it, but on the other... how cool would it be to complete
    the SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the original numbers
    matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was made??
    ...?? WOW!

The Mach I could sit without an engine.? I haven't actually driven
    it in -over- a year.? It's really in a sad state of bodywork and
    paint.? But I just know if it sits for -long- without an engine....
    it will depress me even further as to it's non-driven state.? That
    engine is -not- numbers matching and I could pretty much put it
    anywhere I want without any angst.

The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting
    further forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.? It isn't
    a good candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time
    and has nearly 80K miles on it or so.? I have three others stored
    that I could use for new rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what
    condition they are in.... again, the Northwest PRI has no money for
    research at the moment.

If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it
    would most likely happen in January and would look something like
    this:

- Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
- Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
??? - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove
    radiator
??? - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
??? - Remove fan belts and fan
??? - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
    necessary)
??? - Remove alternator
??? - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
??? - Remove carb, tape over intake
??? - Remove distributor
??? - Unbolt headers at head
??? - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay
    Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
??? - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
??? - Put the engine on a stand
- Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
- Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
??? - Remove the decklid
??? - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or
    rebuilt radiator)
??? - Drain engine oil
??? - Drain ZF gear oil
??? - Unhook fuel line and cork
??? - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
??? - Unhook all wiring, set aside
??? - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
??? - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
??? - Remove A/C Condensor
??? - Unhook headers
??? - Unhook transmission linkage
??? - Unhook transmission wiring
??? - Unhook half-shafts
??? - Remove clutch slave, set aside
??? - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
- Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
??? - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
??? - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one
    (money)
??? - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are
    fine, otherwise.... more money)
- Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

But then.....
- I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.? The Carter
    AFB on there works, but not as optimally as it should.? The Holley
    from the Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the higher
    horsepower of the Mach I engine.? Do I rebuild and re-tune the
    Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
- I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the
    Pantera but I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine
    compartment to make it work.? Best to do that while the engine is
    out. (more money)
- If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber
    mounting doughnuts. (more money)
- If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling
    system, ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some
    creative work in the engine bay)
- Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being
    used.

So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.? But I get
    that darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in
    my bones and "practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower
    and coveted my neighbors ponies.

Asa Jay ?? 



& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?? Hot motor? (well, usable).
>?
>Swap them out!? If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor, use it for the dream rebuild? "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the mean time.? I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.? That way, if you dropped something big, you would have back up!? Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels, too.
>?
>Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 
>?
>Morally unemployed,
>David in Durango
>?
>?
>?
>[1] next winter = appropriate economic time
>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: Asa Jay Laughton 
>>To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
>>Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM
>>Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>>
>>
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>>
>>The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
>>The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the
        Pantera.....
>>nnnnnnngh......
>>I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
>>rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
>>It's winter........
>>I'm not driving the car......
>>mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
>>Must.... resist.... temptation.
>>
>>If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death
        nell for the car and I can't have that.
>>
>>must.... resist....
>>
>>Asa Jay
>>
>>Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>>On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
>> 
>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related
>>>?
>>>just in case you've forgotten.
>>>?
>>>Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
>>>
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From teampantera at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  5 11:35:16 2011
From: teampantera at yahoo.com (Mad Dog Antenucci)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 11:35:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] Fw: Gone in less than 60 seconds: 11 luxury sports cars
	wrecked in expensive pileup (Note the Porsche comes through
	unscathed)
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Proof that Japanese drivers are out of control
?
Mad Dawg Antenucci 
Team Pantera Racing 
The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing 
www.teampanteraracing.com

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To: "teampantera at yahoo.com" <teampantera at yahoo.com> 
Sent: Monday, December 5, 2011 11:12 AM
Subject: Gone in less than 60 seconds: 11 luxury sports cars wrecked in expensive pileup (Note the Porsche comes through unscathed)
 
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From michaelsavga at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 06:33:22 2011
From: michaelsavga at gmail.com (michael@michaelshortt.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:33:22 -0500
Subject: [TPR] FOR YOU TOOL NUTS...A NEW GAUGE
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  *FOR ALL of YOU TOOL NUTS  .....  *



  *I just bought this new gauge from Home Depot's Tool Dept.*

  *It takes a while to learn all the settings but I'm pretty handy*
  *and was patient, so I figured it out eventually.*

  *You know for sure with this gauge, there is no more guessing!*




  *Home Depot......A man's toy  store......... *










  *It's just so much fun to use. I really love it!!!*

  *A guy just can't own too many tools.*


















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From teampantera at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 24 09:16:44 2011
From: teampantera at yahoo.com (Mad Dog Antenucci)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 09:16:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] Merry Christmas - Racers Only
Message-ID: <1324747004.3439.YahooMailNeo@web121903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Racer Guys & Laurie (But no one else;-)

Merry Christmas amigo's!
Most of you should already have got ready for football playoffs back in midwest or right coast...your feet propped up on the sofa ready for the play offs.?

Was just thinking about our little dysfunctional group and wanted all of you to know I was thinking about all of you......

Love ya guys

Dawg
Team Pantera Racing
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From adin at frontier.net  Sat Dec 24 09:36:01 2011
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 10:36:01 -0700
Subject: [TPR] Merry Christmas - Racers Only
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Foot f__king ball?  What kind of a lame pat-me-on-the-ass thing is that???

I'll be in the garage, working on the Pantera.

Butt, Hope everyone has a safe, warm, and wonderful holiday.

http://images44.fotki.com/v1409/photos/4/43175/2747095/xmas88019-vi.jpg

Ho, Ho, Ho, pimp.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mad Dog Antenucci 
  To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 10:16 AM
  Subject: [TPR] Merry Christmas - Racers Only


  Racer Guys & Laurie (But no one else;-)


  Merry Christmas amigo's!
  Most of you should already have got ready for football playoffs back in midwest or right coast...your feet propped up on the sofa ready for the play offs. 


  Was just thinking about our little dysfunctional group and wanted all of you to know I was thinking about all of you......


  Love ya guys


  Dawg
  Team Pantera Racing




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From teampantera at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 24 09:47:05 2011
From: teampantera at yahoo.com (Mad Dog Antenucci)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 09:47:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] Merry Christmas - Racers Only
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Awsome!
And your right homey.....I forgot! ?And Iforget not everyone is basking in 70-75F blue skys and sunshine!?
I'm gonna be DRIVING today and espially tomorrow morning...wake up call for neighbors.

Off to beach.

Dawg

________________________________
 From: David in Durango <adin at frontier.net>
To: Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>; tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [TPR] Merry Christmas - Racers Only
 

 
Foot f__king ball?? What kind of a lame pat-me-on-the-ass thing is 
that???
?
I'll be in the garage, working on the Pantera.
?
Butt, Hope everyone has a safe, warm, and wonderful holiday.
?
http://images44.fotki.com/v1409/photos/4/43175/2747095/xmas88019-vi.jpg
?
Ho, Ho, Ho, pimp.
----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Mad Dog  Antenucci 
>To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
>Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 10:16  AM
>Subject: [TPR] Merry Christmas - Racers  Only
>
>
>Racer Guys & Laurie (But no one else;-)
>
>
>Merry Christmas amigo's!
>Most of you should already have got ready for football playoffs back in  midwest or right coast...your feet propped up on the sofa ready for the play  offs.?
>
>
>Was just thinking about our little dysfunctional group and wanted all of  you to know I was thinking about all of you......
>
>
>Love ya guys
>
>
>Dawg
>Team Pantera Racing
>
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From asajay at asajay.com  Fri Dec  2 10:07:44 2011
From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 18:07:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TPR] Asa Jay Laughton wants you to see this review at Amazon.com
Message-ID: <urn.correios.msg.201112021807440e0ce8c3b8d24470a5db1e6e4c483c53@1322849264469.rte-svc-na-i-81e1a9eb.us-east-1.amazon.com>

Amazon.com: Online Shopping for Electronics, Apparel, Computers, Books, DVDs & more 
 Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> requested that we send this e-mail. If you have questions about Amazon.com, please visit our Help Department(http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/508510/ref=cm_sw_em_r_asr_Z8FqC.1DXH9MJ_h). 

  
      Asa writes: 
  Back in 2008, TPR President Dennis "Mad Dawg" Antenucci gave me an old Garmin GPS III Plus in hopes I might put it to use myself in some upcoming ORR.  When I moved to a new Windows7 64-bit computer, I no longer had any serial ports to plug this in to do data analysis.

I know some of you have used or are still using this same kind of GPS (the older ones that work better and are more accurate).  So if you have one of these that requires a serial port, and you're running a newfangled computer -without- serial ports, check out the review I just wrote on Amazon for a product that saved the day.

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From teampantera at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  2 11:06:27 2011
From: teampantera at yahoo.com (Mad Dog Antenucci)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 11:06:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay Laughton wants you
	to see this review at Amazon.com
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I didn't 'give-it' to you....I DONATED it to you SLACKER..... because you said you were gonna run an open road race....that was back in 2008....that part about the YEAR you got right.?

What year is it now?
LOL.....Okay just kidding.

Merry Christmas....happy holidays to everyone including AJ ;-)>

Any of you see or read on the news about the wind storms we have here in California?
Remember that 100 foot pine tree behind my house?

The wind storm that 100' pine tree down behind my house....I felt dramatized and all most cried.....fortunately it landed on my neighbors house....okay maybe NOT his house..... but it wasn't on MY house either! ;-)>

Thanking the Pantera Gods
?
Mad "Lucky' Dawg Antenucci 
Team Pantera Racing 
The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing 
www.teampanteraracing.com


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To: "tpr at teampanteraracing.com" <tpr at teampanteraracing.com> 
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 10:07 AM
Subject: [TPR] Asa Jay Laughton wants you to see this review at Amazon.com
 

 
Asa Jay Laughton requested that we send this e-mail. If you have questions about Amazon.com, please visit our Help Department . 
? 
 Asa writes:
Back in 2008, TPR President Dennis "Mad Dawg" Antenucci gave me an old Garmin GPS III Plus in hopes I might put it to use myself in some upcoming ORR.  When I moved to a new Windows7 64-bit computer, I no longer had any serial ports to plug this in to do data analysis.

I know some of you have used or are still using this same kind of GPS (the older ones that work better and are more accurate).  So if you have one of these that requires a serial port, and you're running a newfangled computer -without- serial ports, check out the review I just wrote on Amazon for a product that saved the day.

Asa Jay
  
? 
? 
?  Resurrected my Garmin GPS III Plus, December 2, 2011 
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From asajay at asajay.com  Fri Dec  2 12:24:38 2011
From: asajay at asajay.com (asajay at asajay.com)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 12:24:38 -0800
Subject: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay Laughton
	wants	you to see this review at Amazon.com
In-Reply-To: <1322852787.81283.YahooMailNeo@web121918.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <urn.correios.msg.201112021807440e0ce8c3b8d24470a5db1e6e4c483c53@1322849264469.rte-svc-na-i-81e1a9eb.us-east-1.amazon.com>
	<1322852787.81283.YahooMailNeo@web121918.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111202122438.xi82matz4wgkkgcc@webmail.asajay.com>

Quoting Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>:

> ....I felt  dramatized and all most cried.....

You my friend... are always DRAMATIZED!  :)

and yea... I'm hoping to use that donation next year if I can get  
things properly ready.

Asa Jay


From adin at frontier.net  Fri Dec  2 18:14:25 2011
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 19:14:25 -0700
Subject: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay
	Laughtonwants	you to see this review at Amazon.com
References: <urn.correios.msg.201112021807440e0ce8c3b8d24470a5db1e6e4c483c53@1322849264469.rte-svc-na-i-81e1a9eb.us-east-1.amazon.com><1322852787.81283.YahooMailNeo@web121918.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<20111202122438.xi82matz4wgkkgcc@webmail.asajay.com>
Message-ID: <06C99F922BB945DABE22B172B9A892FF@ZTxp>

Well, AJ . . .  I'm saving a set of wheels for you - hope you can make it!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <asajay at asajay.com>
To: <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay Laughtonwants 
you to see this review at Amazon.com


> Quoting Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>:
>
>> ....I felt  dramatized and all most cried.....
>
> You my friend... are always DRAMATIZED!  :)
>
> and yea... I'm hoping to use that donation next year if I can get
> things properly ready.
>
> Asa Jay
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From asajay at asajay.com  Fri Dec  2 19:47:02 2011
From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 19:47:02 -0800
Subject: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay	Laughtonwants
 you to see this review at Amazon.com
In-Reply-To: <06C99F922BB945DABE22B172B9A892FF@ZTxp>
References: <urn.correios.msg.201112021807440e0ce8c3b8d24470a5db1e6e4c483c53@1322849264469.rte-svc-na-i-81e1a9eb.us-east-1.amazon.com><1322852787.81283.YahooMailNeo@web121918.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>	<20111202122438.xi82matz4wgkkgcc@webmail.asajay.com>
	<06C99F922BB945DABE22B172B9A892FF@ZTxp>
Message-ID: <4ED99BB6.9080207@asajay.com>

I'm trying to save up for those first, I've not forgotten and hate for 
my integrity to wear thin.

Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
&  Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/2/2011 6:14 PM, David in Durango wrote:
> Well, AJ . . .  I'm saving a set of wheels for you - hope you can make it!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:<asajay at asajay.com>
> To:<tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay Laughtonwants
> you to see this review at Amazon.com
>
>
>> Quoting Mad Dog Antenucci<teampantera at yahoo.com>:
>>
>>> ....I felt  dramatized and all most cried.....
>> You my friend... are always DRAMATIZED!  :)
>>
>> and yea... I'm hoping to use that donation next year if I can get
>> things properly ready.
>>
>> Asa Jay
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From adin at frontier.net  Fri Dec  2 20:07:36 2011
From: adin at frontier.net (David)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 21:07:36 -0700
Subject: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay	Laughtonwants
	you to see this review at Amazon.com
In-Reply-To: <4ED99BB6.9080207@asajay.com>
References: <urn.correios.msg.201112021807440e0ce8c3b8d24470a5db1e6e4c483c53@1322849264469.rte-svc-na-i-81e1a9eb.us-east-1.amazon.com>
	<1322852787.81283.YahooMailNeo@web121918.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<20111202122438.xi82matz4wgkkgcc@webmail.asajay.com>
	<06C99F922BB945DABE22B172B9A892FF@ZTxp>
	<4ED99BB6.9080207@asajay.com>
Message-ID: <5117A4B6-7F00-4FEB-B8E4-A92F271203A6@frontier.net>

Your integrity is fine. Just checking. 

Let me know any needs/concerns/deadlines. 

On Dec 2, 2011, at 8:47 PM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:

> I'm trying to save up for those first, I've not forgotten and hate for 
> my integrity to wear thin.
> 
> Asa Jay
> 
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> &  Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
> 
> 
> On 12/2/2011 6:14 PM, David in Durango wrote:
>> Well, AJ . . .  I'm saving a set of wheels for you - hope you can make it!
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From:<asajay at asajay.com>
>> To:<tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay Laughtonwants
>> you to see this review at Amazon.com
>> 
>> 
>>> Quoting Mad Dog Antenucci<teampantera at yahoo.com>:
>>> 
>>>> ....I felt  dramatized and all most cried.....
>>> You my friend... are always DRAMATIZED!  :)
>>> 
>>> and yea... I'm hoping to use that donation next year if I can get
>>> things properly ready.
>>> 
>>> Asa Jay
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From teampantera at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  3 08:54:25 2011
From: teampantera at yahoo.com (Mad Dog Antenucci)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 08:54:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay Laughtonwants
	you to see this review at Amazon.com
In-Reply-To: <06C99F922BB945DABE22B172B9A892FF@ZTxp>
References: <urn.correios.msg.201112021807440e0ce8c3b8d24470a5db1e6e4c483c53@1322849264469.rte-svc-na-i-81e1a9eb.us-east-1.amazon.com><1322852787.81283.YahooMailNeo@web121918.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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WTF?
The Pope is gonna be serious now? ?;-)
He must be sick.....okay I'll raise that bed and offer you my tires WHEN (not if) you run during this current decade.
Kidding again. ;-)?
?
Mad Dawg Antenucci 
Team Pantera Racing 
The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing 
www.teampanteraracing.com


________________________________
 From: David in Durango <adin at frontier.net>
To: asajay at asajay.com; tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay Laughtonwants you to see this review at Amazon.com
 
Well, AJ . . .? I'm saving a set of wheels for you - hope you can make it!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <asajay at asajay.com>
To: <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay Laughtonwants 
you to see this review at Amazon.com


> Quoting Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>:
>
>> ....I felt? dramatized and all most cried.....
>
> You my friend... are always DRAMATIZED!? :)
>
> and yea... I'm hoping to use that donation next year if I can get
> things properly ready.
>
> Asa Jay
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From adin at frontier.net  Sat Dec  3 12:20:45 2011
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 13:20:45 -0700
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
Message-ID: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related

just in case you've forgotten.

Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
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From asajay at asajay.com  Sat Dec  3 13:05:25 2011
From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 13:05:25 -0800
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
In-Reply-To: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>
References: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>
Message-ID: <4EDA8F15.3030607@asajay.com>

<insert manly grunts here>

I'd like my 351C to sound that good.

Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
&  Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related 
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related>
> just in case you've forgotten.
> Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> No virus found in this message.
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From asajay at asajay.com  Sat Dec  3 13:10:25 2011
From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 13:10:25 -0800
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
In-Reply-To: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>
References: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>
Message-ID: <4EDA9041.1070108@asajay.com>

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
nnnnnnngh......
I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
It's winter........
I'm not driving the car......
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
Must.... resist.... temptation.

If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for 
the car and I can't have that.

must.... resist....

Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
&  Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related 
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related>
> just in case you've forgotten.
> Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TPR mailing list
> TPR at teampanteraracing.com
> http://lists.teampanteraracing.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tpr
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> No virus found in this message.
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From cengles at cox.net  Sat Dec  3 13:36:25 2011
From: cengles at cox.net ( Charles Engles)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 15:36:25 -0600
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
In-Reply-To: <4EDA9041.1070108@asajay.com>
References: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>
	<4EDA9041.1070108@asajay.com>
Message-ID: <005301ccb203$9c152820$d43f7860$@net>

Dear Asa,

 

 

                  Why don't you just build another engine over the winter
and pop it into the Pantera?    Or..more economically, pull the Pantera
engine and add new bearings on the lower end and bolt on some 4V heads with
port stuffers plus a Funnelweb intake and a new cam?   The Pantera is
important, but you wouldn't want to sacrifice a perfectly good Mach I for a
powerplant.

 

 

                                 Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

 

 

 

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Asa Jay Laughton
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 3:10 PM
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

 

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
nnnnnnngh......
I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
It's winter........
I'm not driving the car......
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
Must.... resist.... temptation.

If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the
car and I can't have that.

must.... resist....

Asa Jay



Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related>
&feature=related

 

just in case you've forgotten.

 

Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!

 
 
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From adin at frontier.net  Sat Dec  3 13:48:10 2011
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 14:48:10 -0700
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
References: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>
	<4EDA9041.1070108@asajay.com>
Message-ID: <62EB471FBC054D0D8FFF4316A4633B1B@ZTxp>

So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).

Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor, use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped something big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels, too.

Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 

Morally unemployed,
David in Durango



[1] next winter = appropriate economic time
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Asa Jay Laughton 
  To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .


  AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

  The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
  The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
  nnnnnnngh......
  I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
  rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
  It's winter........
  I'm not driving the car......
  mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
  Must.... resist.... temptation.

  If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the car and I can't have that.

  must.... resist....

  Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
  On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related

    just in case you've forgotten.

    Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!

_______________________________________________
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TPR at teampanteraracing.com
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From asajay at asajay.com  Sat Dec  3 14:55:35 2011
From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 14:55:35 -0800
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Dr. Engles,
(Dr. as in Doctor of Pantera's from the Pantera Research Institute (PRI))

I would love nothing more than to spend time in the Northwest PRI lab 
putting together the next great engine to stuff in the Pantera.  Ah, the 
bliss of making sure all the specs are right, assembling all the pieces, 
torquing to spec, trying a new cam/head/intake combination, firing it up 
for the first time..... <sigh>

Last time it took me about $4,000 to do that.  Not bad when you consider 
what the big boys get for a rebuild.  But....

If I even had that money, it would be going to new coil-over shocks and 
springs, new wheels/tires, new radiator, and then SSCC entry fees, hotel 
and travel costs.

As for a refresh.... same story except throw in the fact I have the 
-original- engine in my Pantera and when I take it out, it's going into 
storage for a fairly warmed-over stock rebuild (nothing real fancy).

Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
&  Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 1:36 PM,  Charles Engles wrote:
>
> Dear Asa,
>
>                   Why don't you just build another engine over the 
> winter and pop it into the Pantera?    Or......more economically, pull 
> the Pantera engine and add new bearings on the lower end and bolt on 
> some 4V heads with port stuffers plus a Funnelweb intake and a new 
> cam?   The Pantera is important, but you wouldn't want to sacrifice a 
> perfectly good Mach I for a powerplant.
>
>                                  Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
>
> *From:*tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com 
> [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] *On Behalf Of *Asa Jay Laughton
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 3:10 PM
> *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>
> The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
> The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
> nnnnnnngh......
> I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
> rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
> It's winter........
> I'm not driving the car......
> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
> Must.... resist.... temptation.
>
> If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell 
> for the car and I can't have that.
>
> must.... resist....
>
> Asa Jay
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> &  Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
>
> On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related 
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related>
>
> just in case you've forgotten.
>
> Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
>
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From asajay at asajay.com  Sat Dec  3 15:51:01 2011
From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 15:51:01 -0800
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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You're excellency,

There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The 
Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John 
Christian on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a 
refrigerator specifically designated for beer.  Although it's not 
normally stocked, it miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop cloth 
comes to stay.  And one of the natives has a "Hut" always well stocked 
with pizza.

I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an 
original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the 
more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something, 
which I sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and 
drive away.  So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the 
other... how cool would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit 
speed class, with the original numbers matching engine, never been 
rebuilt, 40 years after it was made?  ...   WOW!

The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in 
-over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I 
just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me 
even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers 
matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.

The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further 
forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good 
candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has 
nearly 80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could 
use for new rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are 
in.... again, the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.

If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would 
most likely happen in January and would look something like this:

- Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
- Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
     - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
     - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
     - Remove fan belts and fan
     - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if 
necessary)
     - Remove alternator
     - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
     - Remove carb, tape over intake
     - Remove distributor
     - Unbolt headers at head
     - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay 
Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
     - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
     - Put the engine on a stand
- Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
- Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
     - Remove the decklid
     - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or 
rebuilt radiator)
     - Drain engine oil
     - Drain ZF gear oil
     - Unhook fuel line and cork
     - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
     - Unhook all wiring, set aside
     - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
     - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
     - Remove A/C Condensor
     - Unhook headers
     - Unhook transmission linkage
     - Unhook transmission wiring
     - Unhook half-shafts
     - Remove clutch slave, set aside
     - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
- Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
     - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
     - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
     - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine, 
otherwise.... more money)
- Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

But then.....
- I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB 
on there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the 
Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the 
Mach I engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the 
Holley?
- I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera 
but I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make 
it work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
- If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting 
doughnuts. (more money)
- If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system, 
ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work 
in the engine bay)
- Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.

So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get 
that darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my 
bones and "practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and 
coveted my neighbors ponies.

Asa Jay


&  Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote:
> So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).
> Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera 
> motor, use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some 
> fun in the mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 
> days if he had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if 
> you dropped something big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might 
> even deliver your new wheels, too.
> Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . .
> Morally unemployed,
> David in Durango
> [1] next winter = appropriate economic time
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Asa Jay Laughton <mailto:asajay at asajay.com>
>     *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com <mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>     *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
>     AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>
>     The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
>     The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
>     nnnnnnngh......
>     I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
>     rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
>     It's winter........
>     I'm not driving the car......
>     mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
>     Must.... resist.... temptation.
>
>     If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death
>     nell for the car and I can't have that.
>
>     must.... resist....
>
>     Asa Jay
>
>     Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>     &  Shelley Marie
>     Spokane, WA
>     ******************************
>     http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>     http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>     http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
>
>     On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote:
>>     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related
>>     <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related>
>>     just in case you've forgotten.
>>     Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
>>
>>
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From gndplne at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  3 16:02:59 2011
From: gndplne at yahoo.com (John Bentley)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 16:02:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Asa,

You gotta stop this!? Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!? Don't worry about the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and run the 100 MPH class.? Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it again. :)? My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way and if I waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack stands.


Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!


JB



________________________________
 From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
 

You're excellency,

There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for
    The Pope.? The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John
    Christian on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.? I have a
    refrigerator specifically designated for beer.? Although it's not
    normally stocked, it miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop
    cloth comes to stay.? And one of the natives has a "Hut" always well
    stocked with pizza.

I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.?
    It's an original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.?
    Yes.... the more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on
    breaking something, which I sometimes have angst about.... until I
    climb in, fire it up and drive away.? So on the one hand, I really
    should swap it, but on the other... how cool would it be to complete
    the SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the original numbers
    matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was made??
    ...?? WOW!

The Mach I could sit without an engine.? I haven't actually driven
    it in -over- a year.? It's really in a sad state of bodywork and
    paint.? But I just know if it sits for -long- without an engine....
    it will depress me even further as to it's non-driven state.? That
    engine is -not- numbers matching and I could pretty much put it
    anywhere I want without any angst.

The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting
    further forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.? It isn't
    a good candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time
    and has nearly 80K miles on it or so.? I have three others stored
    that I could use for new rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what
    condition they are in.... again, the Northwest PRI has no money for
    research at the moment.

If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it
    would most likely happen in January and would look something like
    this:

- Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
- Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
??? - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove
    radiator
??? - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
??? - Remove fan belts and fan
??? - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
    necessary)
??? - Remove alternator
??? - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
??? - Remove carb, tape over intake
??? - Remove distributor
??? - Unbolt headers at head
??? - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay
    Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
??? - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
??? - Put the engine on a stand
- Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
- Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
??? - Remove the decklid
??? - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or
    rebuilt radiator)
??? - Drain engine oil
??? - Drain ZF gear oil
??? - Unhook fuel line and cork
??? - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
??? - Unhook all wiring, set aside
??? - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
??? - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
??? - Remove A/C Condensor
??? - Unhook headers
??? - Unhook transmission linkage
??? - Unhook transmission wiring
??? - Unhook half-shafts
??? - Remove clutch slave, set aside
??? - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
- Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
??? - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
??? - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one
    (money)
??? - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are
    fine, otherwise.... more money)
- Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

But then.....
- I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.? The Carter
    AFB on there works, but not as optimally as it should.? The Holley
    from the Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the higher
    horsepower of the Mach I engine.? Do I rebuild and re-tune the
    Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
- I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the
    Pantera but I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine
    compartment to make it work.? Best to do that while the engine is
    out. (more money)
- If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber
    mounting doughnuts. (more money)
- If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling
    system, ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some
    creative work in the engine bay)
- Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being
    used.

So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.? But I get
    that darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in
    my bones and "practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower
    and coveted my neighbors ponies.

Asa Jay ?? 



& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?? Hot motor? (well, usable).
>?
>Swap them out!? If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor, use it for the dream rebuild? "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the mean time.? I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.? That way, if you dropped something big, you would have back up!? Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels, too.
>?
>Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 
>?
>Morally unemployed,
>David in Durango
>?
>?
>?
>[1] next winter = appropriate economic time
>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: Asa Jay Laughton 
>>To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
>>Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM
>>Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>>
>>
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>>
>>The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
>>The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the
        Pantera.....
>>nnnnnnngh......
>>I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
>>rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
>>It's winter........
>>I'm not driving the car......
>>mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
>>Must.... resist.... temptation.
>>
>>If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death
        nell for the car and I can't have that.
>>
>>must.... resist....
>>
>>Asa Jay
>>
>>Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>>On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
>> 
>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related
>>>?
>>>just in case you've forgotten.
>>>?
>>>Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
>>>
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>>>
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From cengles at cox.net  Sat Dec  3 17:31:32 2011
From: cengles at cox.net ( Charles Engles)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:31:32 -0600
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Dear Asa,

 

 

              Looking at your list, I would say that you're on the verge of
that slippery slope.   Given your constraints, since I suspect that you're
*gonna* slide, just try to pick the gentlest slope!

 

 

                                      Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

 

 

 

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Asa Jay Laughton
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 5:51 PM
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

 

You're excellency,

There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The
Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian on
their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a refrigerator specifically
designated for beer.  Although it's not normally stocked, it miraculously
fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay.  And one of the natives
has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.

I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an
original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the more
I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something, which I
sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and drive away.
So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the other... how cool
would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the
original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was
made?  ...   WOW!

The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in
-over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I
just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me
even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers
matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.

The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further
forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good
candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly
80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could use for new
rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again,
the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.

If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would
most likely happen in January and would look something like this:

- Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
- Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
    - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
    - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
    - Remove fan belts and fan
    - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
necessary)
    - Remove alternator
    - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
    - Remove carb, tape over intake
    - Remove distributor
    - Unbolt headers at head
    - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton,
MSgt, USAFR, Retired
    - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
    - Put the engine on a stand
- Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
- Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
    - Remove the decklid
    - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt
radiator)
    - Drain engine oil
    - Drain ZF gear oil
    - Unhook fuel line and cork
    - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
    - Unhook all wiring, set aside
    - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
    - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
    - Remove A/C Condensor
    - Unhook headers
    - Unhook transmission linkage
    - Unhook transmission wiring
    - Unhook half-shafts
    - Remove clutch slave, set aside
    - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
- Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
    - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
    - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
    - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine,
otherwise.... more money)
- Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

But then.....
- I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB on
there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the Pantera
would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach I
engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
- I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but
I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it
work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
- If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting
doughnuts. (more money)
- If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system, ala
John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in the
engine bay)
- Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.

So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get that
darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and
"practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and
coveted my neighbors ponies.

Asa Jay    





& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).

 

Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor,
use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the
mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a
place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped something
big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels,
too.

 

Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 

 

Morally unemployed,

David in Durango

 

 

 

[1] next winter = appropriate economic time

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Asa Jay Laughton <mailto:asajay at asajay.com>  

To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 

Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM

Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

 

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
nnnnnnngh......
I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
It's winter........
I'm not driving the car......
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
Must.... resist.... temptation.

If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the
car and I can't have that.

must.... resist....

Asa Jay



Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related>
&feature=related

 

just in case you've forgotten.

 

Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!

 
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From cengles at cox.net  Sat Dec  3 17:33:13 2011
From: cengles at cox.net ( Charles Engles)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:33:13 -0600
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
In-Reply-To: <1322956979.21609.YahooMailNeo@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>	<4EDA9041.1070108@asajay.com>	<62EB471FBC054D0D8FFF4316A4633B1B@ZTxp>	<4EDAB5E5.2090608@asajay.com>
	<1322956979.21609.YahooMailNeo@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001a01ccb224$b0ac4b30$1204e190$@net>

Dear Asa,

 

 

                      John email is filled with words of wisdom.    

 

 

                                                 Warmest regards,  Chuck
Engles

 

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of John Bentley
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
To: Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

 

Asa,

 

You gotta stop this!  Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched
engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!  Don't worry about
the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and
run the 100 MPH class.  Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it again.
:)  My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way and if I
waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack stands.

 

Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!

 

JB

 

  _____  

From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

You're excellency,

There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The
Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian on
their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a refrigerator specifically
designated for beer.  Although it's not normally stocked, it miraculously
fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay.  And one of the natives
has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.

I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an
original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the more
I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something, which I
sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and drive away.
So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the other... how cool
would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the
original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was
made?  ...   WOW!

The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in
-over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I
just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me
even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers
matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.

The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further
forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good
candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly
80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could use for new
rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again,
the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.

If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would
most likely happen in January and would look something like this:

- Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
- Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
    - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
    - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
    - Remove fan belts and fan
    - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
necessary)
    - Remove alternator
    - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
    - Remove carb, tape over intake
    - Remove distributor
    - Unbolt headers at head
    - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton,
MSgt, USAFR, Retired
    - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
    - Put the engine on a stand
- Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
- Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
    - Remove the decklid
    - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt
radiator)
    - Drain engine oil
    - Drain ZF gear oil
    - Unhook fuel line and cork
    - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
    - Unhook all wiring, set aside
    - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
    - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
    - Remove A/C Condensor
    - Unhook headers
    - Unhook transmission linkage
    - Unhook transmission wiring
    - Unhook half-shafts
    - Remove clutch slave, set aside
    - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
- Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
    - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
    - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
    - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine,
otherwise.... more money)
- Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

But then.....
- I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB on
there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the Pantera
would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach I
engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
- I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but
I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it
work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
- If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting
doughnuts. (more money)
- If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system, ala
John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in the
engine bay)
- Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.

So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get that
darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and
"practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and
coveted my neighbors ponies.

Asa Jay    



& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).

 

Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor,
use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the
mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a
place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped something
big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels,
too.

 

Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 

 

Morally unemployed,

David in Durango

 

 

 

[1] next winter = appropriate economic time

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Asa Jay Laughton <mailto:asajay at asajay.com>  

To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 

Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM

Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

 

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
nnnnnnngh......
I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
It's winter........
I'm not driving the car......
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
Must.... resist.... temptation.

If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the
car and I can't have that.

must.... resist....

Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related

 

just in case you've forgotten.

 

Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!

 
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From cengles at cox.net  Sat Dec  3 17:35:46 2011
From: cengles at cox.net ( Charles Engles)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:35:46 -0600
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
In-Reply-To: <001a01ccb224$b0ac4b30$1204e190$@net>
References: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>	<4EDA9041.1070108@asajay.com>	<62EB471FBC054D0D8FFF4316A4633B1B@ZTxp>	<4EDAB5E5.2090608@asajay.com>	<1322956979.21609.YahooMailNeo@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<001a01ccb224$b0ac4b30$1204e190$@net>
Message-ID: <002b01ccb225$0ba9e740$22fdb5c0$@net>

Dear Asa,


                 Ahem.  That should read:   John's email is filled with
words of wisdom.   


                                          My bad,  Chuck Engles

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Charles Engles
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
To: 'John Bentley'; 'Asa Jay Laughton'; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

Dear Asa,


                      John email is filled with words of wisdom.    


                                                 Warmest regards,  Chuck
Engles

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of John Bentley
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
To: Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

Asa,

You gotta stop this!  Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched
engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!  Don't worry about
the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and
run the 100 MPH class.  Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it again.
:)  My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way and if I
waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack stands.

Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!

JB


From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
You're excellency,

There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The
Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian on
their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a refrigerator specifically
designated for beer.  Although it's not normally stocked, it miraculously
fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay.  And one of the natives
has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.

I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an
original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the more
I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something, which I
sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and drive away.
So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the other... how cool
would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the
original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was
made?  ...   WOW!

The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in
-over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I
just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me
even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers
matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.

The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further
forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good
candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly
80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could use for new
rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again,
the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.

If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would
most likely happen in January and would look something like this:

- Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
- Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
    - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
    - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
    - Remove fan belts and fan
    - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
necessary)
    - Remove alternator
    - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
    - Remove carb, tape over intake
    - Remove distributor
    - Unbolt headers at head
    - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton,
MSgt, USAFR, Retired
    - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
    - Put the engine on a stand
- Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
- Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
    - Remove the decklid
    - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt
radiator)
    - Drain engine oil
    - Drain ZF gear oil
    - Unhook fuel line and cork
    - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
    - Unhook all wiring, set aside
    - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
    - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
    - Remove A/C Condensor
    - Unhook headers
    - Unhook transmission linkage
    - Unhook transmission wiring
    - Unhook half-shafts
    - Remove clutch slave, set aside
    - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
- Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
    - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
    - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
    - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine,
otherwise.... more money)
- Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

But then.....
- I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB on
there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the Pantera
would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach I
engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
- I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but
I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it
work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
- If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting
doughnuts. (more money)
- If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system, ala
John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in the
engine bay)
- Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.

So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get that
darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and
"practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and
coveted my neighbors ponies.

Asa Jay    
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism

On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).
 
Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor,
use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the
mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a
place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped something
big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels,
too.
 
Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 
 
Morally unemployed,
David in Durango
 
 
 
[1] next winter = appropriate economic time
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Asa Jay Laughton <mailto:asajay at asajay.com>  
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
nnnnnnngh......
I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
It's winter........
I'm not driving the car......
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
Must.... resist.... temptation.

If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the
car and I can't have that.

must.... resist....

Asa Jay
Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
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On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related
 
just in case you've forgotten.
 
Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!

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From asajay at asajay.com  Sat Dec  3 17:52:11 2011
From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 17:52:11 -0800
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Well the fact is there is nothing -wrong- with the stock engine -in- the 
Pantera right now.  Except for doomsayer's like John (no offense 
intended) who keep a tinge of doubt in my mind, I have no qualms about 
running this engine at 100 MPH for 90 miles.  It needs nothing right now 
other than an oil and filter change, well and maybe a new radiator (or 
rebuilt, I'm working on that).

Granted, running it between WOT and full Brakes on the local track for 
20 minutes at a shot, or brutalizing it on an autocross course isn't the 
same.  Might it not survive 100 MPH for 90 miles?  Maybe.

Two years ago I replaced all the valve stem keepers and valve stem 
seals.  I've tuned it for no-knock on 92 Octane pump gas (of course it's 
a '73 de-tuned engine anyway.)  It has a full-roller timing set (after 
the stock set went south).  Okay, so it's not strictly stock, like Brock 
Tella stock, okay?

No worries though, I'm not about to spend a brazilian dollars on new 
parts for a new rebuild.  That comes secondary.  What the angst is about 
is whether to buy in to the idea the stock engine might grenade on 
course and instead run the engine I've built for the Mach I.  Details on 
that engine build are here:
http://www.asajay.com/351rebuild/351rebuild.htm

It's been running in the Mach I since 2001, just not been driven a whole 
lot.

<sigh>  I just need new shocks/springs, a new radiator, wheels and 
tires, an oil and filter change and I'll be ready.  But I'll also listen 
to other advice.  What other reasons are there that my engine as it is 
might not make it 90 miles at 100 MPH?

Asa Jay


Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
&  Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
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On 12/3/2011 5:35 PM,  Charles Engles wrote:
>
> Dear Asa,
>
>
>                  Ahem.  That should read: *John**'**s*email is filled 
> with words of wisdom.
>
>                                           My bad,  Chuck Engles
>
> *From:*tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com 
> [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com]*On Behalf Of*Charles Engles
> *Sent:*Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
> *To:*'John Bentley'; 'Asa Jay Laughton'; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Subject:*Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
> Dear Asa,
>
>                       John email is filled with words of wisdom.
>
>
>                                                  Warmest regards,  
> Chuck Engles
>
> *From:*tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com 
> [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com]*On Behalf Of*John Bentley
> *Sent:*Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
> *To:*Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Subject:*Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
> Asa,
>
> You gotta stop this!  Don't run Silver State with an original 
> un-touched engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!  
> Don't worry about the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and 
> just get it running and run the 100 MPH class.  Take smaller steps or 
> you will NEVER drive it again. :)  My garage is filled with parts I 
> have collected along the way and if I waited until they were all 
> installed it would never leave the jack stands.
>
> Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!
>
> JB
>
> *From:*Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> *To:*tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Sent:*Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
> *Subject:*Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
> You're excellency,
>
> There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for 
> The Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John 
> Christian on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a 
> refrigerator specifically designated for beer.  Although it's not 
> normally stocked, it miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop 
> cloth comes to stay.  And one of the natives has a "Hut" always well 
> stocked with pizza.
>
> I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's 
> an original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... 
> the more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking 
> something, which I sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, 
> fire it up and drive away.  So on the one hand, I really should swap 
> it, but on the other... how cool would it be to complete the SSCC in a 
> triple digit speed class, with the original numbers matching engine, 
> never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was made?  ...   WOW!
>
> The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it 
> in -over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  
> But I just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will 
> depress me even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is 
> -not- numbers matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want 
> without any angst.
>
> The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further 
> forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good 
> candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has 
> nearly 80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could 
> use for new rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they 
> are in.... again, the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the 
> moment.
>
> If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it 
> would most likely happen in January and would look something like this:
>
> - Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
> - Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
>     - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
>     - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
>     - Remove fan belts and fan
>     - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if 
> necessary)
>     - Remove alternator
>     - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
>     - Remove carb, tape over intake
>     - Remove distributor
>     - Unbolt headers at head
>     - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay 
> Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>     - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
>     - Put the engine on a stand
> - Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
> - Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
>     - Remove the decklid
>     - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or 
> rebuilt radiator)
>     - Drain engine oil
>     - Drain ZF gear oil
>     - Unhook fuel line and cork
>     - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
>     - Unhook all wiring, set aside
>     - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
>     - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
>     - Remove A/C Condensor
>     - Unhook headers
>     - Unhook transmission linkage
>     - Unhook transmission wiring
>     - Unhook half-shafts
>     - Remove clutch slave, set aside
>     - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
> - Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
>     - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
>     - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
>     - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine, 
> otherwise.... more money)
> - Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)
>
> But then.....
> - I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter 
> AFB on there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley 
> from the Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the higher 
> horsepower of the Mach I engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter 
> or do I re-jet the Holley?
> - I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera 
> but I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to 
> make it work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
> - If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting 
> doughnuts. (more money)
> - If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling 
> system, ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some 
> creative work in the engine bay)
> - Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.
>
> So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get 
> that darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my 
> bones and "practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.
>
> Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower 
> and coveted my neighbors ponies.
>
> Asa Jay
>
> & Shelley Marie
>
> Spokane, WA
>
> ******************************
>
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
>
> On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote:
>
> So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).
>
> Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera 
> motor, use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some 
> fun in the mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 
> days if he had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if 
> you dropped something big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might 
> even deliver your new wheels, too.
>
> Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . .
>
> Morally unemployed,
>
> David in Durango
>
> [1] next winter = appropriate economic time
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:*_Asa Jay Laughton_<mailto:asajay at asajay.com>
>
> *To:*_tpr at teampanteraracing.com_<mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>
> *Sent:*Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM
>
> *Subject:*Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>
> The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
> The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
> nnnnnnngh......
> I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
> rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
> It's winter........
> I'm not driving the car......
> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
> Must.... resist.... temptation.
>
> If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell 
> for the car and I can't have that.
>
> must.... resist....
>
> Asa Jay
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>
> & Shelley Marie
>
> Spokane, WA
>
> ******************************
>
> _http://www.racingagainstautism.com_
>
> _http://www.teampanteraracing.com_
>
> _http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism_
>
>
> On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related 
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related>
>
> just in case you've forgotten.
>
> Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
>
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From adin at frontier.net  Sat Dec  3 17:53:19 2011
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 18:53:19 -0700
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Young AJ,
Have to side w/ JB - scattering a motor at the event is probably no fun AND added expense.
Also, Chuck is right - choose your slope to match your SWMBO [1] and budget.

The $$$ thing that must be done is the clutch.  We have jets for the holley . . .   As I remember you do NEED the wheels/tires for the event, correct?  (Don't let the wheel cost keep you home. I'm sure the Pope could be encouraged to cut you some slack if needed.)  Seems like the other stuff could be added as funds become available.

Unless some of the museum pieces sell, I'll just be decorating the neighborhood for a while.  It sure would be nice to get the yellow car (Pantera) back in action . . . . .

Sleep on it. (here's a lullaby for you) mwahahahahaMWAHAHAHAHHAhem.
http://www.youtube.com/user/IckyOldMan#p/a/u/0/rsGxgysQxSM

I understand your angst (is that a word?), I often have suffer some sort of parallel sexual excitement when I hear a good motor or the Summit catalog arrives . . . . 

All the best to you and yours,

David




[1] She Who Must Be Obeyed
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Asa Jay Laughton 
  To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 4:51 PM
  Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .


  You're excellency,

  There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a refrigerator specifically designated for beer.  Although it's not normally stocked, it miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay.  And one of the natives has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.

  I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something, which I sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and drive away.  So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the other... how cool would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was made?  ...   WOW!

  The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in -over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.

  The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly 80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could use for new rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again, the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.

  If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would most likely happen in January and would look something like this:

  - Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
  - Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
      - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
      - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
      - Remove fan belts and fan
      - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if necessary)
      - Remove alternator
      - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
      - Remove carb, tape over intake
      - Remove distributor
      - Unbolt headers at head
      - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
      - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
      - Put the engine on a stand
  - Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
  - Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
      - Remove the decklid
      - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt radiator)
      - Drain engine oil
      - Drain ZF gear oil
      - Unhook fuel line and cork
      - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
      - Unhook all wiring, set aside
      - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
      - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
      - Remove A/C Condensor
      - Unhook headers
      - Unhook transmission linkage
      - Unhook transmission wiring
      - Unhook half-shafts
      - Remove clutch slave, set aside
      - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
  - Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
      - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
      - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
      - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine, otherwise.... more money)
  - Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

  But then.....
  - I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB on there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach I engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
  - I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
  - If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting doughnuts. (more money)
  - If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system, ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in the engine bay)
  - Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.

  So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get that darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and "practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

  Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and coveted my neighbors ponies.

  Asa Jay    



& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
  On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
    So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).

    Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor, use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped something big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels, too.

    Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 

    Morally unemployed,
    David in Durango



    [1] next winter = appropriate economic time
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Asa Jay Laughton 
      To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
      Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM
      Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .


      AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

      The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
      The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
      nnnnnnngh......
      I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
      rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
      It's winter........
      I'm not driving the car......
      mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
      Must.... resist.... temptation.

      If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the car and I can't have that.

      must.... resist....

      Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
      On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related

        just in case you've forgotten.

        Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!

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From adin at frontier.net  Sat Dec  3 18:05:58 2011
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:05:58 -0700
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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RE: [TPR] What we are about . . . .Oooh . . .IKNOWIKNOWIKNOW.

Let me try: two piece valves for $1000, Alex.

those old stock two-piece valves are a time bomb, as I understand it.

5/17 - 5/20 in Ely?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Asa Jay Laughton 
  To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .


  Well the fact is there is nothing -wrong- with the stock engine -in- the Pantera right now.  Except for doomsayer's like John (no offense intended) who keep a tinge of doubt in my mind, I have no qualms about running this engine at 100 MPH for 90 miles.  It needs nothing right now other than an oil and filter change, well and maybe a new radiator (or rebuilt, I'm working on that).

  Granted, running it between WOT and full Brakes on the local track for 20 minutes at a shot, or brutalizing it on an autocross course isn't the same.  Might it not survive 100 MPH for 90 miles?  Maybe.

  Two years ago I replaced all the valve stem keepers and valve stem seals.  I've tuned it for no-knock on 92 Octane pump gas (of course it's a '73 de-tuned engine anyway.)  It has a full-roller timing set (after the stock set went south).  Okay, so it's not strictly stock, like Brock Tella stock, okay?

  No worries though, I'm not about to spend a brazilian dollars on new parts for a new rebuild.  That comes secondary.  What the angst is about is whether to buy in to the idea the stock engine might grenade on course and instead run the engine I've built for the Mach I.  Details on that engine build are here:
  http://www.asajay.com/351rebuild/351rebuild.htm

  It's been running in the Mach I since 2001, just not been driven a whole lot.

  <sigh>  I just need new shocks/springs, a new radiator, wheels and tires, an oil and filter change and I'll be ready.  But I'll also listen to other advice.  What other reasons are there that my engine as it is might not make it 90 miles at 100 MPH?

  Asa Jay



Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
  On 12/3/2011 5:35 PM,  Charles Engles wrote: 
    Dear Asa,



                     Ahem.  That should read:   John's email is filled with words of wisdom.   


                                              My bad,  Chuck Engles


    From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Charles Engles
    Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
    To: 'John Bentley'; 'Asa Jay Laughton'; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
    Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .


    Dear Asa,


                          John email is filled with words of wisdom.    



                                                     Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

    From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of John Bentley
    Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
    To: Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
    Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .


    Asa,


    You gotta stop this!  Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!  Don't worry about the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and run the 100 MPH class.  Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it again. :)  My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way and if I waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack stands.


    Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!


    JB



    From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
    To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
    Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
    Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

    You're excellency,

    There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a refrigerator specifically designated for beer.  Although it's not normally stocked, it miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay.  And one of the natives has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.

    I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something, which I sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and drive away.  So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the other... how cool would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was made?  ...   WOW!

    The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in -over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.

    The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly 80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could use for new rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again, the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.

    If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would most likely happen in January and would look something like this:

    - Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
    - Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
        - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
        - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
        - Remove fan belts and fan
        - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if necessary)
        - Remove alternator
        - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
        - Remove carb, tape over intake
        - Remove distributor
        - Unbolt headers at head
        - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
        - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
        - Put the engine on a stand
    - Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
    - Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
        - Remove the decklid
        - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt radiator)
        - Drain engine oil
        - Drain ZF gear oil
        - Unhook fuel line and cork
        - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
        - Unhook all wiring, set aside
        - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
        - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
        - Remove A/C Condensor
        - Unhook headers
        - Unhook transmission linkage
        - Unhook transmission wiring
        - Unhook half-shafts
        - Remove clutch slave, set aside
        - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
    - Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
        - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
        - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
        - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine, otherwise.... more money)
    - Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

    But then.....
    - I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB on there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach I engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
    - I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
    - If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting doughnuts. (more money)
    - If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system, ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in the engine bay)
    - Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.

    So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get that darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and "practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

    Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and coveted my neighbors ponies.

    Asa Jay    

    & Shelley Marie

    Spokane, WA

    ******************************     

    http://www.racingagainstautism.com

    http://www.teampanteraracing.com

    http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


    On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

    So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).



    Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor, use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped something big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels, too.



    Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 



    Morally unemployed,

    David in Durango







    [1] next winter = appropriate economic time

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: Asa Jay Laughton 

    To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 

    Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM

    Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .


    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

    The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
    The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
    nnnnnnngh......
    I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
    rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
    It's winter........
    I'm not driving the car......
    mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
    Must.... resist.... temptation.

    If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the car and I can't have that.

    must.... resist....

    Asa Jay

    Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired

    & Shelley Marie

    Spokane, WA

    ******************************     

    http://www.racingagainstautism.com

    http://www.teampanteraracing.com

    http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


    On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related



    just in case you've forgotten.



    Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!


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From gndplne at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  3 20:50:15 2011
From: gndplne at yahoo.com (John Bentley)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 20:50:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Asa,

There is a difference between doomsdayer's and experience.

The single-grove keepers on the stock valves and the 2-piece construction of the valves are both time-bombs. (IMHO)? I doubt I would take a chance running an engine I really wanted to keep under those conditions in a long, high RPM event like SSCC.? If you want to see what happens when a stock valve let's go, I can $end you $ome picture$ or $hip you $ome part$.


If you want to run an old engine that's fine, but I would just pull the heads and replace the valves with some Manley stainless (and of course do a basic grind), and put all the rockers/springs/pushrods back where they came from and run the event.? Of course you'll have to pay attention to stuff like installed height and pushrod geometry, but any basic shop can help you with those things.?For around $500, you can be good to go.? And, its easy to do with the engine block/trans in the car.

We all want to see you run the event, so let us know what we can do to help.? Its TEAM Pantera Racing! :)


JB




________________________________
 From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
 

Well the fact is there is nothing -wrong- with the stock engine -in- the Pantera right now.? Except for doomsayer's like John (no offense intended) who keep a tinge of doubt in my mind, I have no qualms about running this engine at 100 MPH for 90 miles.? It needs nothing right now other than an oil and filter change, well and maybe a new radiator (or rebuilt, I'm working on that).

Granted, running it between WOT and full Brakes on the local track
    for 20 minutes at a shot, or brutalizing it on an autocross course
    isn't the same.? Might it not survive 100 MPH for 90 miles?? Maybe.

Two years ago I replaced all the valve stem keepers and valve stem
    seals.? I've tuned it for no-knock on 92 Octane pump gas (of course
    it's a '73 de-tuned engine anyway.)? It has a full-roller timing set
    (after the stock set went south).? Okay, so it's not strictly stock,
    like Brock Tella stock, okay?

No worries though, I'm not about to spend a brazilian dollars on new
    parts for a new rebuild.? That comes secondary.? What the angst is
    about is whether to buy in to the idea the stock engine might
    grenade on course and instead run the engine I've built for the Mach
    I.? Details on that engine build are here:
http://www.asajay.com/351rebuild/351rebuild.htm

It's been running in the Mach I since 2001, just not been driven a
    whole lot.

<sigh>? I just need new shocks/springs, a new radiator, wheels
    and tires, an oil and filter change and I'll be ready.? But I'll
    also listen to other advice.? What other reasons are there that my
    engine as it is might not make it 90 miles at 100 MPH?

Asa Jay



Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
On 12/3/2011 5:35 PM,? Charles Engles wrote: 
RE: [TPR] What we are about . . . . 
>Dear Asa,
>
>???????????????? Ahem.? That should read:??John?semail is filled with words of wisdom.?? 
>????????????????????????????????????????? My bad,? Chuck Engles
>From:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com]On Behalf OfCharles Engles
>Sent:Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
>To:'John Bentley'; 'Asa Jay Laughton'; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>Subject:Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>Dear Asa,
>????????????????????? John email is filled with words of wisdom. ???
>
>???????????????????????????????????????????????? Warmest regards,? Chuck Engles
>From:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com]On Behalf OfJohn Bentley
>Sent:Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
>To:Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>Subject:Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>Asa,
>You gotta stop this!? Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!? Don't worry about the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and run the 100 MPH class.? Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it again. :)? My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way and if I waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack stands.
>Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!
>JB
>From:Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
>To:tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>Sent:Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
>Subject:Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>You're excellency,
>
>There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research
            Institute for The Pope.? The last transients to stay here
            were Mike Drew and John Christian on their way to the Rocky
            Mountain Tour.? I have a refrigerator specifically
            designated for beer.? Although it's not normally stocked, it
            miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to
            stay.? And one of the natives has a "Hut" always well
            stocked with pizza.
>
>I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the
            Pantera.? It's an original numbers matching, never been
            rebuilt, still runs.? Yes.... the more I drive it -hard-,
            the more I take a chance on breaking something, which I
            sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up
            and drive away.? So on the one hand, I really should swap
            it, but on the other... how cool would it be to complete the
            SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the original
            numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after
            it was made?? ...?? WOW!
>
>The Mach I could sit without an engine.? I haven't actually
            driven it in -over- a year.? It's really in a sad state of
            bodywork and paint.? But I just know if it sits for -long-
            without an engine.... it will depress me even further as to
            it's non-driven state.? That engine is -not- numbers
            matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want
            without any angst.
>
>The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still
            waiting further forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this
            winter.? It isn't a good candidate for a rebuild; it was
            bored .030" over last time and has nearly 80K miles on it or
            so.? I have three others stored that I could use for new
            rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are
            in.... again, the Northwest PRI has no money for research at
            the moment.
>
>If the angels granted this kind of project could be
            undertaken, it would most likely happen in January and would
            look something like this:
>
>- Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
>- Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a
            day)
>??? - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses,
            remove radiator
>??? - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
>??? - Remove fan belts and fan
>??? - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook
            hoses if necessary)
>??? - Remove alternator
>??? - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
>??? - Remove carb, tape over intake
>??? - Remove distributor
>??? - Unbolt headers at head
>??? - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa
            Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>??? - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
>??? - Put the engine on a stand
>- Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
>- Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a
            day)
>??? - Remove the decklid
>??? - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs
            new or rebuilt radiator)
>??? - Drain engine oil
>??? - Drain ZF gear oil
>??? - Unhook fuel line and cork
>??? - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
>??? - Unhook all wiring, set aside
>??? - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
>??? - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
>??? - Remove A/C Condensor
>??? - Unhook headers
>??? - Unhook transmission linkage
>??? - Unhook transmission wiring
>??? - Unhook half-shafts
>??? - Remove clutch slave, set aside
>??? - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
>- Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
>??? - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
>??? - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't
            have one (money)
>??? - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they
            are fine, otherwise.... more money)
>- Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)
>
>But then.....
>- I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.? The
            Carter AFB on there works, but not as optimally as it
            should.? The Holley from the Pantera would work, but it's
            not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach I engine.? Do
            I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
>- I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in
            the Pantera but I'd need to wire up a computer box in the
            engine compartment to make it work.? Best to do that while
            the engine is out. (more money)
>- If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the
            rubber mounting doughnuts. (more money)
>- If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the
            cooling system, ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more
            money and some creative work in the engine bay)
>- Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they
            aren't being used.
>
>So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.?
            But I get that darn thundering clapping sound from a good
            strong V8 engine in my bones and "practicality" begins to
            get awfully transparent.
>
>Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more
            horsepower and coveted my neighbors ponies.
>
>Asa Jay ?? 
>& Shelley Marie
>Spokane, WA
>******************************???? 
>http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
>On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
>So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?? Hot motor? (well, usable).
>?
>Swap them out!? If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor, use it for the dream rebuild? "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the mean time.? I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.? That way, if you dropped something big, you would have back up!? Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels, too.
>?
>Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 
>?
>Morally unemployed,
>David in Durango
>?
>?
>?
>[1] next winter = appropriate economic time
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From:Asa Jay Laughton
>To:tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>Sent:Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM
>Subject:Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>
>The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
>The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the
            Pantera.....
>nnnnnnngh......
>I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
>rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
>It's winter........
>I'm not driving the car......
>mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
>Must.... resist.... temptation.
>
>If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the
            death nell for the car and I can't have that.
>
>must.... resist....
>
>Asa Jay
>Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>& Shelley Marie
>Spokane, WA
>******************************???? 
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From bob at radefeld.com  Sun Dec  4 06:01:36 2011
From: bob at radefeld.com (bob Radefeld)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 08:01:36 -0600
Subject: [TPR] What we are about
Message-ID: <CA+4z8QC7bxFKtFpiyzc6=MoAr0uZnkFd3BSVFVnjZpFgR_BZvg@mail.gmail.com>

Asa,

IMHO, JB's advice would be the least expensive & most reassuring way to
race & still keep the original block in your car. Had I known when I bought
my car that it still had two piece valves in it I would have changed them
out in a heartbeat! Sadly, I had to find out the hard way at a local track
event but was very lucky to not do enough damage to ruin my original
block......WHEW!! Please consider this alternative very carefully & GOOD
Luck..........


Bob (been there, done that!)
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From cengles at cox.net  Sun Dec  4 07:06:37 2011
From: cengles at cox.net ( Charles Engles)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 09:06:37 -0600
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Dear Mr. Not Completely Stock Engine Owner,

 

 

 

                  My biggest concern was with the lousy plastic timing gear
and you've taken care of that.  I had forgotten about the two piece valves.
I think the best and most unpleasant comments on that are from JB and
Rowdy.   To paraphrase one of my favorite quotes for this situation: "As
long as nothing happens to the engine, there's no danger."

 

                   Perhaps for the least financial cost, the Mustang engine
transplant might the best deal.  You said that the biggest dollar cost would
be adjusting or rebuilding the carb for it's new situation in the Pantera.
You could put the Pantera engine on a stand and then....put the Mustang on
the proverbial back burner of "when I get 'round tuit" and/or begin another
engine build from those three re-builders you have for a Mustang powerplant.

 

 

                                     Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

 

 

 

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Asa Jay Laughton
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:52 PM
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

 

Well the fact is there is nothing -wrong- with the stock engine -in- the
Pantera right now.  Except for doomsayer's like John (no offense intended)
who keep a tinge of doubt in my mind, I have no qualms about running this
engine at 100 MPH for 90 miles.  It needs nothing right now other than an
oil and filter change, well and maybe a new radiator (or rebuilt, I'm
working on that).

Granted, running it between WOT and full Brakes on the local track for 20
minutes at a shot, or brutalizing it on an autocross course isn't the same.
Might it not survive 100 MPH for 90 miles?  Maybe.

Two years ago I replaced all the valve stem keepers and valve stem seals.
I've tuned it for no-knock on 92 Octane pump gas (of course it's a '73
de-tuned engine anyway.)  It has a full-roller timing set (after the stock
set went south).  Okay, so it's not strictly stock, like Brock Tella stock,
okay?

No worries though, I'm not about to spend a brazilian dollars on new parts
for a new rebuild.  That comes secondary.  What the angst is about is
whether to buy in to the idea the stock engine might grenade on course and
instead run the engine I've built for the Mach I.  Details on that engine
build are here:
http://www.asajay.com/351rebuild/351rebuild.htm

It's been running in the Mach I since 2001, just not been driven a whole
lot.

<sigh>  I just need new shocks/springs, a new radiator, wheels and tires, an
oil and filter change and I'll be ready.  But I'll also listen to other
advice.  What other reasons are there that my engine as it is might not make
it 90 miles at 100 MPH?

Asa Jay





Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
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On 12/3/2011 5:35 PM,  Charles Engles wrote: 

Dear Asa,

 

                 Ahem.  That should read:   John's email is filled with
words of wisdom.   

                                          My bad,  Chuck Engles

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Charles Engles
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
To: 'John Bentley'; 'Asa Jay Laughton'; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

Dear Asa,

                      John email is filled with words of wisdom.    

 

                                                 Warmest regards,  Chuck
Engles

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of John Bentley
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
To: Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

Asa,

You gotta stop this!  Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched
engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!  Don't worry about
the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and
run the 100 MPH class.  Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it again.
:)  My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way and if I
waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack stands.

Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!

JB

From: Asa Jay Laughton  <mailto:asajay at asajay.com> <asajay at asajay.com>
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

You're excellency,

There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The
Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian on
their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a refrigerator specifically
designated for beer.  Although it's not normally stocked, it miraculously
fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay.  And one of the natives
has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.

I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an
original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the more
I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something, which I
sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and drive away.
So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the other... how cool
would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the
original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was
made?  ...   WOW!

The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in
-over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I
just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me
even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers
matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.

The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further
forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good
candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly
80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could use for new
rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again,
the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.

If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would
most likely happen in January and would look something like this:

- Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
- Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
    - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
    - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
    - Remove fan belts and fan
    - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
necessary)
    - Remove alternator
    - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
    - Remove carb, tape over intake
    - Remove distributor
    - Unbolt headers at head
    - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton,
MSgt, USAFR, Retired
    - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
    - Put the engine on a stand
- Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
- Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
    - Remove the decklid
    - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt
radiator)
    - Drain engine oil
    - Drain ZF gear oil
    - Unhook fuel line and cork
    - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
    - Unhook all wiring, set aside
    - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
    - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
    - Remove A/C Condensor
    - Unhook headers
    - Unhook transmission linkage
    - Unhook transmission wiring
    - Unhook half-shafts
    - Remove clutch slave, set aside
    - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
- Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
    - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
    - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
    - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine,
otherwise.... more money)
- Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

But then.....
- I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB on
there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the Pantera
would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach I
engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
- I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but
I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it
work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
- If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting
doughnuts. (more money)
- If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system, ala
John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in the
engine bay)
- Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.

So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get that
darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and
"practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and
coveted my neighbors ponies.

Asa Jay    

& Shelley Marie

Spokane, WA

******************************     

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On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).

 

Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor,
use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the
mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a
place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped something
big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels,
too.

 

Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 

 

Morally unemployed,

David in Durango

 

 

 

[1] next winter = appropriate economic time

----- Original Message ----- 

From:  <mailto:asajay at asajay.com> Asa Jay Laughton 

To:  <mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com> tpr at teampanteraracing.com 

Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM

Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
nnnnnnngh......
I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
It's winter........
I'm not driving the car......
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
Must.... resist.... temptation.

If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the
car and I can't have that.

must.... resist....

Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired

& Shelley Marie

Spokane, WA

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<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related>
&feature=related

 

just in case you've forgotten.

 

Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!

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From bob at radefeld.com  Sun Dec  4 08:13:32 2011
From: bob at radefeld.com (bob Radefeld)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 10:13:32 -0600
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Dear Chuck,

Weren't you one of the folks with advice regarding the "slippery slope"
syndrome that so easily occurs when one pulls his engine? That certainly
applied to me when my engine came out of my car & I've got a hunch it could
very easily infect Asa if he swaps engines. If he can somehow "immunize"
himself against this happening then YES, I would agree that swapping
engines might allow for a smaller outlay of $$ for him. Personally,
however, I would pull only the heads & be more assured that my chances of
sliding were minimized to the max.........FWIW.


Bob




On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:

>  Dear Mr. Not Completely Stock Engine Owner,****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
>                   My biggest concern was with the lousy plastic timing
> gear and you?ve taken care of that.  I had forgotten about the two piece
> valves.  I think the best and most unpleasant comments on that are from JB
> and  Rowdy.   To paraphrase one of my favorite quotes for this situation:
> ?As long as nothing happens to the engine, there?s no danger.?****
>
> ** **
>
>                    Perhaps for the least financial cost, the Mustang
> engine transplant might the best deal.  You said that the biggest dollar
> cost would be adjusting or rebuilding the carb for it?s new situation in
> the Pantera.   You could put the Pantera engine on a stand and then??..put
> the Mustang on the proverbial back burner of ?when I get ?round tuit?
> and/or begin another engine build from those three re-builders you have for
> a Mustang powerplant.****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
>                                      Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Fr*om:* tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [mailto:
> tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] *On Behalf Of *Asa Jay Laughton
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:52 PM
> *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
>   ** **
>
> Well the fact is there is nothing -wrong- with the stock engine -in- the
> Pantera right now.  Except for doomsayer's like John (no offense intended)
> who keep a tinge of doubt in my mind, I have no qualms about running this
> engine at 100 MPH for 90 miles.  It needs nothing right now other than an
> oil and filter change, well and maybe a new radiator (or rebuilt, I'm
> working on that).
>
> Granted, running it between WOT and full Brakes on the local track for 20
> minutes at a shot, or brutalizing it on an autocross course isn't the
> same.  Might it not survive 100 MPH for 90 miles?  Maybe.
>
> Two years ago I replaced all the valve stem keepers and valve stem seals.
> I've tuned it for no-knock on 92 Octane pump gas (of course it's a '73
> de-tuned engine anyway.)  It has a full-roller timing set (after the stock
> set went south).  Okay, so it's not strictly stock, like Brock Tella stock,
> okay?
>
> No worries though, I'm not about to spend a brazilian dollars on new parts
> for a new rebuild.  That comes secondary.  What the angst is about is
> whether to buy in to the idea the stock engine might grenade on course and
> instead run the engine I've built for the Mach I.  Details on that engine
> build are here:
> http://www.asajay.com/351rebuild/351rebuild.htm
>
> It's been running in the Mach I since 2001, just not been driven a whole
> lot.
>
> <sigh>  I just need new shocks/springs, a new radiator, wheels and tires,
> an oil and filter change and I'll be ready.  But I'll also listen to other
> advice.  What other reasons are there that my engine as it is might not
> make it 90 miles at 100 MPH?
>
> Asa Jay
>
>
>
> ****
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired****
>
> & Shelley Marie****
>
> Spokane, WA****
>
> ******************************     ****
>
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com****
>
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com****
>
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism****
>
>
> On 12/3/2011 5:35 PM,  Charles Engles wrote: ****
>
> Dear Asa,****
>
> ** **
>
>                  Ahem.  That should read:  * **John?s* email is filled
> with words of wisdom.   ****
>
>                                           My bad,  Chuck Engles****
>
> *From:* tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [
> mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com<tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com>
> ]* **On Behalf Of* Charles Engles
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
> *To:* 'John Bentley'; 'Asa Jay Laughton'; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
> Dear Asa,****
>
>                       John email is filled with words of wisdom.    ****
>
> ** **
>
>                                                  Warmest regards,  Chuck
> Engles****
>
> *From:* tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [
> mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com<tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com>
> ]* **On Behalf Of* John Bentley
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
> *To:* Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
> Asa,****
>
> You gotta stop this!  Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched
> engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!  Don't worry about
> the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and
> run the 100 MPH class.  Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it
> again. :)  My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way
> and if I waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack
> stands.****
>
> Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!*
> ***
>
> JB****
>
> *From:* Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> <asajay at asajay.com>
> *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
> You're excellency,
>
> There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The
> Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian
> on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a refrigerator
> specifically designated for beer.  Although it's not normally stocked, it
> miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay.  And one
> of the natives has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.
>
> I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an
> original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the
> more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something,
> which I sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and
> drive away.  So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the
> other... how cool would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed
> class, with the original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40
> years after it was made?  ...   WOW!
>
> The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in
> -over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I
> just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me
> even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers
> matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.
>
> The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further
> forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good
> candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly
> 80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could use for new
> rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again,
> the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.
>
> If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would
> most likely happen in January and would look something like this:
>
> - Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
> - Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
>     - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
>     - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
>     - Remove fan belts and fan
>     - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
> necessary)
>     - Remove alternator
>     - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
>     - Remove carb, tape over intake
>     - Remove distributor
>     - Unbolt headers at head
>     - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton,
> MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>     - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
>     - Put the engine on a stand
> - Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
> - Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
>     - Remove the decklid
>     - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt
> radiator)
>     - Drain engine oil
>     - Drain ZF gear oil
>     - Unhook fuel line and cork
>     - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
>     - Unhook all wiring, set aside
>     - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
>     - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
>     - Remove A/C Condensor
>     - Unhook headers
>     - Unhook transmission linkage
>     - Unhook transmission wiring
>     - Unhook half-shafts
>     - Remove clutch slave, set aside
>     - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
> - Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
>     - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
>     - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
>     - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine,
> otherwise.... more money)
> - Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)
>
> But then.....
> - I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB on
> there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the
> Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach
> I engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
> - I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but
> I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it
> work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
> - If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting
> doughnuts. (more money)
> - If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system,
> ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in
> the engine bay)
> - Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.
>
> So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get that
> darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and
> "practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.
>
> Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and
> coveted my neighbors ponies.
>
> Asa Jay    ****
>
> & Shelley Marie****
>
> Spokane, WA****
>
> ******************************     ****
>
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>
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>
> On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: ****
>
> So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).****
>
>  ****
>
> Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera
> motor, use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in
> the mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he
> had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped
> something big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your
> new wheels, too.****
>
>  ****
>
> Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . ****
>
>  ****
>
> Morally unemployed,****
>
> David in Durango****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> [1] next winter = appropriate economic time****
>
> ----- Original Message ----- ****
>
> *From:* Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> ****
>
> *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com ****
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM****
>
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>
> The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
> The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
> nnnnnnngh......
> I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
> rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
> It's winter........
> I'm not driving the car......
> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
> Must.... resist.... temptation.
>
> If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for
> the car and I can't have that.
>
> must.... resist....
>
> Asa Jay****
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired****
>
> & Shelley Marie****
>
> Spokane, WA****
>
> ******************************     ****
>
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>
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>
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>
> On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: ****
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related****
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From asajay at asajay.com  Sun Dec  4 09:15:09 2011
From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 09:15:09 -0800
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Aaaaaaargh,

Keep talkin'... yea... go ahead.... just KEEEEEEP Talkin'


New valves
New retainers
New keepers
- figure on the guides needed replaced or sleeved
- new three-angle valve job
- assuming no seats need to be replaced (would be nice to put hardened 
seats in)
- should machine the guides for positive-type seals
- MUST maintain proper valve stem installed height due to bolt-down rockers
- can't have the head faced, or it throws off the rocker install

The slippery slope....
- while I'm in there, I should go ahead and replace the cam/lifters
- but then I'd probably need to consider an adjustable valve train
- I'd like to move to head studs (yea, a bit more difficult to remove 
the heads from the engine bay)
- If I'm in that far, it would be nice to swap all the bearings
- but if I'm in that far I should check the cylinders and replace the 
rings on the pistons
- but if I find out I have too much slop in the cylinders I should get 
it bored .010 over or so
- which leads to new pistons
- hmmm, I've been thinkin' about a stroker for the next build....
- Sam "Okay 'grandpa' now that it's 2020, when you are going to fix the 
Pantera so I can drive it?"

Back to reality.  Advantages:
- replaces all those two-piece valves
- gives me the chance to swap the intake to one of the FPP dual-plane 
models I have

Disadvantages:
- cost
- doesn't replace that one noisy lifter that comes and goes

Swap the engine from the Mach I:
- new fluids.
- new pilot bearing.
- not as slippery of a slope.

I'll probably stay torn on this for a while.
Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
&  Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
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http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/4/2011 8:13 AM, bob Radefeld wrote:
> Dear Chuck,
> Weren't you one of the folks with advice regarding the "slippery 
> slope" syndrome that so easily occurs when one pulls his engine? That 
> certainly applied to me when my engine came out of my car & I've got a 
> hunch it could very easily infect Asa if he swaps engines. If he can 
> somehow "immunize" himself against this happening then YES, I would 
> agree that swapping engines might allow for a smaller outlay of $$ for 
> him. Personally, however, I would pull only the heads & be more 
> assured that my chances of sliding were minimized to the max.........FWIW.
> Bob
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net 
> <mailto:cengles at cox.net>> wrote:
>
>     Dear Mr. Not Completely Stock Engine Owner,
>
>                       My biggest concern was with the lousy plastic
>     timing gear and you?ve taken care of that.  I had forgotten about
>     the two piece valves.  I think the best and most unpleasant
>     comments on that are from JB and  Rowdy.   To paraphrase one of my
>     favorite quotes for this situation: ?As long as nothing happens to
>     the engine, there?s no danger.?
>
>                        Perhaps for the least financial cost, the
>     Mustang engine transplant might the best deal.  You said that the
>     biggest dollar cost would be adjusting or rebuilding the carb for
>     it?s new situation in the Pantera.   You could put the Pantera
>     engine on a stand and then??..put the Mustang on the proverbial
>     back burner of ?when I get ?round tuit? and/or begin another
>     engine build from those three re-builders you have for a Mustang
>     powerplant.
>
>                                          Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
>
>     Fr*om:*tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
>     <mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com>
>     [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
>     <mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com>] *On Behalf Of *Asa Jay
>     Laughton
>     *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:52 PM
>     *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com <mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>
>     *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
>     Well the fact is there is nothing -wrong- with the stock engine
>     -in- the Pantera right now.  Except for doomsayer's like John (no
>     offense intended) who keep a tinge of doubt in my mind, I have no
>     qualms about running this engine at 100 MPH for 90 miles.  It
>     needs nothing right now other than an oil and filter change, well
>     and maybe a new radiator (or rebuilt, I'm working on that).
>
>     Granted, running it between WOT and full Brakes on the local track
>     for 20 minutes at a shot, or brutalizing it on an autocross course
>     isn't the same.  Might it not survive 100 MPH for 90 miles?  Maybe.
>
>     Two years ago I replaced all the valve stem keepers and valve stem
>     seals.  I've tuned it for no-knock on 92 Octane pump gas (of
>     course it's a '73 de-tuned engine anyway.)  It has a full-roller
>     timing set (after the stock set went south).  Okay, so it's not
>     strictly stock, like Brock Tella stock, okay?
>
>     No worries though, I'm not about to spend a brazilian dollars on
>     new parts for a new rebuild.  That comes secondary.  What the
>     angst is about is whether to buy in to the idea the stock engine
>     might grenade on course and instead run the engine I've built for
>     the Mach I.  Details on that engine build are here:
>     http://www.asajay.com/351rebuild/351rebuild.htm
>
>     It's been running in the Mach I since 2001, just not been driven a
>     whole lot.
>
>     <sigh>  I just need new shocks/springs, a new radiator, wheels and
>     tires, an oil and filter change and I'll be ready.  But I'll also
>     listen to other advice.  What other reasons are there that my
>     engine as it is might not make it 90 miles at 100 MPH?
>
>     Asa Jay
>
>
>
>     Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>
>     &  Shelley Marie
>
>     Spokane, WA
>
>     ******************************
>
>     http://www.racingagainstautism.com  <http://www.racingagainstautism.com/>
>
>     http://www.teampanteraracing.com  <http://www.teampanteraracing.com/>
>
>     http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
>
>     On 12/3/2011 5:35 PM,  Charles Engles wrote:
>
>     Dear Asa,
>
>                      Ahem.  That should read: ***John?s*email is
>     filled with words of wisdom.
>
>                                               My bad,  Chuck Engles
>
>     *From:*tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
>     <mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com>
>     [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com]***On Behalf Of* Charles
>     Engles
>     *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
>     *To:* 'John Bentley'; 'Asa Jay Laughton';
>     tpr at teampanteraracing.com <mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>     *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
>     Dear Asa,
>
>                           John email is filled with words of wisdom.
>
>                                                      Warmest regards, 
>     Chuck Engles
>
>     *From:*tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
>     <mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com>
>     [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com]***On Behalf Of* John
>     Bentley
>     *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
>     *To:* Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>     <mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>     *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
>     Asa,
>
>     You gotta stop this!  Don't run Silver State with an original
>     un-touched engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile
>     25!  Don't worry about the long list of $20k worth of parts you
>     WANT and just get it running and run the 100 MPH class.  Take
>     smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it again. :)  My garage is
>     filled with parts I have collected along the way and if I waited
>     until they were all installed it would never leave the jack stands.
>
>     Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your
>     engine......!
>
>     JB
>
>     *From:*Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> <mailto:asajay at asajay.com>
>     *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com <mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>     *Sent:* Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
>     You're excellency,
>
>     There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute
>     for The Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and
>     John Christian on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a
>     refrigerator specifically designated for beer.  Although it's not
>     normally stocked, it miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop
>     cloth comes to stay.  And one of the natives has a "Hut" always
>     well stocked with pizza.
>
>     I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera. 
>     It's an original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still
>     runs.  Yes.... the more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a
>     chance on breaking something, which I sometimes have angst
>     about.... until I climb in, fire it up and drive away.  So on the
>     one hand, I really should swap it, but on the other... how cool
>     would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed class,
>     with the original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40
>     years after it was made?  ...   WOW!
>
>     The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven
>     it in -over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and
>     paint.  But I just know if it sits for -long- without an
>     engine.... it will depress me even further as to it's non-driven
>     state.  That engine is -not- numbers matching and I could pretty
>     much put it anywhere I want without any angst.
>
>     The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting
>     further forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It
>     isn't a good candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last
>     time and has nearly 80K miles on it or so.  I have three others
>     stored that I could use for new rebuilt platforms, but I don't
>     know what condition they are in.... again, the Northwest PRI has
>     no money for research at the moment.
>
>     If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it
>     would most likely happen in January and would look something like
>     this:
>
>     - Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
>     - Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
>         - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove
>     radiator
>         - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
>         - Remove fan belts and fan
>         - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
>     necessary)
>         - Remove alternator
>         - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
>         - Remove carb, tape over intake
>         - Remove distributor
>         - Unbolt headers at head
>         - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay
>     Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>         - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
>         - Put the engine on a stand
>     - Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
>     - Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
>         - Remove the decklid
>         - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or
>     rebuilt radiator)
>         - Drain engine oil
>         - Drain ZF gear oil
>         - Unhook fuel line and cork
>         - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
>         - Unhook all wiring, set aside
>         - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
>         - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
>         - Remove A/C Condensor
>         - Unhook headers
>         - Unhook transmission linkage
>         - Unhook transmission wiring
>         - Unhook half-shafts
>         - Remove clutch slave, set aside
>         - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
>     - Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
>         - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
>         - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one
>     (money)
>         - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are
>     fine, otherwise.... more money)
>     - Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)
>
>     But then.....
>     - I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The
>     Carter AFB on there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The
>     Holley from the Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the
>     higher horsepower of the Mach I engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune
>     the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
>     - I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the
>     Pantera but I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine
>     compartment to make it work.  Best to do that while the engine is
>     out. (more money)
>     - If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber
>     mounting doughnuts. (more money)
>     - If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling
>     system, ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some
>     creative work in the engine bay)
>     - Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't
>     being used.
>
>     So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I
>     get that darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8
>     engine in my bones and "practicality" begins to get awfully
>     transparent.
>
>     Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more
>     horsepower and coveted my neighbors ponies.
>
>     Asa Jay
>
>     & Shelley Marie
>
>     Spokane, WA
>
>     ******************************
>
>     http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>     <http://www.racingagainstautism.com/>
>
>     http://www.teampanteraracing.com <http://www.teampanteraracing.com/>
>
>     http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
>
>     On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote:
>
>     So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).
>
>     Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the
>     Pantera motor, use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and
>     have some fun in the mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate
>     labor for 3-4 days if he had a place to stay and beer/pizza
>     rations.  That way, if you dropped something big, you would have
>     back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels, too.
>
>     Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . .
>
>     Morally unemployed,
>
>     David in Durango
>
>     [1] next winter = appropriate economic time
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>
>     *From:* Asa Jay Laughton <mailto:asajay at asajay.com>
>
>     *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com <mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>
>     *Sent:*Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM
>
>     *Subject:*Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
>     AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>
>     The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
>     The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
>     nnnnnnngh......
>     I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
>     rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
>     It's winter........
>     I'm not driving the car......
>     mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
>     Must.... resist.... temptation.
>
>     If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death
>     nell for the car and I can't have that.
>
>     must.... resist....
>
>     Asa Jay
>
>     Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>
>     & Shelley Marie
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From cengles at cox.net  Sun Dec  4 09:19:16 2011
From: cengles at cox.net ( Charles Engles)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 11:19:16 -0600
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Dear Bob,

 

 

                   In my opinion it is always a slippery slope and planning
helps to keep you from ending up on the black slope with the moguls...

 

 

                                    Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

 

From: bob Radefeld [mailto:bob at radefeld.com] 
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:14 AM
To: Charles Engles
Cc: Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

 

Dear Chuck,

 

Weren't you one of the folks with advice regarding the "slippery slope"
syndrome that so easily occurs when one pulls his engine? That certainly
applied to me when my engine came out of my car & I've got a hunch it could
very easily infect Asa if he swaps engines. If he can somehow "immunize"
himself against this happening then YES, I would agree that swapping engines
might allow for a smaller outlay of $$ for him. Personally, however, I would
pull only the heads & be more assured that my chances of sliding were
minimized to the max.........FWIW.

 

 

Bob 

 



 

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:

Dear Mr. Not Completely Stock Engine Owner,

 

 

 

                  My biggest concern was with the lousy plastic timing gear
and you've taken care of that.  I had forgotten about the two piece valves.
I think the best and most unpleasant comments on that are from JB and
Rowdy.   To paraphrase one of my favorite quotes for this situation: "As
long as nothing happens to the engine, there's no danger."

 

                   Perhaps for the least financial cost, the Mustang engine
transplant might the best deal.  You said that the biggest dollar cost would
be adjusting or rebuilding the carb for it's new situation in the Pantera.
You could put the Pantera engine on a stand and then....put the Mustang on
the proverbial back burner of "when I get 'round tuit" and/or begin another
engine build from those three re-builders you have for a Mustang powerplant.

 

 

                                     Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

 

 

 

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Asa Jay Laughton
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:52 PM
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 


Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

 

Well the fact is there is nothing -wrong- with the stock engine -in- the
Pantera right now.  Except for doomsayer's like John (no offense intended)
who keep a tinge of doubt in my mind, I have no qualms about running this
engine at 100 MPH for 90 miles.  It needs nothing right now other than an
oil and filter change, well and maybe a new radiator (or rebuilt, I'm
working on that).

Granted, running it between WOT and full Brakes on the local track for 20
minutes at a shot, or brutalizing it on an autocross course isn't the same.
Might it not survive 100 MPH for 90 miles?  Maybe.

Two years ago I replaced all the valve stem keepers and valve stem seals.
I've tuned it for no-knock on 92 Octane pump gas (of course it's a '73
de-tuned engine anyway.)  It has a full-roller timing set (after the stock
set went south).  Okay, so it's not strictly stock, like Brock Tella stock,
okay?

No worries though, I'm not about to spend a brazilian dollars on new parts
for a new rebuild.  That comes secondary.  What the angst is about is
whether to buy in to the idea the stock engine might grenade on course and
instead run the engine I've built for the Mach I.  Details on that engine
build are here:
http://www.asajay.com/351rebuild/351rebuild.htm

It's been running in the Mach I since 2001, just not been driven a whole
lot.

<sigh>  I just need new shocks/springs, a new radiator, wheels and tires, an
oil and filter change and I'll be ready.  But I'll also listen to other
advice.  What other reasons are there that my engine as it is might not make
it 90 miles at 100 MPH?

Asa Jay




Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
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On 12/3/2011 5:35 PM,  Charles Engles wrote: 

Dear Asa,

 

                 Ahem.  That should read:   John's email is filled with
words of wisdom.   

                                          My bad,  Chuck Engles

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Charles Engles
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
To: 'John Bentley'; 'Asa Jay Laughton'; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

Dear Asa,

                      John email is filled with words of wisdom.    

 

                                                 Warmest regards,  Chuck
Engles

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of John Bentley
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
To: Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

Asa,

You gotta stop this!  Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched
engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!  Don't worry about
the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and
run the 100 MPH class.  Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it again.
:)  My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way and if I
waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack stands.

Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!

JB

From: Asa Jay Laughton  <mailto:asajay at asajay.com> <asajay at asajay.com>
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

You're excellency,

There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The
Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian on
their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a refrigerator specifically
designated for beer.  Although it's not normally stocked, it miraculously
fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay.  And one of the natives
has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.

I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an
original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the more
I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something, which I
sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and drive away.
So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the other... how cool
would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the
original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was
made?  ...   WOW!

The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in
-over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I
just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me
even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers
matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.

The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further
forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good
candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly
80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could use for new
rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again,
the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.

If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would
most likely happen in January and would look something like this:

- Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
- Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
    - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
    - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
    - Remove fan belts and fan
    - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
necessary)
    - Remove alternator
    - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
    - Remove carb, tape over intake
    - Remove distributor
    - Unbolt headers at head
    - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton,
MSgt, USAFR, Retired
    - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
    - Put the engine on a stand
- Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
- Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
    - Remove the decklid
    - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt
radiator)
    - Drain engine oil
    - Drain ZF gear oil
    - Unhook fuel line and cork
    - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
    - Unhook all wiring, set aside
    - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
    - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
    - Remove A/C Condensor
    - Unhook headers
    - Unhook transmission linkage
    - Unhook transmission wiring
    - Unhook half-shafts
    - Remove clutch slave, set aside
    - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
- Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
    - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
    - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
    - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine,
otherwise.... more money)
- Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

But then.....
- I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB on
there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the Pantera
would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach I
engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
- I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but
I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it
work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
- If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting
doughnuts. (more money)
- If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system, ala
John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in the
engine bay)
- Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.

So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get that
darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and
"practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and
coveted my neighbors ponies.

Asa Jay    

& Shelley Marie

Spokane, WA

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On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).

 

Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor,
use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the
mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a
place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped something
big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels,
too.

 

Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 

 

Morally unemployed,

David in Durango

 

 

 

[1] next winter = appropriate economic time

----- Original Message ----- 

From:  <mailto:asajay at asajay.com> Asa Jay Laughton 

To:  <mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com> tpr at teampanteraracing.com 

Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM

Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
nnnnnnngh......
I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
It's winter........
I'm not driving the car......
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
Must.... resist.... temptation.

If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the
car and I can't have that.

must.... resist....

Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired

& Shelley Marie

Spokane, WA

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related>
&feature=related

 

just in case you've forgotten.

 

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From bob at radefeld.com  Sun Dec  4 10:40:33 2011
From: bob at radefeld.com (bob Radefeld)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 12:40:33 -0600
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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 Agreed Chuck!

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:

>  Dear Bob,****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
>                    In my opinion it is always a slippery slope and
> planning helps to keep you from ending up on the black slope with the
> moguls??.****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
>                                     Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* bob Radefeld [mailto:bob at radefeld.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:14 AM
> *To:* Charles Engles
> *Cc:* Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
>   ** **
>
> Dear Chuck,****
>
>  ****
>
> Weren't you one of the folks with advice regarding the "slippery slope"
> syndrome that so easily occurs when one pulls his engine? That certainly
> applied to me when my engine came out of my car & I've got a hunch it could
> very easily infect Asa if he swaps engines. If he can somehow "immunize"
> himself against this happening then YES, I would agree that swapping
> engines might allow for a smaller outlay of $$ for him. Personally,
> however, I would pull only the heads & be more assured that my chances of
> sliding were minimized to the max.........FWIW.****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> Bob ****
>
>  ****
>
>
>
>  ****
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:***
> *
>
> Dear Mr. Not Completely Stock Engine Owner,****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
>                   My biggest concern was with the lousy plastic timing
> gear and you?ve taken care of that.  I had forgotten about the two piece
> valves.  I think the best and most unpleasant comments on that are from JB
> and  Rowdy.   To paraphrase one of my favorite quotes for this situation:
> ?As long as nothing happens to the engine, there?s no danger.?****
>
>  ****
>
>                    Perhaps for the least financial cost, the Mustang
> engine transplant might the best deal.  You said that the biggest dollar
> cost would be adjusting or rebuilding the carb for it?s new situation in
> the Pantera.   You could put the Pantera engine on a stand and then??..put
> the Mustang on the proverbial back burner of ?when I get ?round tuit?
> and/or begin another engine build from those three re-builders you have for
> a Mustang powerplant.****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
>                                      Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> Fr*om:* tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [mailto:
> tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] *On Behalf Of *Asa Jay Laughton
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:52 PM
> *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com ****
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
>  ****
>
> Well the fact is there is nothing -wrong- with the stock engine -in- the
> Pantera right now.  Except for doomsayer's like John (no offense intended)
> who keep a tinge of doubt in my mind, I have no qualms about running this
> engine at 100 MPH for 90 miles.  It needs nothing right now other than an
> oil and filter change, well and maybe a new radiator (or rebuilt, I'm
> working on that).
>
> Granted, running it between WOT and full Brakes on the local track for 20
> minutes at a shot, or brutalizing it on an autocross course isn't the
> same.  Might it not survive 100 MPH for 90 miles?  Maybe.
>
> Two years ago I replaced all the valve stem keepers and valve stem seals.
> I've tuned it for no-knock on 92 Octane pump gas (of course it's a '73
> de-tuned engine anyway.)  It has a full-roller timing set (after the stock
> set went south).  Okay, so it's not strictly stock, like Brock Tella stock,
> okay?
>
> No worries though, I'm not about to spend a brazilian dollars on new parts
> for a new rebuild.  That comes secondary.  What the angst is about is
> whether to buy in to the idea the stock engine might grenade on course and
> instead run the engine I've built for the Mach I.  Details on that engine
> build are here:
> http://www.asajay.com/351rebuild/351rebuild.htm
>
> It's been running in the Mach I since 2001, just not been driven a whole
> lot.
>
> <sigh>  I just need new shocks/springs, a new radiator, wheels and tires,
> an oil and filter change and I'll be ready.  But I'll also listen to other
> advice.  What other reasons are there that my engine as it is might not
> make it 90 miles at 100 MPH?
>
> Asa Jay
>
>
> ****
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired****
>
> & Shelley Marie****
>
> Spokane, WA****
>
> ******************************     ****
>
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com****
>
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com****
>
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism****
>
>
> On 12/3/2011 5:35 PM,  Charles Engles wrote: ****
>
> Dear Asa,****
>
>  ****
>
>                  Ahem.  That should read:  * **John?s* email is filled
> with words of wisdom.   ****
>
>                                           My bad,  Chuck Engles****
>
> *From:* tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [
> mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com<tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com>
> ]* **On Behalf Of* Charles Engles
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
> *To:* 'John Bentley'; 'Asa Jay Laughton'; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
> Dear Asa,****
>
>                       John email is filled with words of wisdom.    ****
>
>  ****
>
>                                                  Warmest regards,  Chuck
> Engles****
>
> *From:* tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [
> mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com<tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com>
> ]* **On Behalf Of* John Bentley
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
> *To:* Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
> Asa,****
>
> You gotta stop this!  Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched
> engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!  Don't worry about
> the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and
> run the 100 MPH class.  Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it
> again. :)  My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way
> and if I waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack
> stands.****
>
> Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!*
> ***
>
> JB****
>
> *From:* Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> <asajay at asajay.com>
> *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
> You're excellency,
>
> There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The
> Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian
> on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a refrigerator
> specifically designated for beer.  Although it's not normally stocked, it
> miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay.  And one
> of the natives has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.
>
> I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an
> original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the
> more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something,
> which I sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and
> drive away.  So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the
> other... how cool would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed
> class, with the original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40
> years after it was made?  ...   WOW!
>
> The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in
> -over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I
> just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me
> even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers
> matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.
>
> The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further
> forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good
> candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly
> 80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could use for new
> rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again,
> the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.
>
> If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would
> most likely happen in January and would look something like this:
>
> - Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
> - Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
>     - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
>     - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
>     - Remove fan belts and fan
>     - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
> necessary)
>     - Remove alternator
>     - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
>     - Remove carb, tape over intake
>     - Remove distributor
>     - Unbolt headers at head
>     - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton,
> MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>     - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
>     - Put the engine on a stand
> - Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
> - Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
>     - Remove the decklid
>     - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt
> radiator)
>     - Drain engine oil
>     - Drain ZF gear oil
>     - Unhook fuel line and cork
>     - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
>     - Unhook all wiring, set aside
>     - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
>     - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
>     - Remove A/C Condensor
>     - Unhook headers
>     - Unhook transmission linkage
>     - Unhook transmission wiring
>     - Unhook half-shafts
>     - Remove clutch slave, set aside
>     - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
> - Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
>     - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
>     - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
>     - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine,
> otherwise.... more money)
> - Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)
>
> But then.....
> - I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB on
> there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the
> Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach
> I engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
> - I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but
> I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it
> work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
> - If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting
> doughnuts. (more money)
> - If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system,
> ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in
> the engine bay)
> - Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.
>
> So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get that
> darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and
> "practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.
>
> Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and
> coveted my neighbors ponies.
>
> Asa Jay    ****
>
> & Shelley Marie****
>
> Spokane, WA****
>
> ******************************     ****
>
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com****
>
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com****
>
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism****
>
>
> On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: ****
>
> So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).****
>
>  ****
>
> Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera
> motor, use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in
> the mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he
> had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped
> something big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your
> new wheels, too.****
>
>  ****
>
> Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . ****
>
>  ****
>
> Morally unemployed,****
>
> David in Durango****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> [1] next winter = appropriate economic time****
>
> ----- Original Message ----- ****
>
> *From:* Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> ****
>
> *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com ****
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM****
>
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>
> The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
> The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
> nnnnnnngh......
> I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
> rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
> It's winter........
> I'm not driving the car......
> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
> Must.... resist.... temptation.
>
> If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for
> the car and I can't have that.
>
> must.... resist....
>
> Asa Jay****
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired****
>
> & Shelley Marie****
>
> Spokane, WA****
>
> ******************************     ****
>
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com****
>
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com****
>
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism****
>
>
> On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: ****
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related****
>
>  ****
>
> just in case you've forgotten.****
>
>  ****
>
> Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!****
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From teampantera at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  5 10:46:50 2011
From: teampantera at yahoo.com (Mad Dog Antenucci)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 10:46:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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And now for the dissenting opinion;

If you don't have millions of dollars falling out of your pocket like Chuck and others <grin> do.............remember mosty anything-Detroit iron that has 8 working cylinders that will get you BACK in the driver's seat of your Pantera is a good thing.?

I think waiting months or years doesn't work unless you just ain't man enough to go to the junkyard or to the Mustang and pull that engine you need....okay kidding here guys.....see lots of smiley faces :-) ;-) ;-) ;-)

But if youdon't want to drive the Pantera anymore then doing nothing will be okay too <more grins).....after all ain't you got lots of rain, snow and ice now??

Yea of course you do..... so best time to put in a ?'doner' engine until you have more bucks to work with is right now....that way come spring you are ready to drive the Pantera again.

PS I am still waiting for a sponsor to build my 1,000 HP twin turbo street engine for the Pantera ;-)


?
Mad Dawg Antenucci 
Team Pantera Racing 
The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing 
www.teampanteraracing.com


________________________________
 From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
To: 'Asa Jay Laughton' <asajay at asajay.com> 
Cc: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
 

Dear Asa,
?
?
????????????????? Why don?t you just build another engine over the winter and pop it into the Pantera???? Or??more economically, pull the Pantera engine and add new bearings on the lower end and bolt on some 4V heads with port stuffers plus a Funnelweb intake and a new cam??? The Pantera is important, but you wouldn?t want to sacrifice a perfectly good Mach I for a powerplant.
?
?
???????????????? ????????????????Warmest regards,? Chuck Engles
?
?
?
From:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Asa Jay Laughton
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 3:10 PM
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
nnnnnnngh......
I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
It's winter........
I'm not driving the car......
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
Must.... resist.... temptation.

If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the car and I can't have that.

must.... resist....

Asa Jay


Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************???? 
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism

On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related
?
just in case you've forgotten.
?
Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
?
?
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From teampantera at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  5 10:47:57 2011
From: teampantera at yahoo.com (Mad Dog Antenucci)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 10:47:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Isn't that what I just said?
Yea of course it is.....okay seriously this is the first time the Pope and I have agreed on anything <grin>
?
Mad Dawg Antenucci 
Team Pantera Racing 
The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing 
www.teampanteraracing.com


________________________________
 From: David in Durango <adin at frontier.net>
To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>; tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
 

So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?? Hot motor? (well, 
usable).
?
Swap them out!? If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera 
motor, use it for the dream rebuild? "next winter" [1] and have some fun in 
the mean time.? I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he 
had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.? That way, if you dropped 
something big, you would have back up!? Hell, he might even deliver your 
new wheels, too.
?
Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 
?
Morally unemployed,
David in Durango
?
?
?
[1] next winter = appropriate economic time
----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Asa Jay  Laughton 
>To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
>Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10  PM
>Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . .  . .
>
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>
>The more I -SIT- 
  here and dwell on it.....
>The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I 
  into the Pantera.....
>nnnnnnngh......
>I know I could have it done in a 
  couple weekends....
>rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
>It's winter........
>I'm 
  not driving the car......
>mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
>Must.... 
  resist.... temptation.
>
>If I take that engine out of the Mustang... 
  it'll be the death nell for the car and I can't have that.
>
>must.... 
  resist....
>
>Asa Jay
>
>Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>On 
  12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
> 
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related
>>?
>>just in case you've forgotten.
>>?
>>Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
>>
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From teampantera at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  5 10:52:04 2011
From: teampantera at yahoo.com (Mad Dog Antenucci)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 10:52:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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STOP being a girl AJ and follow my advise....or that advise I got from Doc, JB and the Pope. ;-)
?
Mad Dawg Antenucci 
Team Pantera Racing 
The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing 
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________________________________
 From: John Bentley <gndplne at yahoo.com>
To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>; "tpr at teampanteraracing.com" <tpr at teampanteraracing.com> 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
 

Asa,

You gotta stop this!? Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!? Don't worry about the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and run the 100 MPH class.? Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it again. :)? My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way and if I waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack stands.


Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!


JB


________________________________
 From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
 

You're excellency,

There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for
    The Pope.? The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John
    Christian on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.? I have a
    refrigerator specifically designated for beer.? Although it's not
    normally stocked, it miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop
    cloth comes to stay.? And one of the natives has a "Hut" always well
    stocked with pizza.

I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.?
    It's an original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.?
    Yes.... the more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on
    breaking something, which I sometimes have angst about.... until I
    climb in, fire it up and drive away.? So on the one hand, I really
    should swap it, but on the other... how cool would it be to complete
    the SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the original numbers
    matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was made??
    ...?? WOW!

The Mach I could sit without an engine.? I haven't actually driven
    it in -over- a year.? It's really in a sad state of bodywork and
    paint.? But I just know if it sits for -long- without an engine....
    it will depress me even further as to it's non-driven state.? That
    engine is -not- numbers matching and I could pretty much put it
    anywhere I want without any angst.

The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting
    further forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.? It isn't
    a good candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time
    and has nearly 80K miles on it or so.? I have three others stored
    that I could use for new rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what
    condition they are in.... again, the Northwest PRI has no money for
    research at the moment.

If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it
    would most likely happen in January and would look something like
    this:

- Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
- Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
??? - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove
    radiator
??? - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
??? - Remove fan belts and fan
??? - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
    necessary)
??? - Remove alternator
??? - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
??? - Remove carb, tape over intake
??? - Remove distributor
??? - Unbolt headers at head
??? - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay
    Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
??? - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
??? - Put the engine on a stand
- Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
- Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
??? - Remove the decklid
??? - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or
    rebuilt radiator)
??? - Drain engine oil
??? - Drain ZF gear oil
??? - Unhook fuel line and cork
??? - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
??? - Unhook all wiring, set aside
??? - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
??? - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
??? - Remove A/C Condensor
??? - Unhook headers
??? - Unhook transmission linkage
??? - Unhook transmission wiring
??? - Unhook half-shafts
??? - Remove clutch slave, set aside
??? - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
- Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
??? - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
??? - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one
    (money)
??? - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are
    fine, otherwise.... more money)
- Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

But then.....
- I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.? The Carter
    AFB on there works, but not as optimally as it should.? The Holley
    from the Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the higher
    horsepower of the Mach I engine.? Do I rebuild and re-tune the
    Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
- I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the
    Pantera but I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine
    compartment to make it work.? Best to do that while the engine is
    out. (more money)
- If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber
    mounting doughnuts. (more money)
- If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling
    system, ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some
    creative work in the engine bay)
- Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being
    used.

So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.? But I get
    that darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in
    my bones and "practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower
    and coveted my neighbors ponies.

Asa Jay ?? 



& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?? Hot motor? (well, usable).
>?
>Swap them out!? If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor, use it for the dream rebuild? "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the mean time.? I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.? That way, if you dropped something big, you would have back up!? Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels, too.
>?
>Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 
>?
>Morally unemployed,
>David in Durango
>?
>?
>?
>[1] next winter = appropriate economic time
>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: Asa Jay Laughton 
>>To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
>>Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM
>>Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>>
>>
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>>
>>The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
>>The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the
        Pantera.....
>>nnnnnnngh......
>>I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
>>rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
>>It's winter........
>>I'm not driving the car......
>>mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
>>Must.... resist.... temptation.
>>
>>If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death
        nell for the car and I can't have that.
>>
>>must.... resist....
>>
>>Asa Jay
>>
>>Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>>On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
>> 
>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related
>>>?
>>>just in case you've forgotten.
>>>?
>>>Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
>>>
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From teampantera at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  5 11:35:16 2011
From: teampantera at yahoo.com (Mad Dog Antenucci)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 11:35:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] Fw: Gone in less than 60 seconds: 11 luxury sports cars
	wrecked in expensive pileup (Note the Porsche comes through
	unscathed)
In-Reply-To: <0914DA31B943F049B5FF34B5A24F0343B96A3A3D9E@SLAXEXC76.lawa.org>
References: <0914DA31B943F049B5FF34B5A24F0343B96A3A3D9E@SLAXEXC76.lawa.org>
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Proof that Japanese drivers are out of control
?
Mad Dawg Antenucci 
Team Pantera Racing 
The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing 
www.teampanteraracing.com

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To: "teampantera at yahoo.com" <teampantera at yahoo.com> 
Sent: Monday, December 5, 2011 11:12 AM
Subject: Gone in less than 60 seconds: 11 luxury sports cars wrecked in expensive pileup (Note the Porsche comes through unscathed)
 
http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/05/9214237-gone-in-less-than-60-seconds-11-luxury-sports-cars-wrecked-in-expensive-pileup
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From michaelsavga at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 06:33:22 2011
From: michaelsavga at gmail.com (michael@michaelshortt.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:33:22 -0500
Subject: [TPR] FOR YOU TOOL NUTS...A NEW GAUGE
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  *FOR ALL of YOU TOOL NUTS  .....  *



  *I just bought this new gauge from Home Depot's Tool Dept.*

  *It takes a while to learn all the settings but I'm pretty handy*
  *and was patient, so I figured it out eventually.*

  *You know for sure with this gauge, there is no more guessing!*




  *Home Depot......A man's toy  store......... *










  *It's just so much fun to use. I really love it!!!*

  *A guy just can't own too many tools.*


















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From teampantera at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 24 09:16:44 2011
From: teampantera at yahoo.com (Mad Dog Antenucci)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 09:16:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] Merry Christmas - Racers Only
Message-ID: <1324747004.3439.YahooMailNeo@web121903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Racer Guys & Laurie (But no one else;-)

Merry Christmas amigo's!
Most of you should already have got ready for football playoffs back in midwest or right coast...your feet propped up on the sofa ready for the play offs.?

Was just thinking about our little dysfunctional group and wanted all of you to know I was thinking about all of you......

Love ya guys

Dawg
Team Pantera Racing
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From adin at frontier.net  Sat Dec 24 09:36:01 2011
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 10:36:01 -0700
Subject: [TPR] Merry Christmas - Racers Only
References: <1324747004.3439.YahooMailNeo@web121903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <60C6D47AC0964749B1133BD347D4A32E@ZTxp>

Foot f__king ball?  What kind of a lame pat-me-on-the-ass thing is that???

I'll be in the garage, working on the Pantera.

Butt, Hope everyone has a safe, warm, and wonderful holiday.

http://images44.fotki.com/v1409/photos/4/43175/2747095/xmas88019-vi.jpg

Ho, Ho, Ho, pimp.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mad Dog Antenucci 
  To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 10:16 AM
  Subject: [TPR] Merry Christmas - Racers Only


  Racer Guys & Laurie (But no one else;-)


  Merry Christmas amigo's!
  Most of you should already have got ready for football playoffs back in midwest or right coast...your feet propped up on the sofa ready for the play offs. 


  Was just thinking about our little dysfunctional group and wanted all of you to know I was thinking about all of you......


  Love ya guys


  Dawg
  Team Pantera Racing




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From teampantera at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 24 09:47:05 2011
From: teampantera at yahoo.com (Mad Dog Antenucci)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 09:47:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] Merry Christmas - Racers Only
In-Reply-To: <60C6D47AC0964749B1133BD347D4A32E@ZTxp>
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	<60C6D47AC0964749B1133BD347D4A32E@ZTxp>
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Awsome!
And your right homey.....I forgot! ?And Iforget not everyone is basking in 70-75F blue skys and sunshine!?
I'm gonna be DRIVING today and espially tomorrow morning...wake up call for neighbors.

Off to beach.

Dawg

________________________________
 From: David in Durango <adin at frontier.net>
To: Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>; tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [TPR] Merry Christmas - Racers Only
 

 
Foot f__king ball?? What kind of a lame pat-me-on-the-ass thing is 
that???
?
I'll be in the garage, working on the Pantera.
?
Butt, Hope everyone has a safe, warm, and wonderful holiday.
?
http://images44.fotki.com/v1409/photos/4/43175/2747095/xmas88019-vi.jpg
?
Ho, Ho, Ho, pimp.
----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Mad Dog  Antenucci 
>To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
>Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 10:16  AM
>Subject: [TPR] Merry Christmas - Racers  Only
>
>
>Racer Guys & Laurie (But no one else;-)
>
>
>Merry Christmas amigo's!
>Most of you should already have got ready for football playoffs back in  midwest or right coast...your feet propped up on the sofa ready for the play  offs.?
>
>
>Was just thinking about our little dysfunctional group and wanted all of  you to know I was thinking about all of you......
>
>
>Love ya guys
>
>
>Dawg
>Team Pantera Racing
>
>
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From asajay at asajay.com  Fri Dec  2 10:07:44 2011
From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 18:07:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TPR] Asa Jay Laughton wants you to see this review at Amazon.com
Message-ID: <urn.correios.msg.201112021807440e0ce8c3b8d24470a5db1e6e4c483c53@1322849264469.rte-svc-na-i-81e1a9eb.us-east-1.amazon.com>

Amazon.com: Online Shopping for Electronics, Apparel, Computers, Books, DVDs & more 
 Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> requested that we send this e-mail. If you have questions about Amazon.com, please visit our Help Department(http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/508510/ref=cm_sw_em_r_asr_Z8FqC.1DXH9MJ_h). 

  
      Asa writes: 
  Back in 2008, TPR President Dennis "Mad Dawg" Antenucci gave me an old Garmin GPS III Plus in hopes I might put it to use myself in some upcoming ORR.  When I moved to a new Windows7 64-bit computer, I no longer had any serial ports to plug this in to do data analysis.

I know some of you have used or are still using this same kind of GPS (the older ones that work better and are more accurate).  So if you have one of these that requires a serial port, and you're running a newfangled computer -without- serial ports, check out the review I just wrote on Amazon for a product that saved the day.

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From teampantera at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  2 11:06:27 2011
From: teampantera at yahoo.com (Mad Dog Antenucci)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 11:06:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay Laughton wants you
	to see this review at Amazon.com
In-Reply-To: <urn.correios.msg.201112021807440e0ce8c3b8d24470a5db1e6e4c483c53@1322849264469.rte-svc-na-i-81e1a9eb.us-east-1.amazon.com>
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I didn't 'give-it' to you....I DONATED it to you SLACKER..... because you said you were gonna run an open road race....that was back in 2008....that part about the YEAR you got right.?

What year is it now?
LOL.....Okay just kidding.

Merry Christmas....happy holidays to everyone including AJ ;-)>

Any of you see or read on the news about the wind storms we have here in California?
Remember that 100 foot pine tree behind my house?

The wind storm that 100' pine tree down behind my house....I felt dramatized and all most cried.....fortunately it landed on my neighbors house....okay maybe NOT his house..... but it wasn't on MY house either! ;-)>

Thanking the Pantera Gods
?
Mad "Lucky' Dawg Antenucci 
Team Pantera Racing 
The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing 
www.teampanteraracing.com


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To: "tpr at teampanteraracing.com" <tpr at teampanteraracing.com> 
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 10:07 AM
Subject: [TPR] Asa Jay Laughton wants you to see this review at Amazon.com
 

 
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Back in 2008, TPR President Dennis "Mad Dawg" Antenucci gave me an old Garmin GPS III Plus in hopes I might put it to use myself in some upcoming ORR.  When I moved to a new Windows7 64-bit computer, I no longer had any serial ports to plug this in to do data analysis.

I know some of you have used or are still using this same kind of GPS (the older ones that work better and are more accurate).  So if you have one of these that requires a serial port, and you're running a newfangled computer -without- serial ports, check out the review I just wrote on Amazon for a product that saved the day.

Asa Jay
  
? 
? 
?  Resurrected my Garmin GPS III Plus, December 2, 2011 
by Asa Jay Laughton 

After moving to a 64-bit Windows computer running Windows 7, I no longer had serial ports to communicate with older equipment. Based on reviews of this and other cables, I decided to try this one. I'm also familiar with the FTDI driver set as we use them in some of our products. This serial to USB cable uses the well-known FTDI VCP driver set to make a USB port look just like a serial port. Although the cable...
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From asajay at asajay.com  Fri Dec  2 12:24:38 2011
From: asajay at asajay.com (asajay at asajay.com)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 12:24:38 -0800
Subject: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay Laughton
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Message-ID: <20111202122438.xi82matz4wgkkgcc@webmail.asajay.com>

Quoting Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>:

> ....I felt  dramatized and all most cried.....

You my friend... are always DRAMATIZED!  :)

and yea... I'm hoping to use that donation next year if I can get  
things properly ready.

Asa Jay


From adin at frontier.net  Fri Dec  2 18:14:25 2011
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 19:14:25 -0700
Subject: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay
	Laughtonwants	you to see this review at Amazon.com
References: <urn.correios.msg.201112021807440e0ce8c3b8d24470a5db1e6e4c483c53@1322849264469.rte-svc-na-i-81e1a9eb.us-east-1.amazon.com><1322852787.81283.YahooMailNeo@web121918.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<20111202122438.xi82matz4wgkkgcc@webmail.asajay.com>
Message-ID: <06C99F922BB945DABE22B172B9A892FF@ZTxp>

Well, AJ . . .  I'm saving a set of wheels for you - hope you can make it!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <asajay at asajay.com>
To: <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay Laughtonwants 
you to see this review at Amazon.com


> Quoting Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>:
>
>> ....I felt  dramatized and all most cried.....
>
> You my friend... are always DRAMATIZED!  :)
>
> and yea... I'm hoping to use that donation next year if I can get
> things properly ready.
>
> Asa Jay
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From asajay at asajay.com  Fri Dec  2 19:47:02 2011
From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 19:47:02 -0800
Subject: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay	Laughtonwants
 you to see this review at Amazon.com
In-Reply-To: <06C99F922BB945DABE22B172B9A892FF@ZTxp>
References: <urn.correios.msg.201112021807440e0ce8c3b8d24470a5db1e6e4c483c53@1322849264469.rte-svc-na-i-81e1a9eb.us-east-1.amazon.com><1322852787.81283.YahooMailNeo@web121918.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>	<20111202122438.xi82matz4wgkkgcc@webmail.asajay.com>
	<06C99F922BB945DABE22B172B9A892FF@ZTxp>
Message-ID: <4ED99BB6.9080207@asajay.com>

I'm trying to save up for those first, I've not forgotten and hate for 
my integrity to wear thin.

Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
&  Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/2/2011 6:14 PM, David in Durango wrote:
> Well, AJ . . .  I'm saving a set of wheels for you - hope you can make it!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:<asajay at asajay.com>
> To:<tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay Laughtonwants
> you to see this review at Amazon.com
>
>
>> Quoting Mad Dog Antenucci<teampantera at yahoo.com>:
>>
>>> ....I felt  dramatized and all most cried.....
>> You my friend... are always DRAMATIZED!  :)
>>
>> and yea... I'm hoping to use that donation next year if I can get
>> things properly ready.
>>
>> Asa Jay
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From adin at frontier.net  Fri Dec  2 20:07:36 2011
From: adin at frontier.net (David)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 21:07:36 -0700
Subject: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay	Laughtonwants
	you to see this review at Amazon.com
In-Reply-To: <4ED99BB6.9080207@asajay.com>
References: <urn.correios.msg.201112021807440e0ce8c3b8d24470a5db1e6e4c483c53@1322849264469.rte-svc-na-i-81e1a9eb.us-east-1.amazon.com>
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Your integrity is fine. Just checking. 

Let me know any needs/concerns/deadlines. 

On Dec 2, 2011, at 8:47 PM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:

> I'm trying to save up for those first, I've not forgotten and hate for 
> my integrity to wear thin.
> 
> Asa Jay
> 
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> &  Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
> 
> 
> On 12/2/2011 6:14 PM, David in Durango wrote:
>> Well, AJ . . .  I'm saving a set of wheels for you - hope you can make it!
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From:<asajay at asajay.com>
>> To:<tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay Laughtonwants
>> you to see this review at Amazon.com
>> 
>> 
>>> Quoting Mad Dog Antenucci<teampantera at yahoo.com>:
>>> 
>>>> ....I felt  dramatized and all most cried.....
>>> You my friend... are always DRAMATIZED!  :)
>>> 
>>> and yea... I'm hoping to use that donation next year if I can get
>>> things properly ready.
>>> 
>>> Asa Jay
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From teampantera at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  3 08:54:25 2011
From: teampantera at yahoo.com (Mad Dog Antenucci)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 08:54:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay Laughtonwants
	you to see this review at Amazon.com
In-Reply-To: <06C99F922BB945DABE22B172B9A892FF@ZTxp>
References: <urn.correios.msg.201112021807440e0ce8c3b8d24470a5db1e6e4c483c53@1322849264469.rte-svc-na-i-81e1a9eb.us-east-1.amazon.com><1322852787.81283.YahooMailNeo@web121918.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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WTF?
The Pope is gonna be serious now? ?;-)
He must be sick.....okay I'll raise that bed and offer you my tires WHEN (not if) you run during this current decade.
Kidding again. ;-)?
?
Mad Dawg Antenucci 
Team Pantera Racing 
The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing 
www.teampanteraracing.com


________________________________
 From: David in Durango <adin at frontier.net>
To: asajay at asajay.com; tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay Laughtonwants you to see this review at Amazon.com
 
Well, AJ . . .? I'm saving a set of wheels for you - hope you can make it!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <asajay at asajay.com>
To: <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] WIND STORM KNOCKS OUT HOUSE! Re: Asa Jay Laughtonwants 
you to see this review at Amazon.com


> Quoting Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>:
>
>> ....I felt? dramatized and all most cried.....
>
> You my friend... are always DRAMATIZED!? :)
>
> and yea... I'm hoping to use that donation next year if I can get
> things properly ready.
>
> Asa Jay
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From adin at frontier.net  Sat Dec  3 12:20:45 2011
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 13:20:45 -0700
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
Message-ID: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related

just in case you've forgotten.

Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
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From asajay at asajay.com  Sat Dec  3 13:05:25 2011
From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 13:05:25 -0800
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
In-Reply-To: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>
References: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>
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<insert manly grunts here>

I'd like my 351C to sound that good.

Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
&  Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related 
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related>
> just in case you've forgotten.
> Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
>
>
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> http://lists.teampanteraracing.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tpr
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> No virus found in this message.
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From asajay at asajay.com  Sat Dec  3 13:10:25 2011
From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 13:10:25 -0800
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
In-Reply-To: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>
References: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>
Message-ID: <4EDA9041.1070108@asajay.com>

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
nnnnnnngh......
I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
It's winter........
I'm not driving the car......
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
Must.... resist.... temptation.

If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for 
the car and I can't have that.

must.... resist....

Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
&  Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related 
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related>
> just in case you've forgotten.
> Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TPR mailing list
> TPR at teampanteraracing.com
> http://lists.teampanteraracing.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tpr
>
>
> No virus found in this message.
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From cengles at cox.net  Sat Dec  3 13:36:25 2011
From: cengles at cox.net ( Charles Engles)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 15:36:25 -0600
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
In-Reply-To: <4EDA9041.1070108@asajay.com>
References: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>
	<4EDA9041.1070108@asajay.com>
Message-ID: <005301ccb203$9c152820$d43f7860$@net>

Dear Asa,

 

 

                  Why don't you just build another engine over the winter
and pop it into the Pantera?    Or..more economically, pull the Pantera
engine and add new bearings on the lower end and bolt on some 4V heads with
port stuffers plus a Funnelweb intake and a new cam?   The Pantera is
important, but you wouldn't want to sacrifice a perfectly good Mach I for a
powerplant.

 

 

                                 Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

 

 

 

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Asa Jay Laughton
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 3:10 PM
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

 

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
nnnnnnngh......
I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
It's winter........
I'm not driving the car......
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
Must.... resist.... temptation.

If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the
car and I can't have that.

must.... resist....

Asa Jay



Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related>
&feature=related

 

just in case you've forgotten.

 

Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!

 
 
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From adin at frontier.net  Sat Dec  3 13:48:10 2011
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 14:48:10 -0700
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
References: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>
	<4EDA9041.1070108@asajay.com>
Message-ID: <62EB471FBC054D0D8FFF4316A4633B1B@ZTxp>

So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).

Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor, use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped something big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels, too.

Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 

Morally unemployed,
David in Durango



[1] next winter = appropriate economic time
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Asa Jay Laughton 
  To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .


  AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

  The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
  The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
  nnnnnnngh......
  I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
  rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
  It's winter........
  I'm not driving the car......
  mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
  Must.... resist.... temptation.

  If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the car and I can't have that.

  must.... resist....

  Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
  On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related

    just in case you've forgotten.

    Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!

_______________________________________________
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TPR at teampanteraracing.com
http://lists.teampanteraracing.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tpr

     

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From asajay at asajay.com  Sat Dec  3 14:55:35 2011
From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 14:55:35 -0800
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
In-Reply-To: <005301ccb203$9c152820$d43f7860$@net>
References: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>	<4EDA9041.1070108@asajay.com>
	<005301ccb203$9c152820$d43f7860$@net>
Message-ID: <4EDAA8E7.8070706@asajay.com>

Dr. Engles,
(Dr. as in Doctor of Pantera's from the Pantera Research Institute (PRI))

I would love nothing more than to spend time in the Northwest PRI lab 
putting together the next great engine to stuff in the Pantera.  Ah, the 
bliss of making sure all the specs are right, assembling all the pieces, 
torquing to spec, trying a new cam/head/intake combination, firing it up 
for the first time..... <sigh>

Last time it took me about $4,000 to do that.  Not bad when you consider 
what the big boys get for a rebuild.  But....

If I even had that money, it would be going to new coil-over shocks and 
springs, new wheels/tires, new radiator, and then SSCC entry fees, hotel 
and travel costs.

As for a refresh.... same story except throw in the fact I have the 
-original- engine in my Pantera and when I take it out, it's going into 
storage for a fairly warmed-over stock rebuild (nothing real fancy).

Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
&  Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 1:36 PM,  Charles Engles wrote:
>
> Dear Asa,
>
>                   Why don't you just build another engine over the 
> winter and pop it into the Pantera?    Or......more economically, pull 
> the Pantera engine and add new bearings on the lower end and bolt on 
> some 4V heads with port stuffers plus a Funnelweb intake and a new 
> cam?   The Pantera is important, but you wouldn't want to sacrifice a 
> perfectly good Mach I for a powerplant.
>
>                                  Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
>
> *From:*tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com 
> [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] *On Behalf Of *Asa Jay Laughton
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 3:10 PM
> *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>
> The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
> The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
> nnnnnnngh......
> I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
> rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
> It's winter........
> I'm not driving the car......
> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
> Must.... resist.... temptation.
>
> If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell 
> for the car and I can't have that.
>
> must.... resist....
>
> Asa Jay
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> &  Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
>
> On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related 
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related>
>
> just in case you've forgotten.
>
> Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
>
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From asajay at asajay.com  Sat Dec  3 15:51:01 2011
From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 15:51:01 -0800
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
In-Reply-To: <62EB471FBC054D0D8FFF4316A4633B1B@ZTxp>
References: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>	<4EDA9041.1070108@asajay.com>
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Message-ID: <4EDAB5E5.2090608@asajay.com>

You're excellency,

There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The 
Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John 
Christian on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a 
refrigerator specifically designated for beer.  Although it's not 
normally stocked, it miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop cloth 
comes to stay.  And one of the natives has a "Hut" always well stocked 
with pizza.

I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an 
original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the 
more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something, 
which I sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and 
drive away.  So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the 
other... how cool would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit 
speed class, with the original numbers matching engine, never been 
rebuilt, 40 years after it was made?  ...   WOW!

The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in 
-over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I 
just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me 
even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers 
matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.

The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further 
forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good 
candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has 
nearly 80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could 
use for new rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are 
in.... again, the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.

If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would 
most likely happen in January and would look something like this:

- Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
- Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
     - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
     - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
     - Remove fan belts and fan
     - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if 
necessary)
     - Remove alternator
     - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
     - Remove carb, tape over intake
     - Remove distributor
     - Unbolt headers at head
     - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay 
Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
     - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
     - Put the engine on a stand
- Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
- Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
     - Remove the decklid
     - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or 
rebuilt radiator)
     - Drain engine oil
     - Drain ZF gear oil
     - Unhook fuel line and cork
     - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
     - Unhook all wiring, set aside
     - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
     - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
     - Remove A/C Condensor
     - Unhook headers
     - Unhook transmission linkage
     - Unhook transmission wiring
     - Unhook half-shafts
     - Remove clutch slave, set aside
     - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
- Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
     - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
     - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
     - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine, 
otherwise.... more money)
- Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

But then.....
- I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB 
on there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the 
Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the 
Mach I engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the 
Holley?
- I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera 
but I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make 
it work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
- If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting 
doughnuts. (more money)
- If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system, 
ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work 
in the engine bay)
- Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.

So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get 
that darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my 
bones and "practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and 
coveted my neighbors ponies.

Asa Jay


&  Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote:
> So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).
> Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera 
> motor, use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some 
> fun in the mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 
> days if he had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if 
> you dropped something big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might 
> even deliver your new wheels, too.
> Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . .
> Morally unemployed,
> David in Durango
> [1] next winter = appropriate economic time
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Asa Jay Laughton <mailto:asajay at asajay.com>
>     *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com <mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>     *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
>     AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>
>     The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
>     The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
>     nnnnnnngh......
>     I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
>     rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
>     It's winter........
>     I'm not driving the car......
>     mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
>     Must.... resist.... temptation.
>
>     If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death
>     nell for the car and I can't have that.
>
>     must.... resist....
>
>     Asa Jay
>
>     Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>     &  Shelley Marie
>     Spokane, WA
>     ******************************
>     http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>     http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>     http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
>
>     On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote:
>>     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related
>>     <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related>
>>     just in case you've forgotten.
>>     Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
>>
>>
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From gndplne at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  3 16:02:59 2011
From: gndplne at yahoo.com (John Bentley)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 16:02:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Asa,

You gotta stop this!? Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!? Don't worry about the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and run the 100 MPH class.? Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it again. :)? My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way and if I waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack stands.


Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!


JB



________________________________
 From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
 

You're excellency,

There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for
    The Pope.? The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John
    Christian on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.? I have a
    refrigerator specifically designated for beer.? Although it's not
    normally stocked, it miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop
    cloth comes to stay.? And one of the natives has a "Hut" always well
    stocked with pizza.

I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.?
    It's an original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.?
    Yes.... the more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on
    breaking something, which I sometimes have angst about.... until I
    climb in, fire it up and drive away.? So on the one hand, I really
    should swap it, but on the other... how cool would it be to complete
    the SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the original numbers
    matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was made??
    ...?? WOW!

The Mach I could sit without an engine.? I haven't actually driven
    it in -over- a year.? It's really in a sad state of bodywork and
    paint.? But I just know if it sits for -long- without an engine....
    it will depress me even further as to it's non-driven state.? That
    engine is -not- numbers matching and I could pretty much put it
    anywhere I want without any angst.

The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting
    further forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.? It isn't
    a good candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time
    and has nearly 80K miles on it or so.? I have three others stored
    that I could use for new rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what
    condition they are in.... again, the Northwest PRI has no money for
    research at the moment.

If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it
    would most likely happen in January and would look something like
    this:

- Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
- Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
??? - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove
    radiator
??? - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
??? - Remove fan belts and fan
??? - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
    necessary)
??? - Remove alternator
??? - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
??? - Remove carb, tape over intake
??? - Remove distributor
??? - Unbolt headers at head
??? - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay
    Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
??? - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
??? - Put the engine on a stand
- Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
- Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
??? - Remove the decklid
??? - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or
    rebuilt radiator)
??? - Drain engine oil
??? - Drain ZF gear oil
??? - Unhook fuel line and cork
??? - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
??? - Unhook all wiring, set aside
??? - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
??? - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
??? - Remove A/C Condensor
??? - Unhook headers
??? - Unhook transmission linkage
??? - Unhook transmission wiring
??? - Unhook half-shafts
??? - Remove clutch slave, set aside
??? - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
- Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
??? - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
??? - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one
    (money)
??? - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are
    fine, otherwise.... more money)
- Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

But then.....
- I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.? The Carter
    AFB on there works, but not as optimally as it should.? The Holley
    from the Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the higher
    horsepower of the Mach I engine.? Do I rebuild and re-tune the
    Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
- I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the
    Pantera but I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine
    compartment to make it work.? Best to do that while the engine is
    out. (more money)
- If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber
    mounting doughnuts. (more money)
- If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling
    system, ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some
    creative work in the engine bay)
- Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being
    used.

So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.? But I get
    that darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in
    my bones and "practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower
    and coveted my neighbors ponies.

Asa Jay ?? 



& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?? Hot motor? (well, usable).
>?
>Swap them out!? If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor, use it for the dream rebuild? "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the mean time.? I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.? That way, if you dropped something big, you would have back up!? Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels, too.
>?
>Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 
>?
>Morally unemployed,
>David in Durango
>?
>?
>?
>[1] next winter = appropriate economic time
>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: Asa Jay Laughton 
>>To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
>>Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM
>>Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>>
>>
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>>
>>The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
>>The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the
        Pantera.....
>>nnnnnnngh......
>>I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
>>rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
>>It's winter........
>>I'm not driving the car......
>>mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
>>Must.... resist.... temptation.
>>
>>If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death
        nell for the car and I can't have that.
>>
>>must.... resist....
>>
>>Asa Jay
>>
>>Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>>On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
>> 
>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related
>>>?
>>>just in case you've forgotten.
>>>?
>>>Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
>>>
_______________________________________________
TPR mailing list TPR at teampanteraracing.com http://lists.teampanteraracing.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tpr 
>>>
>>>
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>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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From cengles at cox.net  Sat Dec  3 17:31:32 2011
From: cengles at cox.net ( Charles Engles)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:31:32 -0600
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
In-Reply-To: <4EDAB5E5.2090608@asajay.com>
References: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>	<4EDA9041.1070108@asajay.com>	<62EB471FBC054D0D8FFF4316A4633B1B@ZTxp>
	<4EDAB5E5.2090608@asajay.com>
Message-ID: <001501ccb224$7465d7e0$5d3187a0$@net>

Dear Asa,

 

 

              Looking at your list, I would say that you're on the verge of
that slippery slope.   Given your constraints, since I suspect that you're
*gonna* slide, just try to pick the gentlest slope!

 

 

                                      Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

 

 

 

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Asa Jay Laughton
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 5:51 PM
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

 

You're excellency,

There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The
Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian on
their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a refrigerator specifically
designated for beer.  Although it's not normally stocked, it miraculously
fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay.  And one of the natives
has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.

I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an
original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the more
I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something, which I
sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and drive away.
So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the other... how cool
would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the
original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was
made?  ...   WOW!

The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in
-over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I
just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me
even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers
matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.

The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further
forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good
candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly
80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could use for new
rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again,
the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.

If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would
most likely happen in January and would look something like this:

- Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
- Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
    - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
    - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
    - Remove fan belts and fan
    - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
necessary)
    - Remove alternator
    - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
    - Remove carb, tape over intake
    - Remove distributor
    - Unbolt headers at head
    - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton,
MSgt, USAFR, Retired
    - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
    - Put the engine on a stand
- Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
- Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
    - Remove the decklid
    - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt
radiator)
    - Drain engine oil
    - Drain ZF gear oil
    - Unhook fuel line and cork
    - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
    - Unhook all wiring, set aside
    - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
    - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
    - Remove A/C Condensor
    - Unhook headers
    - Unhook transmission linkage
    - Unhook transmission wiring
    - Unhook half-shafts
    - Remove clutch slave, set aside
    - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
- Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
    - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
    - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
    - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine,
otherwise.... more money)
- Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

But then.....
- I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB on
there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the Pantera
would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach I
engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
- I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but
I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it
work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
- If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting
doughnuts. (more money)
- If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system, ala
John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in the
engine bay)
- Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.

So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get that
darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and
"practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and
coveted my neighbors ponies.

Asa Jay    





& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).

 

Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor,
use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the
mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a
place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped something
big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels,
too.

 

Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 

 

Morally unemployed,

David in Durango

 

 

 

[1] next winter = appropriate economic time

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Asa Jay Laughton <mailto:asajay at asajay.com>  

To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 

Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM

Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

 

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
nnnnnnngh......
I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
It's winter........
I'm not driving the car......
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
Must.... resist.... temptation.

If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the
car and I can't have that.

must.... resist....

Asa Jay



Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related>
&feature=related

 

just in case you've forgotten.

 

Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!

 
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From cengles at cox.net  Sat Dec  3 17:33:13 2011
From: cengles at cox.net ( Charles Engles)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:33:13 -0600
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
In-Reply-To: <1322956979.21609.YahooMailNeo@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>	<4EDA9041.1070108@asajay.com>	<62EB471FBC054D0D8FFF4316A4633B1B@ZTxp>	<4EDAB5E5.2090608@asajay.com>
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Message-ID: <001a01ccb224$b0ac4b30$1204e190$@net>

Dear Asa,

 

 

                      John email is filled with words of wisdom.    

 

 

                                                 Warmest regards,  Chuck
Engles

 

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of John Bentley
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
To: Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

 

Asa,

 

You gotta stop this!  Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched
engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!  Don't worry about
the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and
run the 100 MPH class.  Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it again.
:)  My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way and if I
waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack stands.

 

Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!

 

JB

 

  _____  

From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

You're excellency,

There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The
Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian on
their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a refrigerator specifically
designated for beer.  Although it's not normally stocked, it miraculously
fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay.  And one of the natives
has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.

I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an
original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the more
I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something, which I
sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and drive away.
So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the other... how cool
would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the
original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was
made?  ...   WOW!

The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in
-over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I
just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me
even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers
matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.

The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further
forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good
candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly
80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could use for new
rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again,
the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.

If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would
most likely happen in January and would look something like this:

- Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
- Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
    - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
    - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
    - Remove fan belts and fan
    - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
necessary)
    - Remove alternator
    - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
    - Remove carb, tape over intake
    - Remove distributor
    - Unbolt headers at head
    - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton,
MSgt, USAFR, Retired
    - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
    - Put the engine on a stand
- Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
- Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
    - Remove the decklid
    - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt
radiator)
    - Drain engine oil
    - Drain ZF gear oil
    - Unhook fuel line and cork
    - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
    - Unhook all wiring, set aside
    - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
    - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
    - Remove A/C Condensor
    - Unhook headers
    - Unhook transmission linkage
    - Unhook transmission wiring
    - Unhook half-shafts
    - Remove clutch slave, set aside
    - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
- Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
    - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
    - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
    - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine,
otherwise.... more money)
- Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

But then.....
- I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB on
there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the Pantera
would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach I
engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
- I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but
I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it
work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
- If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting
doughnuts. (more money)
- If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system, ala
John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in the
engine bay)
- Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.

So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get that
darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and
"practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and
coveted my neighbors ponies.

Asa Jay    



& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).

 

Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor,
use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the
mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a
place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped something
big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels,
too.

 

Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 

 

Morally unemployed,

David in Durango

 

 

 

[1] next winter = appropriate economic time

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Asa Jay Laughton <mailto:asajay at asajay.com>  

To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 

Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM

Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

 

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
nnnnnnngh......
I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
It's winter........
I'm not driving the car......
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
Must.... resist.... temptation.

If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the
car and I can't have that.

must.... resist....

Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related

 

just in case you've forgotten.

 

Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!

 
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From cengles at cox.net  Sat Dec  3 17:35:46 2011
From: cengles at cox.net ( Charles Engles)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:35:46 -0600
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
In-Reply-To: <001a01ccb224$b0ac4b30$1204e190$@net>
References: <BEB64C29F3D848B4A483256711630B17@ZTxp>	<4EDA9041.1070108@asajay.com>	<62EB471FBC054D0D8FFF4316A4633B1B@ZTxp>	<4EDAB5E5.2090608@asajay.com>	<1322956979.21609.YahooMailNeo@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<001a01ccb224$b0ac4b30$1204e190$@net>
Message-ID: <002b01ccb225$0ba9e740$22fdb5c0$@net>

Dear Asa,


                 Ahem.  That should read:   John's email is filled with
words of wisdom.   


                                          My bad,  Chuck Engles

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Charles Engles
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
To: 'John Bentley'; 'Asa Jay Laughton'; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

Dear Asa,


                      John email is filled with words of wisdom.    


                                                 Warmest regards,  Chuck
Engles

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of John Bentley
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
To: Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

Asa,

You gotta stop this!  Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched
engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!  Don't worry about
the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and
run the 100 MPH class.  Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it again.
:)  My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way and if I
waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack stands.

Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!

JB


From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
You're excellency,

There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The
Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian on
their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a refrigerator specifically
designated for beer.  Although it's not normally stocked, it miraculously
fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay.  And one of the natives
has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.

I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an
original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the more
I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something, which I
sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and drive away.
So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the other... how cool
would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the
original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was
made?  ...   WOW!

The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in
-over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I
just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me
even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers
matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.

The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further
forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good
candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly
80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could use for new
rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again,
the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.

If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would
most likely happen in January and would look something like this:

- Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
- Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
    - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
    - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
    - Remove fan belts and fan
    - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
necessary)
    - Remove alternator
    - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
    - Remove carb, tape over intake
    - Remove distributor
    - Unbolt headers at head
    - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton,
MSgt, USAFR, Retired
    - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
    - Put the engine on a stand
- Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
- Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
    - Remove the decklid
    - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt
radiator)
    - Drain engine oil
    - Drain ZF gear oil
    - Unhook fuel line and cork
    - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
    - Unhook all wiring, set aside
    - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
    - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
    - Remove A/C Condensor
    - Unhook headers
    - Unhook transmission linkage
    - Unhook transmission wiring
    - Unhook half-shafts
    - Remove clutch slave, set aside
    - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
- Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
    - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
    - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
    - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine,
otherwise.... more money)
- Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

But then.....
- I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB on
there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the Pantera
would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach I
engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
- I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but
I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it
work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
- If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting
doughnuts. (more money)
- If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system, ala
John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in the
engine bay)
- Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.

So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get that
darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and
"practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and
coveted my neighbors ponies.

Asa Jay    
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism

On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).
 
Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor,
use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the
mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a
place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped something
big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels,
too.
 
Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 
 
Morally unemployed,
David in Durango
 
 
 
[1] next winter = appropriate economic time
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Asa Jay Laughton <mailto:asajay at asajay.com>  
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
nnnnnnngh......
I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
It's winter........
I'm not driving the car......
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
Must.... resist.... temptation.

If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the
car and I can't have that.

must.... resist....

Asa Jay
Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism

On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related
 
just in case you've forgotten.
 
Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!

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From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 17:52:11 -0800
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Well the fact is there is nothing -wrong- with the stock engine -in- the 
Pantera right now.  Except for doomsayer's like John (no offense 
intended) who keep a tinge of doubt in my mind, I have no qualms about 
running this engine at 100 MPH for 90 miles.  It needs nothing right now 
other than an oil and filter change, well and maybe a new radiator (or 
rebuilt, I'm working on that).

Granted, running it between WOT and full Brakes on the local track for 
20 minutes at a shot, or brutalizing it on an autocross course isn't the 
same.  Might it not survive 100 MPH for 90 miles?  Maybe.

Two years ago I replaced all the valve stem keepers and valve stem 
seals.  I've tuned it for no-knock on 92 Octane pump gas (of course it's 
a '73 de-tuned engine anyway.)  It has a full-roller timing set (after 
the stock set went south).  Okay, so it's not strictly stock, like Brock 
Tella stock, okay?

No worries though, I'm not about to spend a brazilian dollars on new 
parts for a new rebuild.  That comes secondary.  What the angst is about 
is whether to buy in to the idea the stock engine might grenade on 
course and instead run the engine I've built for the Mach I.  Details on 
that engine build are here:
http://www.asajay.com/351rebuild/351rebuild.htm

It's been running in the Mach I since 2001, just not been driven a whole 
lot.

<sigh>  I just need new shocks/springs, a new radiator, wheels and 
tires, an oil and filter change and I'll be ready.  But I'll also listen 
to other advice.  What other reasons are there that my engine as it is 
might not make it 90 miles at 100 MPH?

Asa Jay


Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
&  Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 5:35 PM,  Charles Engles wrote:
>
> Dear Asa,
>
>
>                  Ahem.  That should read: *John**'**s*email is filled 
> with words of wisdom.
>
>                                           My bad,  Chuck Engles
>
> *From:*tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com 
> [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com]*On Behalf Of*Charles Engles
> *Sent:*Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
> *To:*'John Bentley'; 'Asa Jay Laughton'; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Subject:*Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
> Dear Asa,
>
>                       John email is filled with words of wisdom.
>
>
>                                                  Warmest regards,  
> Chuck Engles
>
> *From:*tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com 
> [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com]*On Behalf Of*John Bentley
> *Sent:*Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
> *To:*Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Subject:*Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
> Asa,
>
> You gotta stop this!  Don't run Silver State with an original 
> un-touched engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!  
> Don't worry about the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and 
> just get it running and run the 100 MPH class.  Take smaller steps or 
> you will NEVER drive it again. :)  My garage is filled with parts I 
> have collected along the way and if I waited until they were all 
> installed it would never leave the jack stands.
>
> Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!
>
> JB
>
> *From:*Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> *To:*tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Sent:*Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
> *Subject:*Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
> You're excellency,
>
> There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for 
> The Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John 
> Christian on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a 
> refrigerator specifically designated for beer.  Although it's not 
> normally stocked, it miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop 
> cloth comes to stay.  And one of the natives has a "Hut" always well 
> stocked with pizza.
>
> I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's 
> an original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... 
> the more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking 
> something, which I sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, 
> fire it up and drive away.  So on the one hand, I really should swap 
> it, but on the other... how cool would it be to complete the SSCC in a 
> triple digit speed class, with the original numbers matching engine, 
> never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was made?  ...   WOW!
>
> The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it 
> in -over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  
> But I just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will 
> depress me even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is 
> -not- numbers matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want 
> without any angst.
>
> The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further 
> forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good 
> candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has 
> nearly 80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could 
> use for new rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they 
> are in.... again, the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the 
> moment.
>
> If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it 
> would most likely happen in January and would look something like this:
>
> - Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
> - Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
>     - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
>     - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
>     - Remove fan belts and fan
>     - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if 
> necessary)
>     - Remove alternator
>     - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
>     - Remove carb, tape over intake
>     - Remove distributor
>     - Unbolt headers at head
>     - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay 
> Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>     - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
>     - Put the engine on a stand
> - Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
> - Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
>     - Remove the decklid
>     - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or 
> rebuilt radiator)
>     - Drain engine oil
>     - Drain ZF gear oil
>     - Unhook fuel line and cork
>     - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
>     - Unhook all wiring, set aside
>     - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
>     - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
>     - Remove A/C Condensor
>     - Unhook headers
>     - Unhook transmission linkage
>     - Unhook transmission wiring
>     - Unhook half-shafts
>     - Remove clutch slave, set aside
>     - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
> - Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
>     - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
>     - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
>     - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine, 
> otherwise.... more money)
> - Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)
>
> But then.....
> - I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter 
> AFB on there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley 
> from the Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the higher 
> horsepower of the Mach I engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter 
> or do I re-jet the Holley?
> - I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera 
> but I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to 
> make it work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
> - If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting 
> doughnuts. (more money)
> - If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling 
> system, ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some 
> creative work in the engine bay)
> - Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.
>
> So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get 
> that darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my 
> bones and "practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.
>
> Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower 
> and coveted my neighbors ponies.
>
> Asa Jay
>
> & Shelley Marie
>
> Spokane, WA
>
> ******************************
>
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
>
> On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote:
>
> So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).
>
> Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera 
> motor, use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some 
> fun in the mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 
> days if he had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if 
> you dropped something big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might 
> even deliver your new wheels, too.
>
> Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . .
>
> Morally unemployed,
>
> David in Durango
>
> [1] next winter = appropriate economic time
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:*_Asa Jay Laughton_<mailto:asajay at asajay.com>
>
> *To:*_tpr at teampanteraracing.com_<mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>
> *Sent:*Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM
>
> *Subject:*Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>
> The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
> The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
> nnnnnnngh......
> I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
> rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
> It's winter........
> I'm not driving the car......
> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
> Must.... resist.... temptation.
>
> If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell 
> for the car and I can't have that.
>
> must.... resist....
>
> Asa Jay
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>
> & Shelley Marie
>
> Spokane, WA
>
> ******************************
>
> _http://www.racingagainstautism.com_
>
> _http://www.teampanteraracing.com_
>
> _http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism_
>
>
> On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related 
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related>
>
> just in case you've forgotten.
>
> Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
>
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From adin at frontier.net  Sat Dec  3 17:53:19 2011
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 18:53:19 -0700
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Young AJ,
Have to side w/ JB - scattering a motor at the event is probably no fun AND added expense.
Also, Chuck is right - choose your slope to match your SWMBO [1] and budget.

The $$$ thing that must be done is the clutch.  We have jets for the holley . . .   As I remember you do NEED the wheels/tires for the event, correct?  (Don't let the wheel cost keep you home. I'm sure the Pope could be encouraged to cut you some slack if needed.)  Seems like the other stuff could be added as funds become available.

Unless some of the museum pieces sell, I'll just be decorating the neighborhood for a while.  It sure would be nice to get the yellow car (Pantera) back in action . . . . .

Sleep on it. (here's a lullaby for you) mwahahahahaMWAHAHAHAHHAhem.
http://www.youtube.com/user/IckyOldMan#p/a/u/0/rsGxgysQxSM

I understand your angst (is that a word?), I often have suffer some sort of parallel sexual excitement when I hear a good motor or the Summit catalog arrives . . . . 

All the best to you and yours,

David




[1] She Who Must Be Obeyed
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Asa Jay Laughton 
  To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 4:51 PM
  Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .


  You're excellency,

  There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a refrigerator specifically designated for beer.  Although it's not normally stocked, it miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay.  And one of the natives has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.

  I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something, which I sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and drive away.  So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the other... how cool would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was made?  ...   WOW!

  The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in -over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.

  The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly 80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could use for new rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again, the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.

  If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would most likely happen in January and would look something like this:

  - Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
  - Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
      - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
      - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
      - Remove fan belts and fan
      - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if necessary)
      - Remove alternator
      - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
      - Remove carb, tape over intake
      - Remove distributor
      - Unbolt headers at head
      - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
      - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
      - Put the engine on a stand
  - Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
  - Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
      - Remove the decklid
      - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt radiator)
      - Drain engine oil
      - Drain ZF gear oil
      - Unhook fuel line and cork
      - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
      - Unhook all wiring, set aside
      - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
      - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
      - Remove A/C Condensor
      - Unhook headers
      - Unhook transmission linkage
      - Unhook transmission wiring
      - Unhook half-shafts
      - Remove clutch slave, set aside
      - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
  - Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
      - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
      - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
      - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine, otherwise.... more money)
  - Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

  But then.....
  - I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB on there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach I engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
  - I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
  - If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting doughnuts. (more money)
  - If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system, ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in the engine bay)
  - Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.

  So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get that darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and "practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

  Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and coveted my neighbors ponies.

  Asa Jay    



& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
  On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
    So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).

    Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor, use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped something big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels, too.

    Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 

    Morally unemployed,
    David in Durango



    [1] next winter = appropriate economic time
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Asa Jay Laughton 
      To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
      Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM
      Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .


      AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

      The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
      The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
      nnnnnnngh......
      I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
      rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
      It's winter........
      I'm not driving the car......
      mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
      Must.... resist.... temptation.

      If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the car and I can't have that.

      must.... resist....

      Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
      On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related

        just in case you've forgotten.

        Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!

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From adin at frontier.net  Sat Dec  3 18:05:58 2011
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:05:58 -0700
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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RE: [TPR] What we are about . . . .Oooh . . .IKNOWIKNOWIKNOW.

Let me try: two piece valves for $1000, Alex.

those old stock two-piece valves are a time bomb, as I understand it.

5/17 - 5/20 in Ely?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Asa Jay Laughton 
  To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .


  Well the fact is there is nothing -wrong- with the stock engine -in- the Pantera right now.  Except for doomsayer's like John (no offense intended) who keep a tinge of doubt in my mind, I have no qualms about running this engine at 100 MPH for 90 miles.  It needs nothing right now other than an oil and filter change, well and maybe a new radiator (or rebuilt, I'm working on that).

  Granted, running it between WOT and full Brakes on the local track for 20 minutes at a shot, or brutalizing it on an autocross course isn't the same.  Might it not survive 100 MPH for 90 miles?  Maybe.

  Two years ago I replaced all the valve stem keepers and valve stem seals.  I've tuned it for no-knock on 92 Octane pump gas (of course it's a '73 de-tuned engine anyway.)  It has a full-roller timing set (after the stock set went south).  Okay, so it's not strictly stock, like Brock Tella stock, okay?

  No worries though, I'm not about to spend a brazilian dollars on new parts for a new rebuild.  That comes secondary.  What the angst is about is whether to buy in to the idea the stock engine might grenade on course and instead run the engine I've built for the Mach I.  Details on that engine build are here:
  http://www.asajay.com/351rebuild/351rebuild.htm

  It's been running in the Mach I since 2001, just not been driven a whole lot.

  <sigh>  I just need new shocks/springs, a new radiator, wheels and tires, an oil and filter change and I'll be ready.  But I'll also listen to other advice.  What other reasons are there that my engine as it is might not make it 90 miles at 100 MPH?

  Asa Jay



Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
  On 12/3/2011 5:35 PM,  Charles Engles wrote: 
    Dear Asa,



                     Ahem.  That should read:   John's email is filled with words of wisdom.   


                                              My bad,  Chuck Engles


    From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Charles Engles
    Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
    To: 'John Bentley'; 'Asa Jay Laughton'; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
    Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .


    Dear Asa,


                          John email is filled with words of wisdom.    



                                                     Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

    From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of John Bentley
    Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
    To: Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
    Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .


    Asa,


    You gotta stop this!  Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!  Don't worry about the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and run the 100 MPH class.  Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it again. :)  My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way and if I waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack stands.


    Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!


    JB



    From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
    To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
    Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
    Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

    You're excellency,

    There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a refrigerator specifically designated for beer.  Although it's not normally stocked, it miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay.  And one of the natives has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.

    I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something, which I sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and drive away.  So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the other... how cool would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was made?  ...   WOW!

    The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in -over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.

    The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly 80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could use for new rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again, the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.

    If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would most likely happen in January and would look something like this:

    - Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
    - Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
        - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
        - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
        - Remove fan belts and fan
        - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if necessary)
        - Remove alternator
        - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
        - Remove carb, tape over intake
        - Remove distributor
        - Unbolt headers at head
        - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
        - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
        - Put the engine on a stand
    - Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
    - Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
        - Remove the decklid
        - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt radiator)
        - Drain engine oil
        - Drain ZF gear oil
        - Unhook fuel line and cork
        - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
        - Unhook all wiring, set aside
        - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
        - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
        - Remove A/C Condensor
        - Unhook headers
        - Unhook transmission linkage
        - Unhook transmission wiring
        - Unhook half-shafts
        - Remove clutch slave, set aside
        - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
    - Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
        - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
        - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
        - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine, otherwise.... more money)
    - Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

    But then.....
    - I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB on there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach I engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
    - I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
    - If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting doughnuts. (more money)
    - If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system, ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in the engine bay)
    - Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.

    So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get that darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and "practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

    Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and coveted my neighbors ponies.

    Asa Jay    

    & Shelley Marie

    Spokane, WA

    ******************************     

    http://www.racingagainstautism.com

    http://www.teampanteraracing.com

    http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


    On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

    So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).



    Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor, use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped something big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels, too.



    Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 



    Morally unemployed,

    David in Durango







    [1] next winter = appropriate economic time

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: Asa Jay Laughton 

    To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 

    Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM

    Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .


    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

    The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
    The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
    nnnnnnngh......
    I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
    rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
    It's winter........
    I'm not driving the car......
    mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
    Must.... resist.... temptation.

    If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the car and I can't have that.

    must.... resist....

    Asa Jay

    Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired

    & Shelley Marie

    Spokane, WA

    ******************************     

    http://www.racingagainstautism.com

    http://www.teampanteraracing.com

    http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


    On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related



    just in case you've forgotten.



    Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!


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From gndplne at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  3 20:50:15 2011
From: gndplne at yahoo.com (John Bentley)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 20:50:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Asa,

There is a difference between doomsdayer's and experience.

The single-grove keepers on the stock valves and the 2-piece construction of the valves are both time-bombs. (IMHO)? I doubt I would take a chance running an engine I really wanted to keep under those conditions in a long, high RPM event like SSCC.? If you want to see what happens when a stock valve let's go, I can $end you $ome picture$ or $hip you $ome part$.


If you want to run an old engine that's fine, but I would just pull the heads and replace the valves with some Manley stainless (and of course do a basic grind), and put all the rockers/springs/pushrods back where they came from and run the event.? Of course you'll have to pay attention to stuff like installed height and pushrod geometry, but any basic shop can help you with those things.?For around $500, you can be good to go.? And, its easy to do with the engine block/trans in the car.

We all want to see you run the event, so let us know what we can do to help.? Its TEAM Pantera Racing! :)


JB




________________________________
 From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
 

Well the fact is there is nothing -wrong- with the stock engine -in- the Pantera right now.? Except for doomsayer's like John (no offense intended) who keep a tinge of doubt in my mind, I have no qualms about running this engine at 100 MPH for 90 miles.? It needs nothing right now other than an oil and filter change, well and maybe a new radiator (or rebuilt, I'm working on that).

Granted, running it between WOT and full Brakes on the local track
    for 20 minutes at a shot, or brutalizing it on an autocross course
    isn't the same.? Might it not survive 100 MPH for 90 miles?? Maybe.

Two years ago I replaced all the valve stem keepers and valve stem
    seals.? I've tuned it for no-knock on 92 Octane pump gas (of course
    it's a '73 de-tuned engine anyway.)? It has a full-roller timing set
    (after the stock set went south).? Okay, so it's not strictly stock,
    like Brock Tella stock, okay?

No worries though, I'm not about to spend a brazilian dollars on new
    parts for a new rebuild.? That comes secondary.? What the angst is
    about is whether to buy in to the idea the stock engine might
    grenade on course and instead run the engine I've built for the Mach
    I.? Details on that engine build are here:
http://www.asajay.com/351rebuild/351rebuild.htm

It's been running in the Mach I since 2001, just not been driven a
    whole lot.

<sigh>? I just need new shocks/springs, a new radiator, wheels
    and tires, an oil and filter change and I'll be ready.? But I'll
    also listen to other advice.? What other reasons are there that my
    engine as it is might not make it 90 miles at 100 MPH?

Asa Jay



Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
On 12/3/2011 5:35 PM,? Charles Engles wrote: 
RE: [TPR] What we are about . . . . 
>Dear Asa,
>
>???????????????? Ahem.? That should read:??John?semail is filled with words of wisdom.?? 
>????????????????????????????????????????? My bad,? Chuck Engles
>From:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com]On Behalf OfCharles Engles
>Sent:Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
>To:'John Bentley'; 'Asa Jay Laughton'; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>Subject:Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>Dear Asa,
>????????????????????? John email is filled with words of wisdom. ???
>
>???????????????????????????????????????????????? Warmest regards,? Chuck Engles
>From:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com]On Behalf OfJohn Bentley
>Sent:Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
>To:Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>Subject:Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>Asa,
>You gotta stop this!? Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!? Don't worry about the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and run the 100 MPH class.? Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it again. :)? My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way and if I waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack stands.
>Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!
>JB
>From:Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
>To:tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>Sent:Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
>Subject:Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>You're excellency,
>
>There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research
            Institute for The Pope.? The last transients to stay here
            were Mike Drew and John Christian on their way to the Rocky
            Mountain Tour.? I have a refrigerator specifically
            designated for beer.? Although it's not normally stocked, it
            miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to
            stay.? And one of the natives has a "Hut" always well
            stocked with pizza.
>
>I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the
            Pantera.? It's an original numbers matching, never been
            rebuilt, still runs.? Yes.... the more I drive it -hard-,
            the more I take a chance on breaking something, which I
            sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up
            and drive away.? So on the one hand, I really should swap
            it, but on the other... how cool would it be to complete the
            SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the original
            numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after
            it was made?? ...?? WOW!
>
>The Mach I could sit without an engine.? I haven't actually
            driven it in -over- a year.? It's really in a sad state of
            bodywork and paint.? But I just know if it sits for -long-
            without an engine.... it will depress me even further as to
            it's non-driven state.? That engine is -not- numbers
            matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want
            without any angst.
>
>The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still
            waiting further forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this
            winter.? It isn't a good candidate for a rebuild; it was
            bored .030" over last time and has nearly 80K miles on it or
            so.? I have three others stored that I could use for new
            rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are
            in.... again, the Northwest PRI has no money for research at
            the moment.
>
>If the angels granted this kind of project could be
            undertaken, it would most likely happen in January and would
            look something like this:
>
>- Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
>- Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a
            day)
>??? - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses,
            remove radiator
>??? - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
>??? - Remove fan belts and fan
>??? - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook
            hoses if necessary)
>??? - Remove alternator
>??? - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
>??? - Remove carb, tape over intake
>??? - Remove distributor
>??? - Unbolt headers at head
>??? - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa
            Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>??? - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
>??? - Put the engine on a stand
>- Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
>- Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a
            day)
>??? - Remove the decklid
>??? - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs
            new or rebuilt radiator)
>??? - Drain engine oil
>??? - Drain ZF gear oil
>??? - Unhook fuel line and cork
>??? - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
>??? - Unhook all wiring, set aside
>??? - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
>??? - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
>??? - Remove A/C Condensor
>??? - Unhook headers
>??? - Unhook transmission linkage
>??? - Unhook transmission wiring
>??? - Unhook half-shafts
>??? - Remove clutch slave, set aside
>??? - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
>- Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
>??? - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
>??? - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't
            have one (money)
>??? - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they
            are fine, otherwise.... more money)
>- Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)
>
>But then.....
>- I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.? The
            Carter AFB on there works, but not as optimally as it
            should.? The Holley from the Pantera would work, but it's
            not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach I engine.? Do
            I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
>- I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in
            the Pantera but I'd need to wire up a computer box in the
            engine compartment to make it work.? Best to do that while
            the engine is out. (more money)
>- If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the
            rubber mounting doughnuts. (more money)
>- If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the
            cooling system, ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more
            money and some creative work in the engine bay)
>- Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they
            aren't being used.
>
>So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.?
            But I get that darn thundering clapping sound from a good
            strong V8 engine in my bones and "practicality" begins to
            get awfully transparent.
>
>Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more
            horsepower and coveted my neighbors ponies.
>
>Asa Jay ?? 
>& Shelley Marie
>Spokane, WA
>******************************???? 
>http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
>On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
>So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?? Hot motor? (well, usable).
>?
>Swap them out!? If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor, use it for the dream rebuild? "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the mean time.? I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.? That way, if you dropped something big, you would have back up!? Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels, too.
>?
>Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 
>?
>Morally unemployed,
>David in Durango
>?
>?
>?
>[1] next winter = appropriate economic time
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From:Asa Jay Laughton
>To:tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>Sent:Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM
>Subject:Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>
>The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
>The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the
            Pantera.....
>nnnnnnngh......
>I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
>rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
>It's winter........
>I'm not driving the car......
>mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
>Must.... resist.... temptation.
>
>If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the
            death nell for the car and I can't have that.
>
>must.... resist....
>
>Asa Jay
>Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>& Shelley Marie
>Spokane, WA
>******************************???? 
>http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
>On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related
>?
>just in case you've forgotten.
>?
>Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
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From bob at radefeld.com  Sun Dec  4 06:01:36 2011
From: bob at radefeld.com (bob Radefeld)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 08:01:36 -0600
Subject: [TPR] What we are about
Message-ID: <CA+4z8QC7bxFKtFpiyzc6=MoAr0uZnkFd3BSVFVnjZpFgR_BZvg@mail.gmail.com>

Asa,

IMHO, JB's advice would be the least expensive & most reassuring way to
race & still keep the original block in your car. Had I known when I bought
my car that it still had two piece valves in it I would have changed them
out in a heartbeat! Sadly, I had to find out the hard way at a local track
event but was very lucky to not do enough damage to ruin my original
block......WHEW!! Please consider this alternative very carefully & GOOD
Luck..........


Bob (been there, done that!)
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From cengles at cox.net  Sun Dec  4 07:06:37 2011
From: cengles at cox.net ( Charles Engles)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 09:06:37 -0600
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Dear Mr. Not Completely Stock Engine Owner,

 

 

 

                  My biggest concern was with the lousy plastic timing gear
and you've taken care of that.  I had forgotten about the two piece valves.
I think the best and most unpleasant comments on that are from JB and
Rowdy.   To paraphrase one of my favorite quotes for this situation: "As
long as nothing happens to the engine, there's no danger."

 

                   Perhaps for the least financial cost, the Mustang engine
transplant might the best deal.  You said that the biggest dollar cost would
be adjusting or rebuilding the carb for it's new situation in the Pantera.
You could put the Pantera engine on a stand and then....put the Mustang on
the proverbial back burner of "when I get 'round tuit" and/or begin another
engine build from those three re-builders you have for a Mustang powerplant.

 

 

                                     Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

 

 

 

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Asa Jay Laughton
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:52 PM
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

 

Well the fact is there is nothing -wrong- with the stock engine -in- the
Pantera right now.  Except for doomsayer's like John (no offense intended)
who keep a tinge of doubt in my mind, I have no qualms about running this
engine at 100 MPH for 90 miles.  It needs nothing right now other than an
oil and filter change, well and maybe a new radiator (or rebuilt, I'm
working on that).

Granted, running it between WOT and full Brakes on the local track for 20
minutes at a shot, or brutalizing it on an autocross course isn't the same.
Might it not survive 100 MPH for 90 miles?  Maybe.

Two years ago I replaced all the valve stem keepers and valve stem seals.
I've tuned it for no-knock on 92 Octane pump gas (of course it's a '73
de-tuned engine anyway.)  It has a full-roller timing set (after the stock
set went south).  Okay, so it's not strictly stock, like Brock Tella stock,
okay?

No worries though, I'm not about to spend a brazilian dollars on new parts
for a new rebuild.  That comes secondary.  What the angst is about is
whether to buy in to the idea the stock engine might grenade on course and
instead run the engine I've built for the Mach I.  Details on that engine
build are here:
http://www.asajay.com/351rebuild/351rebuild.htm

It's been running in the Mach I since 2001, just not been driven a whole
lot.

<sigh>  I just need new shocks/springs, a new radiator, wheels and tires, an
oil and filter change and I'll be ready.  But I'll also listen to other
advice.  What other reasons are there that my engine as it is might not make
it 90 miles at 100 MPH?

Asa Jay





Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 5:35 PM,  Charles Engles wrote: 

Dear Asa,

 

                 Ahem.  That should read:   John's email is filled with
words of wisdom.   

                                          My bad,  Chuck Engles

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Charles Engles
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
To: 'John Bentley'; 'Asa Jay Laughton'; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

Dear Asa,

                      John email is filled with words of wisdom.    

 

                                                 Warmest regards,  Chuck
Engles

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of John Bentley
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
To: Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

Asa,

You gotta stop this!  Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched
engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!  Don't worry about
the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and
run the 100 MPH class.  Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it again.
:)  My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way and if I
waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack stands.

Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!

JB

From: Asa Jay Laughton  <mailto:asajay at asajay.com> <asajay at asajay.com>
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

You're excellency,

There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The
Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian on
their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a refrigerator specifically
designated for beer.  Although it's not normally stocked, it miraculously
fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay.  And one of the natives
has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.

I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an
original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the more
I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something, which I
sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and drive away.
So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the other... how cool
would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the
original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was
made?  ...   WOW!

The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in
-over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I
just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me
even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers
matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.

The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further
forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good
candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly
80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could use for new
rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again,
the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.

If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would
most likely happen in January and would look something like this:

- Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
- Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
    - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
    - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
    - Remove fan belts and fan
    - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
necessary)
    - Remove alternator
    - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
    - Remove carb, tape over intake
    - Remove distributor
    - Unbolt headers at head
    - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton,
MSgt, USAFR, Retired
    - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
    - Put the engine on a stand
- Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
- Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
    - Remove the decklid
    - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt
radiator)
    - Drain engine oil
    - Drain ZF gear oil
    - Unhook fuel line and cork
    - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
    - Unhook all wiring, set aside
    - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
    - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
    - Remove A/C Condensor
    - Unhook headers
    - Unhook transmission linkage
    - Unhook transmission wiring
    - Unhook half-shafts
    - Remove clutch slave, set aside
    - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
- Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
    - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
    - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
    - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine,
otherwise.... more money)
- Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

But then.....
- I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB on
there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the Pantera
would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach I
engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
- I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but
I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it
work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
- If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting
doughnuts. (more money)
- If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system, ala
John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in the
engine bay)
- Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.

So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get that
darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and
"practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and
coveted my neighbors ponies.

Asa Jay    

& Shelley Marie

Spokane, WA

******************************     

http://www.racingagainstautism.com

http://www.teampanteraracing.com

http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).

 

Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor,
use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the
mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a
place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped something
big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels,
too.

 

Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 

 

Morally unemployed,

David in Durango

 

 

 

[1] next winter = appropriate economic time

----- Original Message ----- 

From:  <mailto:asajay at asajay.com> Asa Jay Laughton 

To:  <mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com> tpr at teampanteraracing.com 

Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM

Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
nnnnnnngh......
I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
It's winter........
I'm not driving the car......
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
Must.... resist.... temptation.

If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the
car and I can't have that.

must.... resist....

Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired

& Shelley Marie

Spokane, WA

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On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

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&feature=related

 

just in case you've forgotten.

 

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From bob at radefeld.com  Sun Dec  4 08:13:32 2011
From: bob at radefeld.com (bob Radefeld)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 10:13:32 -0600
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Dear Chuck,

Weren't you one of the folks with advice regarding the "slippery slope"
syndrome that so easily occurs when one pulls his engine? That certainly
applied to me when my engine came out of my car & I've got a hunch it could
very easily infect Asa if he swaps engines. If he can somehow "immunize"
himself against this happening then YES, I would agree that swapping
engines might allow for a smaller outlay of $$ for him. Personally,
however, I would pull only the heads & be more assured that my chances of
sliding were minimized to the max.........FWIW.


Bob




On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:

>  Dear Mr. Not Completely Stock Engine Owner,****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
>                   My biggest concern was with the lousy plastic timing
> gear and you?ve taken care of that.  I had forgotten about the two piece
> valves.  I think the best and most unpleasant comments on that are from JB
> and  Rowdy.   To paraphrase one of my favorite quotes for this situation:
> ?As long as nothing happens to the engine, there?s no danger.?****
>
> ** **
>
>                    Perhaps for the least financial cost, the Mustang
> engine transplant might the best deal.  You said that the biggest dollar
> cost would be adjusting or rebuilding the carb for it?s new situation in
> the Pantera.   You could put the Pantera engine on a stand and then??..put
> the Mustang on the proverbial back burner of ?when I get ?round tuit?
> and/or begin another engine build from those three re-builders you have for
> a Mustang powerplant.****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
>                                      Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Fr*om:* tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [mailto:
> tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] *On Behalf Of *Asa Jay Laughton
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:52 PM
> *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
>   ** **
>
> Well the fact is there is nothing -wrong- with the stock engine -in- the
> Pantera right now.  Except for doomsayer's like John (no offense intended)
> who keep a tinge of doubt in my mind, I have no qualms about running this
> engine at 100 MPH for 90 miles.  It needs nothing right now other than an
> oil and filter change, well and maybe a new radiator (or rebuilt, I'm
> working on that).
>
> Granted, running it between WOT and full Brakes on the local track for 20
> minutes at a shot, or brutalizing it on an autocross course isn't the
> same.  Might it not survive 100 MPH for 90 miles?  Maybe.
>
> Two years ago I replaced all the valve stem keepers and valve stem seals.
> I've tuned it for no-knock on 92 Octane pump gas (of course it's a '73
> de-tuned engine anyway.)  It has a full-roller timing set (after the stock
> set went south).  Okay, so it's not strictly stock, like Brock Tella stock,
> okay?
>
> No worries though, I'm not about to spend a brazilian dollars on new parts
> for a new rebuild.  That comes secondary.  What the angst is about is
> whether to buy in to the idea the stock engine might grenade on course and
> instead run the engine I've built for the Mach I.  Details on that engine
> build are here:
> http://www.asajay.com/351rebuild/351rebuild.htm
>
> It's been running in the Mach I since 2001, just not been driven a whole
> lot.
>
> <sigh>  I just need new shocks/springs, a new radiator, wheels and tires,
> an oil and filter change and I'll be ready.  But I'll also listen to other
> advice.  What other reasons are there that my engine as it is might not
> make it 90 miles at 100 MPH?
>
> Asa Jay
>
>
>
> ****
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired****
>
> & Shelley Marie****
>
> Spokane, WA****
>
> ******************************     ****
>
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com****
>
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com****
>
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism****
>
>
> On 12/3/2011 5:35 PM,  Charles Engles wrote: ****
>
> Dear Asa,****
>
> ** **
>
>                  Ahem.  That should read:  * **John?s* email is filled
> with words of wisdom.   ****
>
>                                           My bad,  Chuck Engles****
>
> *From:* tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [
> mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com<tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com>
> ]* **On Behalf Of* Charles Engles
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
> *To:* 'John Bentley'; 'Asa Jay Laughton'; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
> Dear Asa,****
>
>                       John email is filled with words of wisdom.    ****
>
> ** **
>
>                                                  Warmest regards,  Chuck
> Engles****
>
> *From:* tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [
> mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com<tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com>
> ]* **On Behalf Of* John Bentley
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
> *To:* Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
> Asa,****
>
> You gotta stop this!  Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched
> engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!  Don't worry about
> the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and
> run the 100 MPH class.  Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it
> again. :)  My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way
> and if I waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack
> stands.****
>
> Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!*
> ***
>
> JB****
>
> *From:* Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> <asajay at asajay.com>
> *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
> You're excellency,
>
> There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The
> Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian
> on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a refrigerator
> specifically designated for beer.  Although it's not normally stocked, it
> miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay.  And one
> of the natives has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.
>
> I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an
> original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the
> more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something,
> which I sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and
> drive away.  So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the
> other... how cool would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed
> class, with the original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40
> years after it was made?  ...   WOW!
>
> The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in
> -over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I
> just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me
> even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers
> matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.
>
> The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further
> forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good
> candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly
> 80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could use for new
> rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again,
> the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.
>
> If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would
> most likely happen in January and would look something like this:
>
> - Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
> - Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
>     - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
>     - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
>     - Remove fan belts and fan
>     - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
> necessary)
>     - Remove alternator
>     - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
>     - Remove carb, tape over intake
>     - Remove distributor
>     - Unbolt headers at head
>     - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton,
> MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>     - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
>     - Put the engine on a stand
> - Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
> - Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
>     - Remove the decklid
>     - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt
> radiator)
>     - Drain engine oil
>     - Drain ZF gear oil
>     - Unhook fuel line and cork
>     - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
>     - Unhook all wiring, set aside
>     - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
>     - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
>     - Remove A/C Condensor
>     - Unhook headers
>     - Unhook transmission linkage
>     - Unhook transmission wiring
>     - Unhook half-shafts
>     - Remove clutch slave, set aside
>     - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
> - Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
>     - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
>     - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
>     - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine,
> otherwise.... more money)
> - Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)
>
> But then.....
> - I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB on
> there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the
> Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach
> I engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
> - I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but
> I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it
> work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
> - If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting
> doughnuts. (more money)
> - If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system,
> ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in
> the engine bay)
> - Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.
>
> So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get that
> darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and
> "practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.
>
> Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and
> coveted my neighbors ponies.
>
> Asa Jay    ****
>
> & Shelley Marie****
>
> Spokane, WA****
>
> ******************************     ****
>
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com****
>
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> On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: ****
>
> So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).****
>
>  ****
>
> Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera
> motor, use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in
> the mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he
> had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped
> something big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your
> new wheels, too.****
>
>  ****
>
> Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . ****
>
>  ****
>
> Morally unemployed,****
>
> David in Durango****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> [1] next winter = appropriate economic time****
>
> ----- Original Message ----- ****
>
> *From:* Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> ****
>
> *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com ****
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM****
>
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>
> The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
> The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
> nnnnnnngh......
> I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
> rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
> It's winter........
> I'm not driving the car......
> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
> Must.... resist.... temptation.
>
> If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for
> the car and I can't have that.
>
> must.... resist....
>
> Asa Jay****
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired****
>
> & Shelley Marie****
>
> Spokane, WA****
>
> ******************************     ****
>
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com****
>
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com****
>
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism****
>
>
> On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: ****
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related****
>
>  ****
>
> just in case you've forgotten.****
>
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From asajay at asajay.com  Sun Dec  4 09:15:09 2011
From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 09:15:09 -0800
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Aaaaaaargh,

Keep talkin'... yea... go ahead.... just KEEEEEEP Talkin'


New valves
New retainers
New keepers
- figure on the guides needed replaced or sleeved
- new three-angle valve job
- assuming no seats need to be replaced (would be nice to put hardened 
seats in)
- should machine the guides for positive-type seals
- MUST maintain proper valve stem installed height due to bolt-down rockers
- can't have the head faced, or it throws off the rocker install

The slippery slope....
- while I'm in there, I should go ahead and replace the cam/lifters
- but then I'd probably need to consider an adjustable valve train
- I'd like to move to head studs (yea, a bit more difficult to remove 
the heads from the engine bay)
- If I'm in that far, it would be nice to swap all the bearings
- but if I'm in that far I should check the cylinders and replace the 
rings on the pistons
- but if I find out I have too much slop in the cylinders I should get 
it bored .010 over or so
- which leads to new pistons
- hmmm, I've been thinkin' about a stroker for the next build....
- Sam "Okay 'grandpa' now that it's 2020, when you are going to fix the 
Pantera so I can drive it?"

Back to reality.  Advantages:
- replaces all those two-piece valves
- gives me the chance to swap the intake to one of the FPP dual-plane 
models I have

Disadvantages:
- cost
- doesn't replace that one noisy lifter that comes and goes

Swap the engine from the Mach I:
- new fluids.
- new pilot bearing.
- not as slippery of a slope.

I'll probably stay torn on this for a while.
Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
&  Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism


On 12/4/2011 8:13 AM, bob Radefeld wrote:
> Dear Chuck,
> Weren't you one of the folks with advice regarding the "slippery 
> slope" syndrome that so easily occurs when one pulls his engine? That 
> certainly applied to me when my engine came out of my car & I've got a 
> hunch it could very easily infect Asa if he swaps engines. If he can 
> somehow "immunize" himself against this happening then YES, I would 
> agree that swapping engines might allow for a smaller outlay of $$ for 
> him. Personally, however, I would pull only the heads & be more 
> assured that my chances of sliding were minimized to the max.........FWIW.
> Bob
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net 
> <mailto:cengles at cox.net>> wrote:
>
>     Dear Mr. Not Completely Stock Engine Owner,
>
>                       My biggest concern was with the lousy plastic
>     timing gear and you?ve taken care of that.  I had forgotten about
>     the two piece valves.  I think the best and most unpleasant
>     comments on that are from JB and  Rowdy.   To paraphrase one of my
>     favorite quotes for this situation: ?As long as nothing happens to
>     the engine, there?s no danger.?
>
>                        Perhaps for the least financial cost, the
>     Mustang engine transplant might the best deal.  You said that the
>     biggest dollar cost would be adjusting or rebuilding the carb for
>     it?s new situation in the Pantera.   You could put the Pantera
>     engine on a stand and then??..put the Mustang on the proverbial
>     back burner of ?when I get ?round tuit? and/or begin another
>     engine build from those three re-builders you have for a Mustang
>     powerplant.
>
>                                          Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
>
>     Fr*om:*tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
>     <mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com>
>     [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
>     <mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com>] *On Behalf Of *Asa Jay
>     Laughton
>     *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:52 PM
>     *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com <mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>
>     *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
>     Well the fact is there is nothing -wrong- with the stock engine
>     -in- the Pantera right now.  Except for doomsayer's like John (no
>     offense intended) who keep a tinge of doubt in my mind, I have no
>     qualms about running this engine at 100 MPH for 90 miles.  It
>     needs nothing right now other than an oil and filter change, well
>     and maybe a new radiator (or rebuilt, I'm working on that).
>
>     Granted, running it between WOT and full Brakes on the local track
>     for 20 minutes at a shot, or brutalizing it on an autocross course
>     isn't the same.  Might it not survive 100 MPH for 90 miles?  Maybe.
>
>     Two years ago I replaced all the valve stem keepers and valve stem
>     seals.  I've tuned it for no-knock on 92 Octane pump gas (of
>     course it's a '73 de-tuned engine anyway.)  It has a full-roller
>     timing set (after the stock set went south).  Okay, so it's not
>     strictly stock, like Brock Tella stock, okay?
>
>     No worries though, I'm not about to spend a brazilian dollars on
>     new parts for a new rebuild.  That comes secondary.  What the
>     angst is about is whether to buy in to the idea the stock engine
>     might grenade on course and instead run the engine I've built for
>     the Mach I.  Details on that engine build are here:
>     http://www.asajay.com/351rebuild/351rebuild.htm
>
>     It's been running in the Mach I since 2001, just not been driven a
>     whole lot.
>
>     <sigh>  I just need new shocks/springs, a new radiator, wheels and
>     tires, an oil and filter change and I'll be ready.  But I'll also
>     listen to other advice.  What other reasons are there that my
>     engine as it is might not make it 90 miles at 100 MPH?
>
>     Asa Jay
>
>
>
>     Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>
>     &  Shelley Marie
>
>     Spokane, WA
>
>     ******************************
>
>     http://www.racingagainstautism.com  <http://www.racingagainstautism.com/>
>
>     http://www.teampanteraracing.com  <http://www.teampanteraracing.com/>
>
>     http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
>
>     On 12/3/2011 5:35 PM,  Charles Engles wrote:
>
>     Dear Asa,
>
>                      Ahem.  That should read: ***John?s*email is
>     filled with words of wisdom.
>
>                                               My bad,  Chuck Engles
>
>     *From:*tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
>     <mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com>
>     [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com]***On Behalf Of* Charles
>     Engles
>     *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
>     *To:* 'John Bentley'; 'Asa Jay Laughton';
>     tpr at teampanteraracing.com <mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>     *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
>     Dear Asa,
>
>                           John email is filled with words of wisdom.
>
>                                                      Warmest regards, 
>     Chuck Engles
>
>     *From:*tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
>     <mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com>
>     [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com]***On Behalf Of* John
>     Bentley
>     *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
>     *To:* Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>     <mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>     *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
>     Asa,
>
>     You gotta stop this!  Don't run Silver State with an original
>     un-touched engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile
>     25!  Don't worry about the long list of $20k worth of parts you
>     WANT and just get it running and run the 100 MPH class.  Take
>     smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it again. :)  My garage is
>     filled with parts I have collected along the way and if I waited
>     until they were all installed it would never leave the jack stands.
>
>     Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your
>     engine......!
>
>     JB
>
>     *From:*Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> <mailto:asajay at asajay.com>
>     *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com <mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>     *Sent:* Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
>     You're excellency,
>
>     There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute
>     for The Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and
>     John Christian on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a
>     refrigerator specifically designated for beer.  Although it's not
>     normally stocked, it miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop
>     cloth comes to stay.  And one of the natives has a "Hut" always
>     well stocked with pizza.
>
>     I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera. 
>     It's an original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still
>     runs.  Yes.... the more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a
>     chance on breaking something, which I sometimes have angst
>     about.... until I climb in, fire it up and drive away.  So on the
>     one hand, I really should swap it, but on the other... how cool
>     would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed class,
>     with the original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40
>     years after it was made?  ...   WOW!
>
>     The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven
>     it in -over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and
>     paint.  But I just know if it sits for -long- without an
>     engine.... it will depress me even further as to it's non-driven
>     state.  That engine is -not- numbers matching and I could pretty
>     much put it anywhere I want without any angst.
>
>     The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting
>     further forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It
>     isn't a good candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last
>     time and has nearly 80K miles on it or so.  I have three others
>     stored that I could use for new rebuilt platforms, but I don't
>     know what condition they are in.... again, the Northwest PRI has
>     no money for research at the moment.
>
>     If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it
>     would most likely happen in January and would look something like
>     this:
>
>     - Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
>     - Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
>         - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove
>     radiator
>         - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
>         - Remove fan belts and fan
>         - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
>     necessary)
>         - Remove alternator
>         - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
>         - Remove carb, tape over intake
>         - Remove distributor
>         - Unbolt headers at head
>         - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay
>     Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>         - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
>         - Put the engine on a stand
>     - Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
>     - Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
>         - Remove the decklid
>         - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or
>     rebuilt radiator)
>         - Drain engine oil
>         - Drain ZF gear oil
>         - Unhook fuel line and cork
>         - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
>         - Unhook all wiring, set aside
>         - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
>         - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
>         - Remove A/C Condensor
>         - Unhook headers
>         - Unhook transmission linkage
>         - Unhook transmission wiring
>         - Unhook half-shafts
>         - Remove clutch slave, set aside
>         - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
>     - Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
>         - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
>         - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one
>     (money)
>         - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are
>     fine, otherwise.... more money)
>     - Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)
>
>     But then.....
>     - I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The
>     Carter AFB on there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The
>     Holley from the Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the
>     higher horsepower of the Mach I engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune
>     the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
>     - I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the
>     Pantera but I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine
>     compartment to make it work.  Best to do that while the engine is
>     out. (more money)
>     - If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber
>     mounting doughnuts. (more money)
>     - If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling
>     system, ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some
>     creative work in the engine bay)
>     - Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't
>     being used.
>
>     So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I
>     get that darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8
>     engine in my bones and "practicality" begins to get awfully
>     transparent.
>
>     Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more
>     horsepower and coveted my neighbors ponies.
>
>     Asa Jay
>
>     & Shelley Marie
>
>     Spokane, WA
>
>     ******************************
>
>     http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>     <http://www.racingagainstautism.com/>
>
>     http://www.teampanteraracing.com <http://www.teampanteraracing.com/>
>
>     http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
>
>     On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote:
>
>     So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).
>
>     Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the
>     Pantera motor, use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and
>     have some fun in the mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate
>     labor for 3-4 days if he had a place to stay and beer/pizza
>     rations.  That way, if you dropped something big, you would have
>     back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels, too.
>
>     Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . .
>
>     Morally unemployed,
>
>     David in Durango
>
>     [1] next winter = appropriate economic time
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>
>     *From:* Asa Jay Laughton <mailto:asajay at asajay.com>
>
>     *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com <mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>
>     *Sent:*Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM
>
>     *Subject:*Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>
>     AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>
>     The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
>     The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
>     nnnnnnngh......
>     I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
>     rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
>     It's winter........
>     I'm not driving the car......
>     mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
>     Must.... resist.... temptation.
>
>     If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death
>     nell for the car and I can't have that.
>
>     must.... resist....
>
>     Asa Jay
>
>     Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>
>     & Shelley Marie
>
>     Spokane, WA
>
>     ******************************
>
>     http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>     <http://www.racingagainstautism.com/>
>
>     http://www.teampanteraracing.com <http://www.teampanteraracing.com/>
>
>     http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
>
>     On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote:
>
>     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related
>     <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related>
>
>     just in case you've forgotten.
>
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From cengles at cox.net  Sun Dec  4 09:19:16 2011
From: cengles at cox.net ( Charles Engles)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 11:19:16 -0600
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Dear Bob,

 

 

                   In my opinion it is always a slippery slope and planning
helps to keep you from ending up on the black slope with the moguls...

 

 

                                    Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

 

From: bob Radefeld [mailto:bob at radefeld.com] 
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:14 AM
To: Charles Engles
Cc: Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

 

Dear Chuck,

 

Weren't you one of the folks with advice regarding the "slippery slope"
syndrome that so easily occurs when one pulls his engine? That certainly
applied to me when my engine came out of my car & I've got a hunch it could
very easily infect Asa if he swaps engines. If he can somehow "immunize"
himself against this happening then YES, I would agree that swapping engines
might allow for a smaller outlay of $$ for him. Personally, however, I would
pull only the heads & be more assured that my chances of sliding were
minimized to the max.........FWIW.

 

 

Bob 

 



 

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:

Dear Mr. Not Completely Stock Engine Owner,

 

 

 

                  My biggest concern was with the lousy plastic timing gear
and you've taken care of that.  I had forgotten about the two piece valves.
I think the best and most unpleasant comments on that are from JB and
Rowdy.   To paraphrase one of my favorite quotes for this situation: "As
long as nothing happens to the engine, there's no danger."

 

                   Perhaps for the least financial cost, the Mustang engine
transplant might the best deal.  You said that the biggest dollar cost would
be adjusting or rebuilding the carb for it's new situation in the Pantera.
You could put the Pantera engine on a stand and then....put the Mustang on
the proverbial back burner of "when I get 'round tuit" and/or begin another
engine build from those three re-builders you have for a Mustang powerplant.

 

 

                                     Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

 

 

 

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Asa Jay Laughton
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:52 PM
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 


Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

 

Well the fact is there is nothing -wrong- with the stock engine -in- the
Pantera right now.  Except for doomsayer's like John (no offense intended)
who keep a tinge of doubt in my mind, I have no qualms about running this
engine at 100 MPH for 90 miles.  It needs nothing right now other than an
oil and filter change, well and maybe a new radiator (or rebuilt, I'm
working on that).

Granted, running it between WOT and full Brakes on the local track for 20
minutes at a shot, or brutalizing it on an autocross course isn't the same.
Might it not survive 100 MPH for 90 miles?  Maybe.

Two years ago I replaced all the valve stem keepers and valve stem seals.
I've tuned it for no-knock on 92 Octane pump gas (of course it's a '73
de-tuned engine anyway.)  It has a full-roller timing set (after the stock
set went south).  Okay, so it's not strictly stock, like Brock Tella stock,
okay?

No worries though, I'm not about to spend a brazilian dollars on new parts
for a new rebuild.  That comes secondary.  What the angst is about is
whether to buy in to the idea the stock engine might grenade on course and
instead run the engine I've built for the Mach I.  Details on that engine
build are here:
http://www.asajay.com/351rebuild/351rebuild.htm

It's been running in the Mach I since 2001, just not been driven a whole
lot.

<sigh>  I just need new shocks/springs, a new radiator, wheels and tires, an
oil and filter change and I'll be ready.  But I'll also listen to other
advice.  What other reasons are there that my engine as it is might not make
it 90 miles at 100 MPH?

Asa Jay




Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
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On 12/3/2011 5:35 PM,  Charles Engles wrote: 

Dear Asa,

 

                 Ahem.  That should read:   John's email is filled with
words of wisdom.   

                                          My bad,  Chuck Engles

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Charles Engles
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
To: 'John Bentley'; 'Asa Jay Laughton'; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

Dear Asa,

                      John email is filled with words of wisdom.    

 

                                                 Warmest regards,  Chuck
Engles

From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of John Bentley
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
To: Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

Asa,

You gotta stop this!  Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched
engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!  Don't worry about
the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and
run the 100 MPH class.  Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it again.
:)  My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way and if I
waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack stands.

Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!

JB

From: Asa Jay Laughton  <mailto:asajay at asajay.com> <asajay at asajay.com>
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

You're excellency,

There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The
Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian on
their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a refrigerator specifically
designated for beer.  Although it's not normally stocked, it miraculously
fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay.  And one of the natives
has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.

I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an
original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the more
I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something, which I
sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and drive away.
So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the other... how cool
would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the
original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was
made?  ...   WOW!

The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in
-over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I
just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me
even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers
matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.

The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further
forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good
candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly
80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could use for new
rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again,
the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.

If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would
most likely happen in January and would look something like this:

- Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
- Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
    - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
    - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
    - Remove fan belts and fan
    - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
necessary)
    - Remove alternator
    - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
    - Remove carb, tape over intake
    - Remove distributor
    - Unbolt headers at head
    - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton,
MSgt, USAFR, Retired
    - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
    - Put the engine on a stand
- Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
- Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
    - Remove the decklid
    - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt
radiator)
    - Drain engine oil
    - Drain ZF gear oil
    - Unhook fuel line and cork
    - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
    - Unhook all wiring, set aside
    - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
    - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
    - Remove A/C Condensor
    - Unhook headers
    - Unhook transmission linkage
    - Unhook transmission wiring
    - Unhook half-shafts
    - Remove clutch slave, set aside
    - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
- Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
    - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
    - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
    - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine,
otherwise.... more money)
- Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

But then.....
- I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB on
there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the Pantera
would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach I
engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
- I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but
I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it
work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
- If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting
doughnuts. (more money)
- If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system, ala
John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in the
engine bay)
- Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.

So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get that
darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and
"practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and
coveted my neighbors ponies.

Asa Jay    

& Shelley Marie

Spokane, WA

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On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).

 

Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor,
use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the
mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a
place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped something
big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels,
too.

 

Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 

 

Morally unemployed,

David in Durango

 

 

 

[1] next winter = appropriate economic time

----- Original Message ----- 

From:  <mailto:asajay at asajay.com> Asa Jay Laughton 

To:  <mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com> tpr at teampanteraracing.com 

Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM

Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
nnnnnnngh......
I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
It's winter........
I'm not driving the car......
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
Must.... resist.... temptation.

If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the
car and I can't have that.

must.... resist....

Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired

& Shelley Marie

Spokane, WA

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On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related>
&feature=related

 

just in case you've forgotten.

 

Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!

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From bob at radefeld.com  Sun Dec  4 10:40:33 2011
From: bob at radefeld.com (bob Radefeld)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 12:40:33 -0600
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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 Agreed Chuck!

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:

>  Dear Bob,****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
>                    In my opinion it is always a slippery slope and
> planning helps to keep you from ending up on the black slope with the
> moguls??.****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
>                                     Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* bob Radefeld [mailto:bob at radefeld.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:14 AM
> *To:* Charles Engles
> *Cc:* Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
>   ** **
>
> Dear Chuck,****
>
>  ****
>
> Weren't you one of the folks with advice regarding the "slippery slope"
> syndrome that so easily occurs when one pulls his engine? That certainly
> applied to me when my engine came out of my car & I've got a hunch it could
> very easily infect Asa if he swaps engines. If he can somehow "immunize"
> himself against this happening then YES, I would agree that swapping
> engines might allow for a smaller outlay of $$ for him. Personally,
> however, I would pull only the heads & be more assured that my chances of
> sliding were minimized to the max.........FWIW.****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> Bob ****
>
>  ****
>
>
>
>  ****
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:***
> *
>
> Dear Mr. Not Completely Stock Engine Owner,****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
>                   My biggest concern was with the lousy plastic timing
> gear and you?ve taken care of that.  I had forgotten about the two piece
> valves.  I think the best and most unpleasant comments on that are from JB
> and  Rowdy.   To paraphrase one of my favorite quotes for this situation:
> ?As long as nothing happens to the engine, there?s no danger.?****
>
>  ****
>
>                    Perhaps for the least financial cost, the Mustang
> engine transplant might the best deal.  You said that the biggest dollar
> cost would be adjusting or rebuilding the carb for it?s new situation in
> the Pantera.   You could put the Pantera engine on a stand and then??..put
> the Mustang on the proverbial back burner of ?when I get ?round tuit?
> and/or begin another engine build from those three re-builders you have for
> a Mustang powerplant.****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
>                                      Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> Fr*om:* tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [mailto:
> tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] *On Behalf Of *Asa Jay Laughton
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:52 PM
> *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com ****
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
>  ****
>
> Well the fact is there is nothing -wrong- with the stock engine -in- the
> Pantera right now.  Except for doomsayer's like John (no offense intended)
> who keep a tinge of doubt in my mind, I have no qualms about running this
> engine at 100 MPH for 90 miles.  It needs nothing right now other than an
> oil and filter change, well and maybe a new radiator (or rebuilt, I'm
> working on that).
>
> Granted, running it between WOT and full Brakes on the local track for 20
> minutes at a shot, or brutalizing it on an autocross course isn't the
> same.  Might it not survive 100 MPH for 90 miles?  Maybe.
>
> Two years ago I replaced all the valve stem keepers and valve stem seals.
> I've tuned it for no-knock on 92 Octane pump gas (of course it's a '73
> de-tuned engine anyway.)  It has a full-roller timing set (after the stock
> set went south).  Okay, so it's not strictly stock, like Brock Tella stock,
> okay?
>
> No worries though, I'm not about to spend a brazilian dollars on new parts
> for a new rebuild.  That comes secondary.  What the angst is about is
> whether to buy in to the idea the stock engine might grenade on course and
> instead run the engine I've built for the Mach I.  Details on that engine
> build are here:
> http://www.asajay.com/351rebuild/351rebuild.htm
>
> It's been running in the Mach I since 2001, just not been driven a whole
> lot.
>
> <sigh>  I just need new shocks/springs, a new radiator, wheels and tires,
> an oil and filter change and I'll be ready.  But I'll also listen to other
> advice.  What other reasons are there that my engine as it is might not
> make it 90 miles at 100 MPH?
>
> Asa Jay
>
>
> ****
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired****
>
> & Shelley Marie****
>
> Spokane, WA****
>
> ******************************     ****
>
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com****
>
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com****
>
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism****
>
>
> On 12/3/2011 5:35 PM,  Charles Engles wrote: ****
>
> Dear Asa,****
>
>  ****
>
>                  Ahem.  That should read:  * **John?s* email is filled
> with words of wisdom.   ****
>
>                                           My bad,  Chuck Engles****
>
> *From:* tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [
> mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com<tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com>
> ]* **On Behalf Of* Charles Engles
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
> *To:* 'John Bentley'; 'Asa Jay Laughton'; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
> Dear Asa,****
>
>                       John email is filled with words of wisdom.    ****
>
>  ****
>
>                                                  Warmest regards,  Chuck
> Engles****
>
> *From:* tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [
> mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com<tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com>
> ]* **On Behalf Of* John Bentley
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
> *To:* Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
> Asa,****
>
> You gotta stop this!  Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched
> engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!  Don't worry about
> the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and
> run the 100 MPH class.  Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it
> again. :)  My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way
> and if I waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack
> stands.****
>
> Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!*
> ***
>
> JB****
>
> *From:* Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> <asajay at asajay.com>
> *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
> You're excellency,
>
> There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The
> Pope.  The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian
> on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.  I have a refrigerator
> specifically designated for beer.  Although it's not normally stocked, it
> miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay.  And one
> of the natives has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.
>
> I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.  It's an
> original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.  Yes.... the
> more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something,
> which I sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and
> drive away.  So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the
> other... how cool would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed
> class, with the original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40
> years after it was made?  ...   WOW!
>
> The Mach I could sit without an engine.  I haven't actually driven it in
> -over- a year.  It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint.  But I
> just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me
> even further as to it's non-driven state.  That engine is -not- numbers
> matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.
>
> The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further
> forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.  It isn't a good
> candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly
> 80K miles on it or so.  I have three others stored that I could use for new
> rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again,
> the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.
>
> If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would
> most likely happen in January and would look something like this:
>
> - Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
> - Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
>     - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
>     - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
>     - Remove fan belts and fan
>     - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
> necessary)
>     - Remove alternator
>     - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
>     - Remove carb, tape over intake
>     - Remove distributor
>     - Unbolt headers at head
>     - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton,
> MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>     - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
>     - Put the engine on a stand
> - Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
> - Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
>     - Remove the decklid
>     - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt
> radiator)
>     - Drain engine oil
>     - Drain ZF gear oil
>     - Unhook fuel line and cork
>     - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
>     - Unhook all wiring, set aside
>     - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
>     - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
>     - Remove A/C Condensor
>     - Unhook headers
>     - Unhook transmission linkage
>     - Unhook transmission wiring
>     - Unhook half-shafts
>     - Remove clutch slave, set aside
>     - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
> - Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
>     - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
>     - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
>     - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine,
> otherwise.... more money)
> - Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)
>
> But then.....
> - I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.  The Carter AFB on
> there works, but not as optimally as it should.  The Holley from the
> Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach
> I engine.  Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
> - I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but
> I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it
> work.  Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
> - If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting
> doughnuts. (more money)
> - If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system,
> ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in
> the engine bay)
> - Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.
>
> So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.  But I get that
> darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and
> "practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.
>
> Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and
> coveted my neighbors ponies.
>
> Asa Jay    ****
>
> & Shelley Marie****
>
> Spokane, WA****
>
> ******************************     ****
>
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com****
>
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com****
>
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism****
>
>
> On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: ****
>
> So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?  Hot motor? (well, usable).****
>
>  ****
>
> Swap them out!  If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera
> motor, use it for the dream rebuild  "next winter" [1] and have some fun in
> the mean time.  I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he
> had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.  That way, if you dropped
> something big, you would have back up!  Hell, he might even deliver your
> new wheels, too.****
>
>  ****
>
> Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . ****
>
>  ****
>
> Morally unemployed,****
>
> David in Durango****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> [1] next winter = appropriate economic time****
>
> ----- Original Message ----- ****
>
> *From:* Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> ****
>
> *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com ****
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM****
>
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>
> The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
> The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
> nnnnnnngh......
> I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
> rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
> It's winter........
> I'm not driving the car......
> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
> Must.... resist.... temptation.
>
> If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for
> the car and I can't have that.
>
> must.... resist....
>
> Asa Jay****
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired****
>
> & Shelley Marie****
>
> Spokane, WA****
>
> ******************************     ****
>
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com****
>
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com****
>
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism****
>
>
> On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: ****
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related****
>
>  ****
>
> just in case you've forgotten.****
>
>  ****
>
> Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!****
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From teampantera at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  5 10:46:50 2011
From: teampantera at yahoo.com (Mad Dog Antenucci)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 10:46:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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And now for the dissenting opinion;

If you don't have millions of dollars falling out of your pocket like Chuck and others <grin> do.............remember mosty anything-Detroit iron that has 8 working cylinders that will get you BACK in the driver's seat of your Pantera is a good thing.?

I think waiting months or years doesn't work unless you just ain't man enough to go to the junkyard or to the Mustang and pull that engine you need....okay kidding here guys.....see lots of smiley faces :-) ;-) ;-) ;-)

But if youdon't want to drive the Pantera anymore then doing nothing will be okay too <more grins).....after all ain't you got lots of rain, snow and ice now??

Yea of course you do..... so best time to put in a ?'doner' engine until you have more bucks to work with is right now....that way come spring you are ready to drive the Pantera again.

PS I am still waiting for a sponsor to build my 1,000 HP twin turbo street engine for the Pantera ;-)


?
Mad Dawg Antenucci 
Team Pantera Racing 
The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing 
www.teampanteraracing.com


________________________________
 From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
To: 'Asa Jay Laughton' <asajay at asajay.com> 
Cc: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
 

Dear Asa,
?
?
????????????????? Why don?t you just build another engine over the winter and pop it into the Pantera???? Or??more economically, pull the Pantera engine and add new bearings on the lower end and bolt on some 4V heads with port stuffers plus a Funnelweb intake and a new cam??? The Pantera is important, but you wouldn?t want to sacrifice a perfectly good Mach I for a powerplant.
?
?
???????????????? ????????????????Warmest regards,? Chuck Engles
?
?
?
From:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Asa Jay Laughton
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 3:10 PM
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........

The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
nnnnnnngh......
I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
It's winter........
I'm not driving the car......
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
Must.... resist.... temptation.

If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for the car and I can't have that.

must.... resist....

Asa Jay


Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************???? 
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism

On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related
?
just in case you've forgotten.
?
Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
?
?
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From teampantera at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  5 10:47:57 2011
From: teampantera at yahoo.com (Mad Dog Antenucci)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 10:47:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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Isn't that what I just said?
Yea of course it is.....okay seriously this is the first time the Pope and I have agreed on anything <grin>
?
Mad Dawg Antenucci 
Team Pantera Racing 
The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing 
www.teampanteraracing.com


________________________________
 From: David in Durango <adin at frontier.net>
To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>; tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
 

So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?? Hot motor? (well, 
usable).
?
Swap them out!? If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera 
motor, use it for the dream rebuild? "next winter" [1] and have some fun in 
the mean time.? I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he 
had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.? That way, if you dropped 
something big, you would have back up!? Hell, he might even deliver your 
new wheels, too.
?
Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 
?
Morally unemployed,
David in Durango
?
?
?
[1] next winter = appropriate economic time
----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Asa Jay  Laughton 
>To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
>Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10  PM
>Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . .  . .
>
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>
>The more I -SIT- 
  here and dwell on it.....
>The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I 
  into the Pantera.....
>nnnnnnngh......
>I know I could have it done in a 
  couple weekends....
>rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
>It's winter........
>I'm 
  not driving the car......
>mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
>Must.... 
  resist.... temptation.
>
>If I take that engine out of the Mustang... 
  it'll be the death nell for the car and I can't have that.
>
>must.... 
  resist....
>
>Asa Jay
>
>Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>On 
  12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
> 
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related
>>?
>>just in case you've forgotten.
>>?
>>Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
>>
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From teampantera at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  5 10:52:04 2011
From: teampantera at yahoo.com (Mad Dog Antenucci)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 10:52:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
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STOP being a girl AJ and follow my advise....or that advise I got from Doc, JB and the Pope. ;-)
?
Mad Dawg Antenucci 
Team Pantera Racing 
The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing 
www.teampanteraracing.com


________________________________
 From: John Bentley <gndplne at yahoo.com>
To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>; "tpr at teampanteraracing.com" <tpr at teampanteraracing.com> 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
 

Asa,

You gotta stop this!? Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25!? Don't worry about the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and run the 100 MPH class.? Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it again. :)? My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way and if I waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack stands.


Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!


JB


________________________________
 From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
 

You're excellency,

There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for
    The Pope.? The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John
    Christian on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour.? I have a
    refrigerator specifically designated for beer.? Although it's not
    normally stocked, it miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop
    cloth comes to stay.? And one of the natives has a "Hut" always well
    stocked with pizza.

I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera.?
    It's an original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs.?
    Yes.... the more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on
    breaking something, which I sometimes have angst about.... until I
    climb in, fire it up and drive away.? So on the one hand, I really
    should swap it, but on the other... how cool would it be to complete
    the SSCC in a triple digit speed class, with the original numbers
    matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40 years after it was made??
    ...?? WOW!

The Mach I could sit without an engine.? I haven't actually driven
    it in -over- a year.? It's really in a sad state of bodywork and
    paint.? But I just know if it sits for -long- without an engine....
    it will depress me even further as to it's non-driven state.? That
    engine is -not- numbers matching and I could pretty much put it
    anywhere I want without any angst.

The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting
    further forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter.? It isn't
    a good candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time
    and has nearly 80K miles on it or so.? I have three others stored
    that I could use for new rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what
    condition they are in.... again, the Northwest PRI has no money for
    research at the moment.

If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it
    would most likely happen in January and would look something like
    this:

- Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
- Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
??? - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove
    radiator
??? - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
??? - Remove fan belts and fan
??? - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
    necessary)
??? - Remove alternator
??? - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
??? - Remove carb, tape over intake
??? - Remove distributor
??? - Unbolt headers at head
??? - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay
    Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
??? - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
??? - Put the engine on a stand
- Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
- Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
??? - Remove the decklid
??? - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or
    rebuilt radiator)
??? - Drain engine oil
??? - Drain ZF gear oil
??? - Unhook fuel line and cork
??? - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
??? - Unhook all wiring, set aside
??? - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
??? - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
??? - Remove A/C Condensor
??? - Unhook headers
??? - Unhook transmission linkage
??? - Unhook transmission wiring
??? - Unhook half-shafts
??? - Remove clutch slave, set aside
??? - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
- Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
??? - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
??? - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one
    (money)
??? - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are
    fine, otherwise.... more money)
- Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)

But then.....
- I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine.? The Carter
    AFB on there works, but not as optimally as it should.? The Holley
    from the Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the higher
    horsepower of the Mach I engine.? Do I rebuild and re-tune the
    Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
- I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the
    Pantera but I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine
    compartment to make it work.? Best to do that while the engine is
    out. (more money)
- If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber
    mounting doughnuts. (more money)
- If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling
    system, ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some
    creative work in the engine bay)
- Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being
    used.

So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical.? But I get
    that darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in
    my bones and "practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.

Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower
    and coveted my neighbors ponies.

Asa Jay ?? 



& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************     
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
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On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera?? Hot motor? (well, usable).
>?
>Swap them out!? If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera motor, use it for the dream rebuild? "next winter" [1] and have some fun in the mean time.? I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations.? That way, if you dropped something big, you would have back up!? Hell, he might even deliver your new wheels, too.
>?
>Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . 
>?
>Morally unemployed,
>David in Durango
>?
>?
>?
>[1] next winter = appropriate economic time
>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: Asa Jay Laughton 
>>To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
>>Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM
>>Subject: Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .
>>
>>
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>>
>>The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
>>The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the
        Pantera.....
>>nnnnnnngh......
>>I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
>>rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
>>It's winter........
>>I'm not driving the car......
>>mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
>>Must.... resist.... temptation.
>>
>>If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death
        nell for the car and I can't have that.
>>
>>must.... resist....
>>
>>Asa Jay
>>
>>Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>>On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: 
>> 
>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related
>>>?
>>>just in case you've forgotten.
>>>?
>>>Snow and low of 16 forecast for tonite!
>>>
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From teampantera at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  5 11:35:16 2011
From: teampantera at yahoo.com (Mad Dog Antenucci)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 11:35:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] Fw: Gone in less than 60 seconds: 11 luxury sports cars
	wrecked in expensive pileup (Note the Porsche comes through
	unscathed)
In-Reply-To: <0914DA31B943F049B5FF34B5A24F0343B96A3A3D9E@SLAXEXC76.lawa.org>
References: <0914DA31B943F049B5FF34B5A24F0343B96A3A3D9E@SLAXEXC76.lawa.org>
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Proof that Japanese drivers are out of control
?
Mad Dawg Antenucci 
Team Pantera Racing 
The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing 
www.teampanteraracing.com

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To: "teampantera at yahoo.com" <teampantera at yahoo.com> 
Sent: Monday, December 5, 2011 11:12 AM
Subject: Gone in less than 60 seconds: 11 luxury sports cars wrecked in expensive pileup (Note the Porsche comes through unscathed)
 
http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/05/9214237-gone-in-less-than-60-seconds-11-luxury-sports-cars-wrecked-in-expensive-pileup
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From michaelsavga at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 06:33:22 2011
From: michaelsavga at gmail.com (michael@michaelshortt.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:33:22 -0500
Subject: [TPR] FOR YOU TOOL NUTS...A NEW GAUGE
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  *FOR ALL of YOU TOOL NUTS  .....  *



  *I just bought this new gauge from Home Depot's Tool Dept.*

  *It takes a while to learn all the settings but I'm pretty handy*
  *and was patient, so I figured it out eventually.*

  *You know for sure with this gauge, there is no more guessing!*




  *Home Depot......A man's toy  store......... *










  *It's just so much fun to use. I really love it!!!*

  *A guy just can't own too many tools.*


















-- 







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From teampantera at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 24 09:16:44 2011
From: teampantera at yahoo.com (Mad Dog Antenucci)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 09:16:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] Merry Christmas - Racers Only
Message-ID: <1324747004.3439.YahooMailNeo@web121903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Racer Guys & Laurie (But no one else;-)

Merry Christmas amigo's!
Most of you should already have got ready for football playoffs back in midwest or right coast...your feet propped up on the sofa ready for the play offs.?

Was just thinking about our little dysfunctional group and wanted all of you to know I was thinking about all of you......

Love ya guys

Dawg
Team Pantera Racing
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From adin at frontier.net  Sat Dec 24 09:36:01 2011
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 10:36:01 -0700
Subject: [TPR] Merry Christmas - Racers Only
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Message-ID: <60C6D47AC0964749B1133BD347D4A32E@ZTxp>

Foot f__king ball?  What kind of a lame pat-me-on-the-ass thing is that???

I'll be in the garage, working on the Pantera.

Butt, Hope everyone has a safe, warm, and wonderful holiday.

http://images44.fotki.com/v1409/photos/4/43175/2747095/xmas88019-vi.jpg

Ho, Ho, Ho, pimp.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mad Dog Antenucci 
  To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 10:16 AM
  Subject: [TPR] Merry Christmas - Racers Only


  Racer Guys & Laurie (But no one else;-)


  Merry Christmas amigo's!
  Most of you should already have got ready for football playoffs back in midwest or right coast...your feet propped up on the sofa ready for the play offs. 


  Was just thinking about our little dysfunctional group and wanted all of you to know I was thinking about all of you......


  Love ya guys


  Dawg
  Team Pantera Racing




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From teampantera at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 24 09:47:05 2011
From: teampantera at yahoo.com (Mad Dog Antenucci)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 09:47:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TPR] Merry Christmas - Racers Only
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Awsome!
And your right homey.....I forgot! ?And Iforget not everyone is basking in 70-75F blue skys and sunshine!?
I'm gonna be DRIVING today and espially tomorrow morning...wake up call for neighbors.

Off to beach.

Dawg

________________________________
 From: David in Durango <adin at frontier.net>
To: Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>; tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [TPR] Merry Christmas - Racers Only
 

 
Foot f__king ball?? What kind of a lame pat-me-on-the-ass thing is 
that???
?
I'll be in the garage, working on the Pantera.
?
Butt, Hope everyone has a safe, warm, and wonderful holiday.
?
http://images44.fotki.com/v1409/photos/4/43175/2747095/xmas88019-vi.jpg
?
Ho, Ho, Ho, pimp.
----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Mad Dog  Antenucci 
>To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
>Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 10:16  AM
>Subject: [TPR] Merry Christmas - Racers  Only
>
>
>Racer Guys & Laurie (But no one else;-)
>
>
>Merry Christmas amigo's!
>Most of you should already have got ready for football playoffs back in  midwest or right coast...your feet propped up on the sofa ready for the play  offs.?
>
>
>Was just thinking about our little dysfunctional group and wanted all of  you to know I was thinking about all of you......
>
>
>Love ya guys
>
>
>Dawg
>Team Pantera Racing
>
>
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